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Re: Time distortion [Re: MattMVS7]
#23836944 - 11/15/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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MattMVS7 said: I think I understand now. I see it is not literally like years, months, or many lifetimes have passed as I've described. It is instead how you've described it. So that makes me much less worried now. But let's pretend that it really was like how I've described it, then wouldn't you agree that only an insane person would take the risk of undergoing a horrible trip that would literally last that long? Wouldn't you agree that hardly, if anyone, would even bother taking a psychedelic knowing this horrible risk?
My 2nd question here is, you say that the horrible experiences during a trip or a horrendous nde are simply psychologically difficult experiences that are not that horrible, but I have had horrible experiences in nightmare induced by depression and traumatic experiences in my life.
The experiences in these nightmares were far beyond horrible. They were nothing normal at all. So my 2nd worry is that such horrible experiences can be experienced during a horrible nde. To have these experiences fully conscious and aware of them would be far worse than my nightmares. Especially if such experiences are more intense than my nightmares.
Horrible and hellish ndes do happen to some people regardless of what mindstate they are in. People who have these experiences do experience the time alterations that people who take psychedelics do.
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numnum59 said: I think relatively you could feel like your in hell for eternity. My wife is prone to bad trips and she said her last one was forever long. Also i have felt so trippy i never thought i was coming down.
The previous poster above I quoted said that this vast time duration is not literal. So I wish to know the actual answer here. I wish to know who is telling the truth. Or does your post actually agree with the previous poster above and that I am just mistaken? Some previous posters here have said that the time dilation is, in fact, literal.
What does science say? Does it say that my interpretation (the literal interpretation) is wrong and does not apply to anybody who takes a drug or has an nde? Or does it actually apply to some people? Has anyone experienced a trip or nde according to my literal view of time dilation? Or was it instead how the previous poster above I quoted described it?
No it most definitely feels literal. Again it's affecting your perception the way your brain actually perceives time because it is changing activity in the prefrontal cortex. I remember the first time I had mushrooms when I was 16 I remember I ate them at exactly 12 noon and the period of time from 3:00 to 3:01 p.m. I'm not even kidding actually felt like multiple hours. Not just one hour but multiple hours it was crazy. However I was also having ego death at the time and...yea well imo when you have true ego death you don't even have the ability to have thoughts so ya when it happened to me that first time I wasn't having a bad time because I couldn't even have thoughts I was just awareness and nothing else.
It can LITERALLY feel like days or years or eternity but notice how when describing that one mushroom trip earlier I thought to myself that "it felt like weeks" even though "realistically it maybe felt like just a few days.. Notice how I can't pinpoint an exact time frame..because there isn't one. What I perceived that particular night cannot be witnessed or perceived in this world or the third dimension whatever you want to call it. The amount of time I felt pass by literally was indescribable that's why I and other people say it felt like days or hours or years because that's the closest thing we can compare it to that's not exactly how it felt. These states of mind are incomprehensible to even those who have gone through them, there's no way you'll be able to even begin to understand unless you experience it first hand yourself and even then you wont really understand it you'll just know that it's possible and you'll be satisfied with just that and feel more content and somehow grateful in a kind of unexplainable way.
You should definitely try psychedelics and see what I mean imo it's a fantastic loving experience and it really makes you think and reevaluate and see the bigger picture and the magic that you didn't know was there. There really is a magic in the world and the tryptamines expose this.
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MattMVS7 said: I think I understand now. I see it is not literally like years, months, or many lifetimes have passed as I've described. It is instead how you've described it. So that makes me much less worried now. But let's pretend that it really was like how I've described it, then wouldn't you agree that only an insane person would take the risk of undergoing a horrible trip that would literally last that long? Wouldn't you agree that hardly, if anyone, would even bother taking a psychedelic knowing this horrible risk?
My 2nd question here is, you say that the horrible experiences during a trip or a horrendous nde are simply psychologically difficult experiences that are not that horrible, but I have had horrible experiences in nightmare induced by depression and traumatic experiences in my life.
The experiences in these nightmares were far beyond horrible. They were nothing normal at all. So my 2nd worry is that such horrible experiences can be experienced during a horrible nde. To have these experiences fully conscious and aware of them would be far worse than my nightmares. Especially if such experiences are more intense than my nightmares.
Horrible and hellish ndes do happen to some people regardless of what mindstate they are in. People who have these experiences do experience the time alterations that people who take psychedelics do.
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numnum59 said: I think relatively you could feel like your in hell for eternity. My wife is prone to bad trips and she said her last one was forever long. Also i have felt so trippy i never thought i was coming down.
The previous poster above I quoted said that this vast time duration is not literal. So I wish to know the actual answer here. I wish to know who is telling the truth. Or does your post actually agree with the previous poster above and that I am just mistaken? Some previous posters here have said that the time dilation is, in fact, literal.
What does science say? Does it say that my interpretation (the literal interpretation) is wrong and does not apply to anybody who takes a drug or has an nde? Or does it actually apply to some people? Has anyone experienced a trip or nde according to my literal view of time dilation? Or was it instead how the previous poster above I quoted described it?
No it most definitely feels literal. Again it's affecting your perception the way your brain actually perceives time because it is changing activity in the prefrontal cortex. I remember the first time I had mushrooms when I was 16 I remember I ate them at exactly 12 noon and the period of time from 3:00 to 3:01 p.m. I'm not even kidding actually felt like multiple hours. Not just one hour but multiple hours it was crazy. However I was also having ego death at the time and...yea well imo when you have true ego death you don't even have the ability to have thoughts so ya when it happened to me that first time I wasn't having a bad time because I couldn't even have thoughts I was just awareness and nothing else.
It can LITERALLY feel like days or years or eternity but notice how when describing that one mushroom trip earlier I thought to myself that "it felt like weeks" even though "realistically it maybe felt like just a few days.. Notice how I can't pinpoint an exact time frame..because there isn't one. What I perceived that particular night cannot be witnessed or perceived in this world or the third dimension whatever you want to call it. The amount of time I felt pass by literally was indescribable that's why I and other people say it felt like days or hours or years because that's the closest thing we can compare it to that's not exactly how it felt. These states of mind are incomprehensible to even those who have gone through them, there's no way you'll be able to even begin to understand unless you experience it first hand yourself and even then you wont really understand it you'll just know that it's possible and you'll be satisfied with just that and feel more content and somehow grateful in a kind of unexplainable way.
You should definitely try psychedelics and see what I mean imo it's a fantastic loving experience and it really makes you think and reevaluate and see the bigger picture and the magic that you didn't know was there. There really is a magic in the world and the tryptamines expose this.
Thanks for the suggestion, but my real concern here is that you said earlier that the immense amount of time that is experienced for a person who has a trip or nde is an amount of time that passes easily. You said it literally is like experiencing many years or many lifetimes passing by, but that this time passes easily and is not like how you would experience that amount of time here in this reality.
If you were to experience that amount of time here in your normal waking reality while living a life of grievous torment and suffering, then it would be an unbearable amount of time. But if you were to have a horrible tormenting experience during a bad trip or nde, then would that same amount of time no longer be unbearable since it would easily pass?
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My 2nd question here is, you say that the horrible experiences during a trip or a horrendous nde are simply psychologically difficult experiences that are not that horrible, but I have had horrible experiences in nightmare induced by depression and traumatic experiences in my life.
The experiences in these nightmares were far beyond horrible. They were nothing normal at all. So my 2nd worry is that such horrible experiences can be experienced during a horrible nde. To have these experiences fully conscious and aware of them would be far worse than my nightmares. Especially if such experiences are more intense than my nightmares.
Wait so you're comparing nightmares to psychedelics trips and NDEs? Like actual nightmares? Well ya that's obviously going to be nightmarish because...it's..a nightmare..
What are you saying exactly? Because nightmares feel hellish you think that can happen on trips and NDEs as well? Psychedelic trips and NDEs are very very different from anything like that man I can assure you. Psychedelic trips and NDEs are completely orthogonal to the human mind and the human world, they're otherworldly and completely unreferent to the ocean of commercially produced imagery in which we swim.
And when you say NDEs are you referring to real ones where people actually clinically die and then come back to life or are you just talking about near death experiences with psychedelics like the DMT Flash and high doses of Mushrooms and Ayahuasca?
Most bad trips are not hellish and even when they are they are typically much different usually not even comparable to nightmares but it does depend on the substance. But even my personal hellish trip like my last one with LSD I found it to be for the better and overall found it healing.
I've obviously never felt any sort of good or healing come out of nightmares or weird shit like that. Then again I've never really had that many nightmares in my life but I just find them and dreams in general to just be in a totally different category.
On psychedelics trips you're being taught lessons and are picking up on the intentions of the universe and all organic matter all while exploring the depths of your consciousness but in nightmares your subconscious is giving you just a kind of shit show or freaky reflection or who knows. It's much more familiar to the human experiences either way. Bad trips on psychedelics do not feel like scary movies lol.
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Re: Time distortion [Re: MattMVS7]
#23836982 - 11/15/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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MattMVS7 said: Thanks for the suggestion, but my real concern here is that you said earlier that the immense amount of time that is experienced for a person who has a trip or nde is an amount of time that passes easily. You said it literally is like experiencing many years or many lifetimes passing by, but that this time passes easily and is not like how you would experience that amount of time here in this reality.
If you were to experience that amount of time here in your normal waking reality while living a life of grievous torment and suffering, then it would be an unbearable amount of time. But if you were to have a horrible tormenting experience during a bad trip or nde, then would that same amount of time no longer be unbearable since it would easily pass?
I don't think so man. I never hear about that happening. If you have a bad trip it's unlikely you'll be complaining about time distortion you'll probably just be too busy thinking about how shitty of a person you are or how shitty your environment is. I've seen and heard about tons of bad trips but never anyone who got "trapped" in an eternal hell hole or a bad trip that "felt like days" usually when people are having these kinds of heavy distortions they're usually too amazed or preoccupied to even have a bad trip.
When taking psychedelics believe me time distortion shouldn't be one of your main worries.
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MattMVS7 said: Thanks for the suggestion, but my real concern here is that you said earlier that the immense amount of time that is experienced for a person who has a trip or nde is an amount of time that passes easily. You said it literally is like experiencing many years or many lifetimes passing by, but that this time passes easily and is not like how you would experience that amount of time here in this reality.
If you were to experience that amount of time here in your normal waking reality while living a life of grievous torment and suffering, then it would be an unbearable amount of time. But if you were to have a horrible tormenting experience during a bad trip or nde, then would that same amount of time no longer be unbearable since it would easily pass?
I don't think so man. I never hear about that happening. If you have a bad trip it's unlikely you'll be complaining about time distortion you'll probably just be to busy thinking about how shitty of a person you are or how shitty your environment is. I've seen and heard about tons of bad trips but never anyone who got "trapped" in an eternal hell hole or a bad trip that "felt like days" usually when people are having these kinds of heavy distortions they're usually to amazed or preoccupied to even have a bad trip.
When taking psychedelics believe me time distortion shouldn't be one of your main worries.
So you say there is no reason to worry about any given amount of time that is experienced during a bad trip or nde. So that would be your view. I wonder if this view is true for everyone else though. In other words, I will get answers from others here as well. I will see if years, lifetimes, or longer seemed to pass easily for them during their bad trips/ndes and/or if such a vast length of time was not unbearable at all unlike this normal waking reality in which such a length of time to undergo horrible suffering would simply be unbearable.
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Re: Time distortion [Re: MattMVS7]
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MattMVS7 said: So you say there is no reason to worry about any given amount of time that is experienced during a bad trip or nde.
Once again still not sure if you mean a real near death experience or not but whatever and ya, I guess just see what others say because I personally have not had a moment of eternity or any significant time dilation whilst also having a bad trip.
Usually bad trips are experienced when someone is still in this world and thinking somewhat normally so there's usually not a whole lot of time dilation going on at that point. During the periods of time dilation there usually isn't a whole lot of thinking going on or good/bad. I mean psychedelics are kinda like a "in the moment" thing anyways so even if a bad trip feels like an abnormally long time that's not usually what bothers you about it.
It's too hard to explain, you'll honestly never even begin to understand unless you experience it yourself because when time changes on a psychedelic trip it's not like anything from normal reality or that you can relate to the real world which is why we use similes such as "like an eternity" or "like days". So yes literal but at the same time not really. I know that's not the answer you want to hear but its the truth and you'd never be able to understand without going through it first hand.
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MattMVS7 said: So you say there is no reason to worry about any given amount of time that is experienced during a bad trip or nde.
Once again still not sure if you mean a real near death experience or not but whatever and ya, I guess just see what others say because I personally have not had a moment of eternity or any significant time dilation whilst also having a bad trip.
Usually bad trips are experienced when someone is still in this world and thinking somewhat normally so there's usually not a whole lot of time dilation going on at that point. During the periods of time dilation there usually isn't a whole lot of thinking going on or good/bad. I mean psychedelics are kinda like a "in the moment" thing anyways so even if a bad trip feels like an abnormally long time that's not usually what bothers you about it.
It's too hard to explain, you'll honestly never even begin to understand unless you experience it yourself because when time changes on a psychedelic trip it's not like anything from normal reality that you can relate to the real world which is why we use similes such as "like an eternity" or "like days". So yes literal but at the same time not.
As for anyone who has had a blissful trip or real nde who claimed that said trip/nde lasted many years, lifetimes, or centuries, did anyone ever grow bored, tired, or even mad of such an experience since it lasted so long for them? Or was that amount of time nothing unbearable at all to them?
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Re: Time distortion [Re: MattMVS7]
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MattMVS7 said: As for anyone who has had a blissful trip or real nde who claimed that said trip/nde lasted many years, lifetimes, or centuries, did anyone ever grow bored, tired, or even mad of such an experience since it lasted so long for them? Or was that amount of time nothing unbearable at all to them?
I edited my last comment btw but NO
You do not get bored or tired of it or anything I promise you it's not like watching a lifetime go by in real life. That would suck.
It feels like a lifetime or years but like I said it doesn't change your perspective only your PERCEPTION so it's not affecting your attitudes about what's going on it's only affecting the way your brain treats time.
I can't explain it it's honestly ineffable so you just have to understand that unless you do it yourself you'll never understand. You do not get bored because like I said you don't have problem with eternities passing or it feeling like days went by. The feeling is not something that can be explained or understood.
Like I said 12 hours of tripping with no time distortion at all often feels more strenuous and "boring" than a hour or 2 hour trip that feels like an eternity. It's confusing af so no need to try to wrap your head around it because you wont be able to especially without even touching a psychedelic.
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Re: Time distortion [Re: MattMVS7]
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This vid might be able to help you out slightly
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MattMVS7 said: As for anyone who has had a blissful trip or real nde who claimed that said trip/nde lasted many years, lifetimes, or centuries, did anyone ever grow bored, tired, or even mad of such an experience since it lasted so long for them? Or was that amount of time nothing unbearable at all to them?
I edited my last comment btw but NO
You do not get bored or tired of it or anything I promise you it's not like watching a lifetime go by in real life. That would suck.
It feels like a lifetime or years but like I said it doesn't change your perspective only your PERCEPTION so it's not affecting your attitudes about what's going on it's only affecting the way your brain treats time.
I can't explain it it's honestly ineffable so you just have to understand that unless you do it yourself you'll never understand. You do not get bored because like I said you don't have problem with eternities passing or it feeling like days went by. The feeling is not something that can be explained or understood.
Like I said 12 hours of tripping with no time distortion at all often feels more strenuous and "boring" than a hour or 2 hour trip that feels like an eternity. It's confusing af so no need to try to wrap your head around it because you wont be able to especially without even touching a psychedelic.
In dreams, I don't think you grow bored or tired of the amount of time. Even if your dream lasted for many lifetimes, it would just simply be a matter of dreaming that whole entire time. You would still experience all of that time, but the duration of time would not become unbearable or make you bored and/or insane. All of the images, sensations, and perceptions would just simply be streaming. So is that what time dilation is like during a trip or an nde? I think I might have actually gotten an idea of what it is like, or am I still mistaken and it is still completely different?
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Re: Time distortion [Re: MattMVS7]
#23838218 - 11/16/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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MattMVS7 said: In dreams, I don't think you grow bored or tired of the amount of time. Even if your dream lasted for many lifetimes, it would just simply be a matter of dreaming that whole entire time. You would still experience all of that time, but the duration of time would not become unbearable or make you bored and/or insane. All of the images, sensations, and perceptions would just simply be streaming. So is that what time dilation is like during a trip or an nde? I think I might have actually gotten an idea of what it is like, or am I still mistaken and it is still completely different?
ha I don't know man I don't even remember dreams afterwards and they're nothing even close to tripping I cannot stress that enough. The only thing I know about dreams is that dream time feels quite different from real life time like longer and I think they even talk about this in the movie Inception.. I remember several years ago I fell asleep with headphones in my ear and there was a Andre Nickatina song that started playing but I was..still asleep but I could hear it in the dream except in the dream they were blaring out of speakers and I couldn't turn them off and couldn't figure out why I couldn't turn them off lol 
Anyways the start of the next song woke me up but that first initial Nickatina song that played all the way through my dream was only like 3 or 4 minutes long however my dream felt like 20 minutes long.. It felt like I was trying to shut the song off for like 15 or 20 minutes lol.
But regardless I rarely ever remember dreams and when I do time distortion is never a thing that comes to mind or that I remember even happening. The feeling you get from dreams is just so different and so completely incomparable. I would suggest you stop trying to think of it that way and stop comparing it to dreams and try something else instead because it is nothing like dreaming.
The only thing you can compare to psychedelic trips imo are spiritual/mystical experiences and traveling. Traveling is the only "real world" thing that I can think of that compares to tripping on psychedelics.
It does not feel like drugs and it does not feel like dreaming which is what I think a lot of people assume it's like. Oh yea and it's not like cartoons either or that stupid colorful shit you see on magazines.
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The brain and mind are an amazing combination that we basically know next to nothing about. To prove my point just minimally, are you awake or dreaming? How can you say for absolute certainty? You can't. I definitely can't because I have had dreams within dreams within dreams where I would "wake up" from one only to find myself in another dream, then I "wake up" from that one and into another, only to wake up into my current reality. Am I dreaming now? I don't think so, but it's entirely possible.
I have had many dreams where I was sure I was awake only to find I was dreaming. Often the question came as a last resort to get out of some jam or another. The thing is though in dreams I may ask myself the question am I dreaming? But never once in real life outside of a dream have I ever asked myself this question.
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Re: Time distortion [Re: wolf8312]
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My mom used to tell me to pinch myself if i thought i might be dreaming. You wouldnt feel the pain in a dream but you would if u were awake.
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Re: Time distortion [Re: numnum59]
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Yeah I use that method too then I jump through a window smashing through the glass and fly!
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MattMVS7 said: In dreams, I don't think you grow bored or tired of the amount of time. Even if your dream lasted for many lifetimes, it would just simply be a matter of dreaming that whole entire time. You would still experience all of that time, but the duration of time would not become unbearable or make you bored and/or insane. All of the images, sensations, and perceptions would just simply be streaming. So is that what time dilation is like during a trip or an nde? I think I might have actually gotten an idea of what it is like, or am I still mistaken and it is still completely different?
ha I don't know man I don't even remember dreams afterwards and they're nothing even close to tripping I cannot stress that enough. The only thing I know about dreams is that dream time feels quite different from real life time like longer and I think they even talk about this in the movie Inception.. I remember several years ago I fell asleep with headphones in my ear and there was a Andre Nickatina song that started playing but I was..still asleep but I could hear it in the dream except in the dream they were blaring out of speakers and I couldn't turn them off and couldn't figure out why I couldn't turn them off lol 
Anyways the start of the next song woke me up but that first initial Nickatina song that played all the way through my dream was only like 3 or 4 minutes long however my dream felt like 20 minutes long.. It felt like I was trying to shut the song off for like 15 or 20 minutes lol.
But regardless I rarely ever remember dreams and when I do time distortion is never a thing that comes to mind or that I remember even happening. The feeling you get from dreams is just so different and so completely incomparable. I would suggest you stop trying to think of it that way and stop comparing it to dreams and try something else instead because it is nothing like dreaming.
The only thing you can compare to psychedelic trips imo are spiritual/mystical experiences and traveling. Traveling is the only "real world" thing that I can think of that compares to tripping on psychedelics.
It does not feel like drugs and it does not feel like dreaming which is what I think a lot of people assume it's like. Oh yea and it's not like cartoons either or that stupid colorful shit you see on magazines.
So just to be clear one last time, the time dilation that is experienced during trips or ndes whether it be many lifetimes or millenniums, you are saying it is absolutely nothing like how we would experience that passage of time here in our normal waking reality in which it would be an unbearable amount of time that would drive us bored, tormented, or insane? That there is just simply no way to explain it and that the only way for me to know is to experience it for myself through a drug trip or nde?
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Re: Time distortion [Re: MattMVS7]
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MattMVS7 said: So just to be clear one last time, the time dilation that is experienced during trips or ndes whether it be many lifetimes or millenniums, you are saying it is absolutely nothing like how we would experience that passage of time here in our normal waking reality in which it would be an unbearable amount of time that would drive us bored, tormented, or insane? That there is just simply no way to explain it and that the only way for me to know is to experience it for myself through a drug trip or nde?
Yep, pretty much exactly that.
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Yes, I agree. I have experienced severe time dilation (including during a bad trip) and it is just not anything that can be described very well by relating it to normal human experience.
But to say what I can from my point of view: I think the way psychedelics mess with memory has a lot to do with it. On a strong trip you do not perceive sequentiality of events in a normal way, or necessarily at all. Sometimes you simply aren't aware that there was ever anything but the present moment, which then feels like it has lasted your entire life thus far. Sometimes you can stare at a clock and hold an entire conversation with your friends between ticks of the second hand, which confuses you because you know on some level that that's impossible, but is nevertheless the perceived experience. Or sometimes chunks of your recent or remote past (maybe all of it) are suddenly relived/remembered all in a big lump and seem to take the entire length of time to happen that they originally did, and then you blink and you're back in the middle of that same conversation. All of these suggest to me a common thread of memory going haywire.
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Re: Time distortion [Re: candry]
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Id say time dilation on shrooms is like when your playing a good video game and you look at the clock and an hour or two has gone by but it only feels like a few minutes
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Re: Time distortion [Re: numnum59]
#23839794 - 11/16/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck joe rogan mentioned this shit in a podcast i heard recently. I wish i could remember it.
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Eclipse3130
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Re: Time distortion [Re: numnum59]
#23839799 - 11/16/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Time is an illusion lol, I've had time move backwards. Time as you know it on the wall is nothing but a human construct - to travel in time is to travel in space - the future, past and present are all existing within the same moment.
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
Edited by Eclipse3130 (11/16/16 07:12 PM)
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