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Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right
    #23832872 - 11/14/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am in the process of making some mescaline using the alcohol sit and soak tek...

This is my second time doing this.  2 weeks ago, I used 24" of cuttings and ended up with 46g of dried powder.

This time, I am using 48" of cuttings and it looks like I'm going to end up with about 50g of dried powder.

How the fuck is this possible?  These cuttings were similar in thickness, if not more thick, yet I'm only going to get 4g more than I did 2 weeks ago????  I honestly thought I was going to end up with closer to 100-120g of dried powder.

Does the exterior skin (the part that looks like scotch tape when it's removed) weigh a considerable amount?  The reason I ask is because i DID NOT remove much of it during the last extraction but I removed 100% of it this time.

And would it matter to the final weight if these cuttings got 95% dry and then moist again before being fully dried?  It's a long story on why/how that happened so I'll spare you the details, but could this affect the final weight?


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23833132 - 11/14/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Exterior skin would weigh a significant amount. YES, moisture will be a factor. Post results.


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23833149 - 11/14/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That explains why my last trip was so underwhelming then.  If I thought i was eating tar from 46g of powder, it was likely closer to 25g of powder with actual medicine in it.

Results of what?  The trip? 


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23833194 - 11/14/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes the trip, but it seems like a very mild one, but still you got results!. I was really happy to know my cactus from home depot is a legit psych cactus! I'll harvest skin again soon. Anyone know the best time to harvest cacti? I'm going for 50grams next time. I may just get 100grams and try an a/b extraction.:shrug: I do like the thought of getting all the alkaloids from the crude extract. I need to get both and then experiment from those.:grin:


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23833227 - 11/14/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

how much was the home depot cactus and how long was it when you purchased?


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23833249 - 11/14/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

it was around 15 bucks and it was already a foot or more tall. It was also labeled "Peruvian Torch".:grin: It's almost to my shoulders now again. It grows about 2-3 feet (give or take) a year.


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23834141 - 11/14/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The skin (scotch tape like and clear) weighs very little. Didnt you notice that when you removed it? The dark green flesh just below the skin is where the highest concentration of alkaloids is found. If you removed any of the dark green flesh with the skin then you lost a lot of alkaloids in the process. You know my thoughs on this whole extraction thing. Are you saying you used 4 feet of bridgesii and are ending up with a small amount of alkaloids? Dude just eat a 12 inch cutting and stop wasting so much good plant material with these crazy teks.


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23834446 - 11/15/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The skin (scotch tape like and clear) weighs very little. Didnt you notice that when you removed it? The dark green flesh just below the skin is where the highest concentration of alkaloids is found. If you removed any of the dark green flesh with the skin then you lost a lot of alkaloids in the process. You know my thoughs on this whole extraction thing. Are you saying you used 4 feet of bridgesii and are ending up with a small amount of alkaloids? Dude just eat a 12 inch cutting and stop wasting so much good plant material with these crazy teks.




No I did not weigh the scotch tape skin when I removed it. And I was very careful when removing it so that I left the green skin in tact.

I have no idea how much alkaloids remain, all I'm saying is that I am very surprised in the dried weight from 48" of cuttings. Especially compared to 2 weeks ago when I used only 24" of cuttings.

i can't just eat a foot of cactus straight up...my body would reject it and puke it all back up

Props to you and others that can


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23834498 - 11/15/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Swim never remotes the outer waxy skin because removing skin from hundreds of feet wold take forever in fact spines are not removed either.  Just chop, dehydrate, turn it to powder in food processer, then proceed to STB or A/B.  Occasionally the white flesh and core will be seperated from green flesh and bagged in its own bags for a bulk white/core extract. Yields have always been good depending on potency of cut.


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23834523 - 11/15/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Swim never remotes the outer waxy skin because removing skin from hundreds of feet wold take forever in fact spines are not removed either.  Just chop, dehydrate, turn it to powder in food processer, then proceed to STB or A/B.  Occasionally the white flesh and core will be seperated from green flesh and bagged in its own bags for a bulk white/core extract. Yields have always been good depending on potency of cut.




How many dried grams do you typically get from a 12" of cutting?
And can you point me in the right direction for an STB or A/B extract?  Need to make a decision soon because I want to trip 10 days from now which means I need to start the sit and soak tek soon unless I;m going to try a different method


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23834926 - 11/15/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't fuck with pedro, buy some bridgesii for proper lift off.

Regarding columnar cacti, I have had torch, pedro, and bridge.

Bridge was best every time.:thumbup:


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: Lucis]
    #23835106 - 11/15/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Never bothered to weigh 12", cacti is 90+% water though (read somewhere 93.5%). When someone has hundreds of feet to cut and dehydrate they tend to just weigh dry bulk since the wet weight isn't all that important once they dry it for processing.
Stb/A/B generally require strong bases, acids, and flammable solvents, though there are 'food grade teks' that do not require as harsh of chemicals.  Pick one and follow the steps.  But if the alcohol tek is giving you this much trouble you probably shouldn't attempt a more advanced tek without adult supervision and knowledge of what is going on in the glassware.  NAOH, KOH, HCL, H2SO4 will burn you, blind you, potentially mixing other things with these substances will produces deadly vapors. Hydrocarbon based solvents will evaporate and with a high enough concentration of vapor to air ratio it will form an explosive atmosphere.  Accidents do happen.


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23835491 - 11/15/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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i can't just eat a foot of cactus straight up...my body would reject it and puke it all back up




Its really not that bad. Shrooms are nastier. Its just a lot of material with cactus. But if you fast for 12 hours beforehand and chase each swallow with ice cold lemonade i bet you can do it. The cold lemonade really takes the taste away.


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23835947 - 11/15/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well what's done is done.  I already powdered it up and its soaking in ever clear right now...I still can't comprehend by 48" weighs 50g dried but 24" weighed 46g dried.

Hopefully I trip but hopefully it's not too intense because I'm planning on eating all of the tar that the 48" will produce


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23835981 - 11/15/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well what's done is done.  I already powdered it up and its soaking in ever clear right now...I still can't comprehend by 48" weighs 50g dried but 24" weighed 46g dried.

Hopefully I trip but hopefully it's not too intense because I'm planning on eating all of the tar that the 48" will produce



:thumbup::thumbup: let us know how it goes! I really need to start my bridgesii seeds.:grin:


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23836107 - 11/15/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Never bothered to weigh 12", cacti is 90+% water though (read somewhere 93.5%). When someone has hundreds of feet to cut and dehydrate they tend to just weigh dry bulk since the wet weight isn't all that important once they dry it for processing.
Stb/A/B generally require strong bases, acids, and flammable solvents, though there are 'food grade teks' that do not require as harsh of chemicals.  Pick one and follow the steps.  But if the alcohol tek is giving you this much trouble you probably shouldn't attempt a more advanced tek without adult supervision and knowledge of what is going on in the glassware.  NAOH, KOH, HCL, H2SO4 will burn you, blind you, potentially mixing other things with these substances will produces deadly vapors. Hydrocarbon based solvents will evaporate and with a high enough concentration of vapor to air ratio it will form an explosive atmosphere.  Accidents do happen.




I'll give this a shot on the next one.  I recently extracted DMT myself and managed to do that properly and not injure or kill myself in the process so I think I can handle some of the methods you mention above.


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23854928 - 11/21/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I am in the process of making some mescaline using the alcohol sit and soak tek...

This is my second time doing this.  2 weeks ago, I used 24" of cuttings and ended up with 46g of dried powder.

This time, I am using 48" of cuttings and it looks like I'm going to end up with about 50g of dried powder.

How the fuck is this possible?  These cuttings were similar in thickness, if not more thick, yet I'm only going to get 4g more than I did 2 weeks ago????  I honestly thought I was going to end up with closer to 100-120g of dried powder.

Does the exterior skin (the part that looks like scotch tape when it's removed) weigh a considerable amount?  The reason I ask is because i DID NOT remove much of it during the last extraction but I removed 100% of it this time.

And would it matter to the final weight if these cuttings got 95% dry and then moist again before being fully dried?  It's a long story on why/how that happened so I'll spare you the details, but could this affect the final weight?




Ok I'm not as concerned with my dried weight as I was before.  I'm currently on my 4th pull and it's nearly as dark as the 1st pull.

A few weeks ago when I used 24" of bridgesii (currently doing 48") the alcohol was pretty clear on pull #3. 

So while this extraction is using nearly the same dried weight of powder that I used a few weeks ago, I think I'm going to end up getting nearly double the amount of tar.

Whatever extracted tar I do end up with, I'm planning on taking about ¾ of it in one sitting...which should be Thursday or Friday of this week.


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23854947 - 11/21/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:thaaannks: cool, I am thinking I could have pulled more out of my skins now. The alcohol was still pretty dark after the 4th pull, but I ate it anyway. Still got a GREAT trip on it. Noted.


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23886212 - 12/01/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So did you do it on thanksgiving or the day after? I feel like the latter would be one of those glorious perfect times to take an intense journey! How was it, good (non-gender-binding-pronoun)?


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Re: Disappointed in final dried weight...somethings not right [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23886217 - 12/01/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The weekend before thanksgiving. I may harvest more soon. This specimen I have is growing pretty fast. Maybe a foot a year or more.:grin:


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