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Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet?
    #23835159 - 11/15/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

One is 90% colonized the other is about 75%. I have a mini mono-tub, coir, verm and all the other shit i need. Will be using damions elementary coir tek.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23835160 - 11/15/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No... 75 and 90 are not 100% last time I checked
Also just fruit cakes as cakes. You won't be increasing yield enough for it to be worth an extra step


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23835181 - 11/15/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
No... 75 and 90 are not 100% last time I checked




Teach me those math skills!


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One is 90% colonized the other is about 75%. I have a mini mono-tub, coir, verm and all the other shit i need. Will be using damions elementary coir tek.




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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23835195 - 11/15/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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No... 75 and 90 are not 100% last time I checked
Also just fruit cakes as cakes. You won't be increasing yield enough for it to be worth an extra step



Iv'e seen many reports of people using damions tek with brf and it definitely yields a lot more than cakes.
Spawning cakes to coir provides more nutrients to them and essentially (note the word essentially) combines the two cakes and coir into one large "cake" after the mycelium colonizes all of it Therefore yielding in more.

Is any of that wrong?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15898530
this isn't damions tek but is stil bulk https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15898530[/url]


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23835197 - 11/15/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
No... 75 and 90 are not 100% last time I checked




Teach me those math skills!


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One is 90% colonized the other is about 75%. I have a mini mono-tub, coir, verm and all the other shit i need. Will be using damions elementary coir tek.




Be patient young grasshopper.



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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23835208 - 11/15/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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No... 75 and 90 are not 100% last time I checked
Also just fruit cakes as cakes. You won't be increasing yield enough for it to be worth an extra step



Iv'e seen many reports of people using damions tek with brf and it definitely yields a lot more than cakes.
Spawning cakes to coir provides more nutrients to them and essentially (note the word essentially) combines the two cakes and coir into one large "cake" after the mycelium colonizes all of it Therefore yielding in more.

Is any of that wrong?



Sounds like you got the answers already lol...
You can look up why I say just use cakes as cakes if you want


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23835461 - 11/15/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Bod! Nooooo!  What happened?


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23835469 - 11/15/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Go cakes the way they are and check out comebackkids bottom watering tek for a higher yeild.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23835506 - 11/15/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

no 100%


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23835516 - 11/15/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Iv'e seen many reports of people using damions tek with brf and it definitely yields a lot more than cakes.
Spawning cakes to coir provides more nutrients to them and essentially (note the word essentially) combines the two cakes and coir into one large "cake" after the mycelium colonizes all of it Therefore yielding in more.






The reason we don't condone spawning cakes to bulk is because they are bacterial as fuck.
Breaking up a fully colonized cake and spawning it to bulk is just weakening the mycelium, giving the bacteria more time to dwindle your yields or worse let mild take over.

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Is any of that wrong?




Yes...
Spawning cakes to coir actually provides zero extre nutrients.

Your brf cakes are highly nutritious on their own.
If you want better yields for your brf cakes you need to learn how to treat your cakes right. Breaking them apart and spawning to coir is not recommended.  Try bottom watering after your pinset comes in like Shineonyoucrazy mentioned. There's a link if you click the cake to the left of my signature.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23835536 - 11/15/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Spawn as cake, take good care of them and hopefully you get ones that look like min in my sig.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23835604 - 11/15/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Dmt_psilocybin said:
Iv'e seen many reports of people using damions tek with brf and it definitely yields a lot more than cakes.
Spawning cakes to coir provides more nutrients to them and essentially (note the word essentially) combines the two cakes and coir into one large "cake" after the mycelium colonizes all of it Therefore yielding in more.






The reason we don't condone spawning cakes to bulk is because they are bacterial as fuck.
Breaking up a fully colonized cake and spawning it to bulk is just weakening the mycelium, giving the bacteria more time to dwindle your yields or worse let mild take over.

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Is any of that wrong?




Yes...
Spawning cakes to coir actually provides zero extre nutrients.

Your brf cakes are highly nutritious on their own.
If you want better yields for your brf cakes you need to learn how to treat your cakes right. Breaking them apart and spawning to coir is not recommended.  Try bottom watering after your pinset comes in like Shineonyoucrazy mentioned. There's a link if you click the cake to the left of my signature.



Oh i see. Unfortunate next time i'll have to go with rye or wbs. Also going to look into that bottom watering. Thanks.

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Spawn as cake, take good care of them and hopefully you get ones that look like min in my sig.



Exactly what steps haven to taken to get them like that? I haven't seen pictures of a pin set like that from cakes before which is why i originally wanted to go with bulk.


ps i do have perlite to build a sgfc


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23835614 - 11/15/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Check the tek link in my signature. Make those cakes go the extra mile.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23835625 - 11/15/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I'm working out details. A proper built to spec SGFC is important. I also gave a heavy spray and a 2nd coat of vermiculite on day 3. Kept moisture up. When home I mist more but leav tub part open to dramaticaly increase FAE. You just HAVE to keep checking on them. I also use whole brown rice instead of flower. A well built SGFC is one of the most important things though.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23835637 - 11/15/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, I'm working out details. A proper built to spec SGFC is important. I also gave a heavy spray and a 2nd coat of vermiculite on day 3. Kept moisture up. When home I mist more but leav tub part open to dramaticaly increase FAE. You just HAVE to keep checking on them. I also use whole brown rice instead of flower. A well built SGFC is one of the most important things though.



1/4 inch holes 2 in apart right?


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23835697 - 11/15/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yup on all 6 sides, and 4-6 inches of moistened perlite.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23835904 - 11/15/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Check the tek link in my signature. Make those cakes go the extra mile.



will do, thanks

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Yup on all 6 sides, and 4-6 inches of moistened perlite.



alright cool. I had previously purchased perlite. My tub is i think a 20-22 quart but from what i've read that should work out perfectly fine.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23835932 - 11/15/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Dmt_psilocybin said:
Iv'e seen many reports of people using damions tek with brf and it definitely yields a lot more than cakes.
Spawning cakes to coir provides more nutrients to them and essentially (note the word essentially) combines the two cakes and coir into one large "cake" after the mycelium colonizes all of it Therefore yielding in more.






The reason we don't condone spawning cakes to bulk is because they are bacterial as fuck.
Breaking up a fully colonized cake and spawning it to bulk is just weakening the mycelium, giving the bacteria more time to dwindle your yields or worse let mild take over.

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Is any of that wrong?




Yes...
Spawning cakes to coir actually provides zero extre nutrients.

Your brf cakes are highly nutritious on their own.
If you want better yields for your brf cakes you need to learn how to treat your cakes right. Breaking them apart and spawning to coir is not recommended.  Try bottom watering after your pinset comes in like Shineonyoucrazy mentioned. There's a link if you click the cake to the left of my signature.



Bunch of horse shit lol.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23835949 - 11/15/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hatter you got a nice pin set on those cakes and comebackkid damn nice.  Next set of cakes I'm trying to bottom water them. I got a really nice run without, but i definatly wanna play with getting them even better.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: cronicr]
    #23836017 - 11/15/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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ComebackKid said:
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Dmt_psilocybin said:
Iv'e seen many reports of people using damions tek with brf and it definitely yields a lot more than cakes.
Spawning cakes to coir provides more nutrients to them and essentially (note the word essentially) combines the two cakes and coir into one large "cake" after the mycelium colonizes all of it Therefore yielding in more.






The reason we don't condone spawning cakes to bulk is because they are bacterial as fuck.
Breaking up a fully colonized cake and spawning it to bulk is just weakening the mycelium, giving the bacteria more time to dwindle your yields or worse let mild take over.

Quote:


Is any of that wrong?




Yes...
Spawning cakes to coir actually provides zero extre nutrients.

Your brf cakes are highly nutritious on their own.
If you want better yields for your brf cakes you need to learn how to treat your cakes right. Breaking them apart and spawning to coir is not recommended.  Try bottom watering after your pinset comes in like Shineonyoucrazy mentioned. There's a link if you click the cake to the left of my signature.



Bunch of horse shit lol.



which part haha


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23836024 - 11/15/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty much his whole statement lol


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Shineonyoucrazy]
    #23836029 - 11/15/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Cron, if you believe what I said to be a bunch of horse shit I won't argue, but I'd appreciate you letting me know where I went wrong with that post so I can stop giving horse shit advice...


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23836041 - 11/15/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cakes are not bacterial unless you made them that way and anytime you add more food more water n more surface area your gonna get more mushrooms.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: cronicr]
    #23836055 - 11/15/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Cakes are not bacterial unless you made them that way and anytime you add more food more water n more surface area your gonna get more mushrooms.



Sooo, bulk is possible? Maybe Lobi's tek? looks very interesting.

So much confusion. Many people bleieve many different things. I'm confident i made my cakes very sterile.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23836115 - 11/15/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Okay I should have clarified.
Everything that I said was under the assumption that you made your PF cakes from spore syringes OP. I apologize
If you made your cakes with clean LC then spawn away.
It's in my personal experience that spawning, bacterial, spore syringe made, cakes to bulk actually dwindled yields.

I was also under the assumption that coir had no nutes which is why we are able to spawn in open air environments...


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23836205 - 11/15/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No diff from lc or spores. .if the syringe is clean in either it's clean....end of story.
Coir is spawned in open air because contams will not germinate on it


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: cronicr]
    #23836231 - 11/15/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:what:
Then why do we even fuck with agar if spore syringes have been clean this whole time?
You're telling me you would reccomend making LC from spores?
You would reccomend inoculating grain spawn with spores?

It was my understanding that spore syringes were bacterial. But I'm just a noob :shrug:


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23836241 - 11/15/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We're talking cakes to bulk that were made with spores. You're talking about spores to LC and grains that's something different


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23836260 - 11/15/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not trying to be argumentitave here, but where does the bacteria go when you inoculate PF cakes over LC or grains... just trying to find some sort of reason so I can grasp this concept


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23836270 - 11/15/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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:what:
Then why do we even fuck with agar if spore syringes have been clean this whole time?
You're telling me you would reccomend making LC from spores?
You would reccomend inoculating grain spawn with spores?

It was my understanding that spore syringes were bacterial. But I'm just a noob :shrug:



Not every syringe is dirty or vendors would not have a business. ..they carry more risk but that's about it but if a syringe is clean why bother with lc?


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23836280 - 11/15/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Not trying to be argumentitave here, but where does the bacteria go when you inoculate PF cakes over LC or grains... just trying to find some sort of reason so I can grasp this concept



Cakes mitigate bacteria but anyway you can spawn not 100% clean spawn and still get flushes. But you can't inoculate a LC with something not 100% clean


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: cronicr]
    #23836287 - 11/15/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

to answer OP, I recently spawned cakes to coir...cakes that actually were bacterial as hell and I got 2 decent flushes from them. it is possible. however using cakes alone you can and will get more flushes.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: wild child]
    #23836293 - 11/15/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How many cakes did you use to how much coir and what size tub? Just interested


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23836297 - 11/15/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

True. Okay okay thanks for that guys. I apologize OP if I confused you in any way. As you can see we're all learning here


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Shineonyoucrazy]
    #23836304 - 11/15/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How many cakes did you use to how much coir and what size tub? Just interested





only used 2 cakes because they were bacterial from the beginning, it was just an experiment cause I was gonna throw them out anyways...it wasnt a tub...just a little container ..so not much coir at all. but they produced nicely. I am actually doing it again with even worse cakes lol I used 5 this time.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23836306 - 11/15/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There's been a bad rep on the boards lately where people seem to think every syringe is contaminated..this simply needs to be put to rest they carry a higher risk but that's really about it....if they work they work but use agar and skip the guessing games


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: cronicr]
    #23836314 - 11/15/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you use 5 you think you could half damions 5050 elementary coir tek? Or would that be to much coir?


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Shineonyoucrazy]
    #23836324 - 11/15/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Damion5050's coir Tek. Nothing to do with 50/50
5 cakes I would use like 1/4 brick


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23836342 - 11/15/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Damion5050's coir Tek. Nothing to do with 50/50
5 cakes I would use like 1/4 brick





yeah what he said.


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23836345 - 11/15/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know its not a 5050 mix its 1 brick to 2 qts verm to 4 qt water so I'll just quarter that ratio sometime and give it a try. Maybe next round cause im trying pe cakes and i know they go better as bulk


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: Shineonyoucrazy]
    #23836357 - 11/15/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

it doesnt have to be perfect...just mix in verm with coir...I just put handfuls in at a time and mix until I think it looks good.  goodluck with pe tho

( I bake my verm for 30 min on 350 before I add to coir btw)


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Re: Can i birth these cakes to bulk yet? [Re: wild child]
    #23836373 - 11/15/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you! I wanted to give them a shot. I think doing it like this would be a good test run. I'll probably go with a tray or little tub and throw it in the sgfc. Then try a mini after. Just dipping my toes into bulk with a mini i just started a few days ago, so I'm hoping it goes good.  Cakes have ran well, but like most of us i wanna go a bit bigger for a better yeild.


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