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Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan?
#23834522 - 11/15/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of police forces carry narcan nowadays
What is y'all thoughts?
I heard a bunch of people say things like this in person ""I think they should let natural selection do it job!"
I think they should help when they can and that enables a faster response
For me I can't say, I make my self sound like a idiot sometimes
But when I saw the first new report of learning some police forces carry narcan I was pretty on bourd with that cause there is good people who are addicted to opiates. But there is also the kind of people who would hold you at gunpoint at a atm for there next opiate dose But that shouldn't let a bad Apple or 10ruin it
Intelligentlly discuss
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: SunnyD] 2
#23834533 - 11/15/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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of course help od's I dont get this push against narcan as if its somehow enabling junkies.
Junkies are gonna use and we might as well use common sense and the medical tools we have available to help them not die.
its a bit of basic human compassion and empathy towards others and the fact that anyone is against it scares me, there most likely a psychopath who likes to see others suffer.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: SunnyD] 5
#23834536 - 11/15/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's great and I don't even see how one could debate otherwise.
Just because some addicts do terrible things doesn't mean all addicts should be permitted to die when their life could have been saved.
Doing heroin does not make you an inherently bad person. It means you made a bad decision. And I know you know all of this, Sunny, I'm just writing it to help my argument.
Sometimes a near-death OD is what brings someone back to reality and helps them get their life in check. The person who gets saved who may not have wanted to be, well, they will have plenty more opportunities to do it to themselves if they really want to.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: SunnyD] 2
#23834543 - 11/15/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My sister works in a hospital with mentally unstable people which is comprised of a lot of drug addicts, she said she was surpised at how many get brought in during an OD and are PISSED when they wake up and the hospital "ruined" their high even though they'd of died otherwise.
A lot want help, a lot dont, ideally it would be cool to only help those who want it but its difficult to determine that in the midst of an OD. Plus someone who doesnt want help might reach a point where they chnage and do want help.
People tend to blame drugs for the choices of people so less dead people when it comes to drugs looks better so Im all for it, dont know how expensive it is but it is peoples lives we're talking about so that doesnt really matter to me either
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#23834544 - 11/15/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's why I'm on the fence Cause I know narcan has saved countless good hearted people
Its the evilminded people who lie, deceive, hurt others mentally or physically in there everyday lifes that I have no patience for trying to save and waste oxygen n tax dollars on
But regardless I'm happy they are carrying it to help any good hearted soul in trouble
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#23834564 - 11/15/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: My sister works in a hospital with mentally unstable people which is comprised of a lot of drug addicts, she said she was surpised at how many get brought in during an OD and are PISSED when they wake up and the hospital "ruined" their high even though they'd of died otherwise.
A lot want help, a lot dont, ideally it would be cool to only help those who want it but its difficult to determine that in the midst of an OD. Plus someone who doesnt want help might reach a point where they chnage and do want help.
People tend to blame drugs for the choices of people so less dead people when it comes to drugs looks better so Im all for it, dont know how expensive it is but it is peoples lives we're talking about so that doesnt really matter to me either
You go from being extremely high to going through an extremely intense withdrawal in an instant. It's the most intense withdrawal you will ever experience, it fucking sucks. Also they don't know how close they were to dying.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: SunnyD]
#23834569 - 11/15/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SunnyD said: For me I can't say, cause there is good people who are addicted to opiates. But there is also the kind of people who would hold you at gunpoint at a atm for there next opiate dose
Why is it that most people assume that if someone ODs, then they are an addict? I've never been addicted to opioids and yet i would have died in 2013 if narcan did'nt exist. Not to say that an addict is less deserving ov life ov course, but i find it interesting how people jump to conclusions.
A friend overheard a paramedic labeling me as just another junkie whom he did'nt care if i died in the street or not. Many EMTs and police are horrible people who do not care if one dies or not without knowing them personally, but they're entitled to perform their job. A cop is more likely to abuse their job, but having the option there to PROTECT and serve is obviously a good thing.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: fapjack]
#23834576 - 11/15/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think my tax dollars should be paying to keep losers alive. People have to pay for their children's life saving medications but Narcan is free, something wrong with that.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: my3rdeye]
#23834600 - 11/15/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Narcan is not expensive. It used to be extremely cheap and the companies that own it continually rise price, but even then it's not remotely expensive. I don't know what people are going on about when it comes to the "cost". It's like $20 to $40 a dose. It's certainly much cheaper to treat someone with Narcan than to deal with a dead body. The sentiment that they are addicts and deserve to die is a pretty horrible outlook.
Western medicine pushes opiates, and a large portion of addicts start because of completely unnecessary pain pill prescriptions. Some people are more likely than others to become addicted, and there isn't exactly proper oversight with the shit. To act like Narcan is an issue because it keeps a junkie alive is the wrong way to think about the problem. The problem is that we allow large opiate prescriptions for minor bullshit like teeth extraction and knee surgery and expect everyone to remain addiction free.
Yes, keep stuff like Narcan on stock. There is no compelling reason not to.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: PatrickKn]
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Police carrying Narcan would be the smartest thing police have done in decades.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23834724 - 11/15/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is no sentiment that there addicts and that's why i want them to die
I feel for true righteous good hearted beings that are addicted to hard opiates like diactylmorphine (heroin) And I'm glad for those who have been revived
Not so much for evil fucks though
The opiate problem, along with fentanyl and that's lethal in the single digit mg range Just a speckof fentanyl on a opiate naive person would kill them! There is some evil fucks out there
Btw one more time if it's not already clear
I am glad narcan exists, it has saved countless live's
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said: Narcan is not expensive. It used to be extremely cheap and the companies that own it continually rise price, but even then it's not remotely expensive. I don't know what people are going on about when it comes to the "cost". It's like $20 to $40 a dose. It's certainly much cheaper to treat someone with Narcan than to deal with a dead body. The sentiment that they are addicts and deserve to die is a pretty horrible outlook.
Western medicine pushes opiates, and a large portion of addicts start because of completely unnecessary pain pill prescriptions. Some people are more likely than others to become addicted, and there isn't exactly proper oversight with the shit. To act like Narcan is an issue because it keeps a junkie alive is the wrong way to think about the problem. The problem is that we allow large opiate prescriptions for minor bullshit like teeth extraction and knee surgery and expect everyone to remain addiction free.
Yes, keep stuff like Narcan on stock. There is no compelling reason not to.
The only advice I would consider listening too is statistics and a handful of pros. I pay no attention to all these part time players that think they know the game. I will only consider tips from a guy that consistently wins at the casino I'm at. Then again, I have no idea what they do once I'm gone.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: SunnyD]
#23834760 - 11/15/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is this really even a question?
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: stzacrack]
#23834762 - 11/15/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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stzacrack said: Is this really even a question?
I hear people in public ask it and talk about this very thing
Esp if any new stations play a story about cops carrying narcan played on TV recently
I'm surrounded by baaaaaaah's baaaaah' s sheep who repeat anything CNN told them I've just heard ignorant stuff about this argument in person wanted to see how it was in a rational environment
Just wanted to see what D pub's thoughts were, thought it could make for a opiate narcan discussion if even just for a page
Sorry if I'm trying to post something non political
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Patlal]
#23834814 - 11/15/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Police carrying Narcan would be the smartest thing police have done in decades.
I thought dumping the bodies in dumpsters was
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Patlal said: Police carrying Narcan would be the smartest thing police have done in decades.
I thought dumping the bodies in dumpsters was
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#23834893 - 11/15/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Narcan saved my life and countlesss friends lives
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: PartoftheSource]
#23834963 - 11/15/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not even a question. Absolutely.
Sunny, I love ya, but you seem to have some questionable views on drugs and addiction sometimes. Don't forget that for a good chunk of time you were somewhat of an opioid addict yourself.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: SunnyD]
#23835068 - 11/15/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SunnyD said: But there is also the kind of people who would hold you at gunpoint at a atm for there next opiate dose
I have never known a junkie to do such a thing, and I have known a ton of junkies. This is just my experience though. The majority of junkies I knew in the past would rather be sick than rob someone with a weapon for a fix.
The only junkies I heard of but didn't know that robbed people at gunpoint or with weapons, were black. This is just my experience though, I understand there are junkies from every race that do such things, and I don't want to sound racists, but all the robberies I heard of in the past were involved with black people. Sure you have suburban white kids stealing anything else of value to pawn for their fix, but I can't recall in a decade of being involved in such a scene, of ever hearing about one of them strong arming someone for a fix, just my experience though.
Regarding firemen/police officers carrying narcan, well I think it's a good thing. One of those junkies could get their life together and actually really be able to help others get their lives together, you know if you're a junkie you're bound to only listen to someone that has been through what you have been through. You wont listen to a cop who has no experience with drugs telling you to get your shit together, most people will find themselves back in the same ruinous habits, you have to learn from those that have been through what you have been through as a junkie. So if narcan saved an individual, and they went on to help others, well then good on them.
This world is always going to have junkies.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Lucis]
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I vote we have the police ask the addict if they are a good person before administering it.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23835252 - 11/15/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I still am
Tramadol every few days and kratom everyday wd ain't horrible but it's there again
I Was in favor of narcan I was just asking for thoughts but I did word it where I was completely indecisive, Ima 're edit the op
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spirit_shadow said: I vote we have the police ask the addict if they are a good person before administering it.
Not saying that at all
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Lucis]
#23835295 - 11/15/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SunnyD said: But there is also the kind of people who would hold you at gunpoint at a atm for there next opiate dose
I have never known a junkie to do such a thing, and I have known a ton of junkies. This is just my experience though. The majority of junkies I knew in the past would rather be sick than rob someone for a fix.
The only junkies I heard of but didn't know that robbed people at gunpoint or with weapons, were black. This is just my experience though, I understand there are junkies from every race that do such things, and I don't want to sound racists, but all the robberies I heard of in the past were involved with black people. Sure you have suburban white kids stealing anything else of value to pawn for their fix, but I can't recall in a decade of being involved in such a scene, of ever hearing about one of them strong arming someone for a fix, just my experience though.
Regarding firemen/police officers carrying narcan, well I think it's a good thing. One of those junkies could get their life together and actually really be able to help others get their lives together, you know if you're a junkie you're bound to only listen to someone that has been through what you have been through. You wont listen to a cop who has no experience with drugs telling you to get your shit together, most people will find themselves back in the same ruinous habits, you have to learn from those that have been through what you have been through as a junkie. So if narcan saved an individual, and they went on to help others, well then good on them.
This world is always going to have junkies.
so what exactly does the people being black have ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING AT ALL???????????????????????????
for what its worth, trippinballs420 is white and used to hold people at gunpoint at an ATM, but him being white is literally COMPLETELY irrelevant!
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: SunnyD]
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I was semi joking......part of me would actually vote for that
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Sheekle]
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Sheekle said: so what exactly does the people being black have ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING AT ALL???????????????????????????
for what its worth, trippinballs420 is white and used to hold people at gunpoint at an ATM, but him being white is literally COMPLETELY irrelevant!
Because the places I used to buy dope from were ghetto areas, and that type of behavior was condoned by the older people, the younger kids would see this behavior and find it acceptable. The older guys would make groups of young kids who were used to rob people. As I said above, this was just my experience though, and I didn't observe that type of behavior amongst the junkies I knew who were suburban people. I was only stating what I observed personally, and for you to not be able to deduce that from what I said above, is not so bright, no offense.
Don't get your panties in a wad, if you read that whole post it's clear what I mean, don't try to stir the pot of drama, when there's none there to be stirred. I clearly said other people from other races did the same things, I just never observed it is all, was only speaking about my experience.
I am talking about robbery with a weapon, which SunD said, I am not talking about some junkie trying to pawn off things they stole from people, but robbery with a weapon, I personally never heard of this happening around anyone I knew, but in communities like the black community I used to buy dope from, that behavior is rampant, and often encouraged.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Lucis]
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None of that has anything to do with skin color though, for you to not be able to logically deduce that is not so bright
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Sheekle]
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You're assuming that's what I meant, which would mean you're viewing something from a racial standpoint which I am not, all I am saying is that the only times I observed such behaviors happen, were around black people, I never said all black people were that way, that would be ignorant as fuck. I know plenty of black people that don't act that way.
I think you should go back and read what I said, if that's what you think I meant, then you're confused.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Lucis]
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Okay, but what exactly does the fact that you've only observed black people doing that have to do with anything? It literally has no relevance at all. Do black junkies not count as real junkies or something? Like what are you getting at by mentioning that
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Sheekle]
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I like the assumption that everyone who overdosed is a homeless junkie that lives under a bridge.
There are lots of opioid users who pay taxes and are functioning members of society, but their lives shouldn't be saved because they accidentally ingested to much of the wrong poison?
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: TNK]
#23835514 - 11/15/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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trump doesnt pay taxes
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: Sheekle]
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Good, he doesn't get any Narcan.
We should probably stop putting out fires for people unless they paid their taxes too.
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Re: Your thoughts on police carrying Narcan? [Re: SunnyD]
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obviously a great idea. There is no other valid opinion.
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