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Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms
    #23834497 - 11/15/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Took shrooms 2,5-3g .
Panicked on the comeup due to the situation in the moment , way to overwhelming and chaotic and stressfull.

Since that day i have never come down , i am still in the high .
My reality is shroomerish , a reality realer than ours , i am not really i side my body , brain .
Constant neck/head pressure 24/7 .

I really am messed up but what i cant understand is that they have left me capable of thinking , talking but not really quite centered and connected.

I have tripped again since that and didnt even feel the effects on 2.5g .

I am isolated , cant really go outside because i shame on me and people also see it that something isnt correct. My eyes are watery , i have tunnel vision and i cant really use my brain to modify reality .


What would you do in such a position ?

I have been to a ward .... , to psychiatrists .... all havnt helped.
I am now looking into shamanic healing , homeopathic ways .

I have also thought about going big on 5g but i wouldnt know if it would reset me or fuck it up more wich is rare to me .


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23834524 - 11/15/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like you do have some issues. Why would you trip again so soon on the same dose if you had a problem with it the first time. And then suggest you are looking into taking a bigger dose of 5 grams. If you think it messed you up stop taking it. Its not going to reset you. If you really did have a problem you need to stop and ride it out. Get back to base line. Check you're not a neurotic and get back to normal life. Do what you used to do before you tripped. It'll come back to you.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: DustJuice] * 3
    #23834541 - 11/15/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I always give the same advice in situations like this, because it really helps.

What you need:

Food: Drink plenty of water, cut out all soda, careful with alcohol and coffee.
Eat plenty fruit, especially citrus or berries.
Eat youghurt, dark bread, and fatty fish.

Excersize
Long walks, preferably in quiet, natural places. Short meditation sessions throughout the day to ground you again.
Dancing, singing, and playing an instrument are great as well.

Drugs
No. Leave them for now, you can get high again once you've landed.

ANd most important:
TIME

It may take a few weeks to a few months to get back to ground level. Don't worry too much about your condition, it'll pass, and is not as obvious to other people as you might think.

Take delight in the small things, and mellow out, man.

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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Turtletotem]
    #23844034 - 11/18/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

focus on your physical health for a while, maybe join a gym or set a goal, take your mind off of your mind, give yourself time, what you are experienceing could very well be PTSD symptoms.

Thats the best advice I can possibly offer.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: neb]
    #23853311 - 11/21/16 05:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I reslly dont understand how everybody claims that shrooms are a safe drug when something so unpredictable has happened to me !

they have fucked me up , they have fcked up my future and i fucking hate them i wish i would have never touched them.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Trippedytrip] * 1
    #23854393 - 11/21/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

All very good advice here!

I suggest that every day you take some time to meditate. You are truipping while sober, so turning your focus inward should be rewarding.

What I think is that something wants out, something that needs further processing. It could be a repressed mempory or situation.

I don't think its simple HPPD.

I think more is going on.

Since you already trip while sober you dont need booster doses.

I think something got activated that needs out.

Turtletotem gave good advice!


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Asante]
    #23856424 - 11/22/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you really believed that you wouldn't be starting a thread asking for help to find a possible 'solution'. You're obviously coherent enough to start a thread and explain yourself. Some good advice has been given here. I would add Hot sauna at 80c for 10 minutes followed by ice cold shower for 3 minutes, repeat 3 times, 3 times a week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday) and don't go out on the weekend. You should feel improvement after the first week.

Also not sure if bad English but you sound kinda young. No one says take large doses as a kid. Good Luck.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23858124 - 11/22/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone in your family suffer from schizophrenia?

Have you tried traditional anti-psychotics drugs or benzos?


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23859484 - 11/23/16 04:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No mental ilness in family history!

Yes antipsychotics for 2 months with no success !


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23859769 - 11/23/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How many threads are you going to start on this topic, op?

these are all dual posts/cross posts in different forums on the same thing.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23797970
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23802927

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23827987
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23834497

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23747875
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23747871

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23754747
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23754759


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23699067
in this particular thread, you ask for advice on how to cultivate psychedelic mushrooms as per where it was posted in. (not gourmet)

In this thread, you're actually cultivating them. this was only 56 days ago or so
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23686149

In this thread, you mention you're on risperdal and another medication, and that you're going to try microdosing mushrooms:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23669953#23669953


Stop doing drugs. you're going behind your doc's back and doing drugs while on the medications, and i'm willing to bet money that they told you not to do that. Clearly you suffer from some sort of depersonalization... stay away from weed and other psychoactive drugs... they may worsen your condition.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: 404]
    #23860604 - 11/23/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks now i have a easy access to all of them !


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23860668 - 11/23/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You always did, it's in the first two pages of your posts. You should probably stop making new threads about this subject, seeing as you've made about 9 threads about it already. And posting things twice in different forums is probably not good either.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23861272 - 11/23/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: 404]
    #23863048 - 11/24/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe i am fucking desperate ! Sorry for trying to find someone who has experienced the same !

I literally got stuck in that trip  and it is not a fucking myth or urban legend it happens.

It is now a year ago that happened.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23863710 - 11/24/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Didn't mean to upset you, tho re-reading what i typed i can totally see how that would look as though i'm being 'off' towards you.

I've had panic attacks on mushrooms before, and i'm still not certain i wasn't having some kind of temporal lobe seizure to be honest...

however, it seems your situation was a bit different than just a panic attack. if you are experiencing after effects long after the drugs have left your body, something may well be up, and as i recall you were placed in a psych ward and treated with anti-psychotics like risperdal for symptoms of depersonalization - a symptom that's associated with schizophrenia.


typically, when stuff like this happens, it's triggering some underlying genetic issue. psychedelics may exacerbate these issues, and given that you've had difficulty with them to this degree before, maybe it's best to not grow and consume them...

just a month or so ago you were talking about using them again. Your mental health and getting better should be more important to you at this point.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23864121 - 11/24/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I reslly dont understand how everybody claims that shrooms are a safe drug when something so unpredictable has happened to me !

they have fucked me up , they have fcked up my future and i fucking hate them i wish i would have never touched them.




Trust me it's pretty ignorant to think they're safe. But you really just need to lay off them, in all honesty it just doesn't seem like they're for you. Maybe once upon a time they may have been but things change all of the time. Take a bit to step back and think where your head is at, in most circumstances the use of psychedelic mushrooms have lead you into a false sense of the way you perceive what they are, I feel for you but it's not going to help by repeating the same process over and over again and expect change. I've seen you a fair few times asking advice for your psychological health problems but I don't see you changing yourself like you should be. Heath everyone's advice here and just close the book, your life isn't going to be any better if you don't.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
    #23869716 - 11/26/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Trust me it's pretty ignorant to think they're safe.




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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23869725 - 11/26/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

psychedelic drug use can have lasting consequences too just like other things. while you're very unlikely to die on them, PTSD happens, and triggering/exacerbating underlying mental health issues does occur


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: 404]
    #23869770 - 11/26/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In a very small subset of people.

I believe magic mushrooms are safe to ingest by a majority of people.

I'm not ignorant for believing that.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23869781 - 11/26/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sure. but anyone can have a bad experience on them if they abuse the drug / use in an inapropriate set and setting. even hofmann had a difficult psychedelic experience the first real time he dosed LSD. I think that was the point of what was said, that these substances are to be respected.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: 404]
    #23869833 - 11/26/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If the point was to respect psychedelic drugs, why do you find it appropriate to be calling people ignorant for saying mushrooms are safe.

Saying that something is safe, is not the same as saying something is without risks.

I figured it was implied I understood the commonsense risks you bring up, but that was my mistake.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23869853 - 11/26/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

wouldn't safe almost imply "without risks?" that's how i read it, anyway. I also never said anyone was ignorant, if that was directed at me.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: 404]
    #23869871 - 11/26/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Would you say driving is safe?

You responded to my post with reasons for why mushrooms can be seen as dangerous. So I thought you found my "notlikly" gif inaccurate.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23869918 - 11/26/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

>>Would you say driving is safe?

No, not in the least. Especially where I live, people regularly try to kill me while I'm driving.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: 404]
    #23870017 - 11/26/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's clear to me that you are experiencing some kind of paranoid neurosis.

:freud:

It explains why you fail to follow my line of reasoning.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23870175 - 11/26/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:lol: prob not. people are crazy as hell in florida. could be the aspie thing though, but i tend to try to use as much logical reasoning as possible.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: 404]
    #23870208 - 11/26/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I did not know you had aspergers 404


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead] * 1
    #23875751 - 11/28/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not saying it in a sense that's demeaning, I just meant if you didn't have a care in the world before you tripped, without taking any precaution, there are some risks that could be negative. Not putting them in bar with crack or meth, just stating there not 100% safe.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead] * 1
    #23875761 - 11/28/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And it'd be even worse for someone to say driving is "safe". There's a thousand fold more risks regarding driving.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
    #23876546 - 11/28/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Not saying it in a sense that's demeaning, I just meant if you didn't have a care in the world before you tripped, without taking any precaution, there are some risks that could be negative. Not putting them in bar with crack or meth, just stating there not 100% safe.




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Wow...so...you agree with me?

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And it'd be even worse for someone to say driving is "safe". There's a thousand fold more risks regarding driving.




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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23877118 - 11/29/16 02:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty much. Not saying people should stay away with them because they fry your brain cells and you could get stuck in a trip for eternity. Just a little awareness and respect for something that's so awesome.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
    #23877286 - 11/29/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, I didn't mean to be so combative by the way.

When you said that it was ignorant to believe they are safe, I figured you weighed the pros and cons and judged them to be overall dangerous.

Just like when I said they are safe, I expected everyone to assume I also weighted the pros and cons.

That was my bad, I should not make so many assumptions.

I just didn't want OP to take his condition seriously, because it is abnormal.


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23877305 - 11/29/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is why i never trip without emergency benzos at hand. Even in the most perfect circumstances things can go south pretty quickly


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23877319 - 11/29/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How often have you had to use the emergency benzos?

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    #23877323 - 11/29/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23877325 - 11/29/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:nodofunderstanding:

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    #23877330 - 11/29/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just having them makes me feel at ease


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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23879807 - 11/29/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok, I didn't mean to be so combative by the way.

When you said that it was ignorant to believe they are safe, I figured you weighed the pros and cons and judged them to be overall dangerous.

Just like when I said they are safe, I expected everyone to assume I also weighted the pros and cons.

That was my bad, I should not make so many assumptions.

I just didn't want OP to take his condition seriously, because it is abnormal.



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Ok, I didn't mean to be so combative by the way.

When you said that it was ignorant to believe they are safe, I figured you weighed the pros and cons and judged them to be overall dangerous.

Just like when I said they are safe, I expected everyone to assume I also weighted the pros and cons.

That was my bad, I should not make so many assumptions.

I just didn't want OP to take his condition seriously, because it is abnormal.




Nah all cool, I should have elaborated a little better on it haha.


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    #23880954 - 11/30/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds like you do have some issues.




+1

If you are crazy OP why would you indulge somemore? Get your crazy under control. For the record, I think everyone is a bit crazy. Its a problem when you cannot function in a job and around people or you become unsafe to yourself or others.

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Re: Consequences of a paniv attack on Shrooms [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23898907 - 12/06/16 03:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Took shrooms 2,5-3g .
Panicked on the comeup due to the situation in the moment , way to overwhelming and chaotic and stressfull.

Since that day i have never come down , i am still in the high .
My reality is shroomerish , a reality realer than ours , i am not really i side my body , brain .
Constant neck/head pressure 24/7 .

I really am messed up but what i cant understand is that they have left me capable of thinking , talking but not really quite centered and connected.

I have tripped again since that and didnt even feel the effects on 2.5g .

I am isolated , cant really go outside because i shame on me and people also see it that something isnt correct. My eyes are watery , i have tunnel vision and i cant really use my brain to modify reality .


What would you do in such a position ?

I have been to a ward .... , to psychiatrists .... all havnt helped.
I am now looking into shamanic healing , homeopathic ways .

I have also thought about going big on 5g but i wouldnt know if it would reset me or fuck it up more wich is rare to me .


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Is not HPPD.

Do not abuse psychedelics, it will make it worse.  I've often met schizophrenics who believed they could 'reverse' their condition by using more psychedelics, and that may be the case in a certain set and setting, but they ultimately just fuck themselves up worse with improper usage.

It sounds like you have underlying psychiatric conditions.  I wouldn't be surprised if other drugs (pharms. & recreational) are involved.

Also, the specific nature of "where the trip went bad" could likely be the key to finding a way to psychologically rebound from the situation.

For future reference:

This guide was originally written by Timothy Leary for use with LSD, but I've found it is just as vital with psychedelic mushrooms.

Using LSD to Imprint the Tibetan-Buddhist Experience A Guide to Successful Psychedelic Experience

I find this song to be very good for shroom comedowns and general anxiety related to tripping: Lotus - Colorado

Even the FDA rated psilocin as less toxic than aspirin.  That being said, it's still totally possible a small percentile of people are for some reason, allergic to the substance.  Some people are allergic to cannabis pollen, for example.

Drink a lot of water.  Continue to see healthcare providers.  Keep a positive frame of mind.

Most of all, remember - This too, Shall pass.

-P


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