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Reality or Conspiracy Theory???
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I just read a very interesting article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:
The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy
Basically, his argument is that all the anti-Trump protests that are going on right now around the country are being pushed by the establishment to delegitimize Trump's presidency. Change.org is even circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary.
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"Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions."
"Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia."
It's a very interesting article by a liberal, who clearly hates Hillary. I actually think he has a point... is this reality, or conspiracy theory???
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If you read into it..it's pretty clear that at least some of the people were coaxed/paid to be a part of the protests..obviously some are doing it on their own. I mentioned this the other day before I hid all political threads due to being tired of the same shit being said over and over again..yet here I am once again
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I sympathize with the protestors. I accept that Trump was nominated president (losing the popular vote, but thats besides the point), but I want to make crystal clear that I'm not going to put up with some of the shit Trump has promised to do. These protests are part of the democratic process and would have been were Hillary elected.
Trump made innuendo about refusing to concede and violently rebelling against a Hillary-elect. For this he was criticized. Hillary conceded in a timely fashion and now a portion of the left is protesting (in Seattle, as always, the anarchists seem to be getting all the media spotlight, and yes, there have been people hurt.)
tl;dr: protesting is good, insurrectionism is scary and bad for the people caught in the cross-fire. I have no qualms about docking Trump for "keeping us in suspense" and then joining in protests against him.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist] 1
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I'm waiting for Trump supporters to actually use their second amendment on these fools that are ganging up on them, threatening them with death, spewing rape threats towards Trump's wife, destroying property, stealing etc.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence] 1
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Once live ammo starts flying its usually pretty damn difficult to go back. I'm sure the leftists will all go home and stay there after some nut sprays them with several 5.56 mags
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I just read a very interesting article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:
The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy
Basically, his argument is that all the anti-Trump protests that are going on right now around the country are being pushed by the establishment to delegitimize Trump's presidency. Change.org is even circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary.
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"Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions."
"Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia."
It's a very interesting article by a liberal, who clearly hates Hillary. I actually think he has a point... is this reality, or conspiracy theory???
"interesting article by a liberal"
He's not a liberal.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: I sympathize with the protestors. I accept that Trump was nominated president (losing the popular vote, but thats besides the point), but I want to make crystal clear that I'm not going to put up with some of the shit Trump has promised to do. These protests are part of the democratic process and would have been were Hillary elected.
Trump made innuendo about refusing to concede and violently rebelling against a Hillary-elect. For this he was criticized. Hillary conceded in a timely fashion and now a portion of the left is protesting (in Seattle, as always, the anarchists seem to be getting all the media spotlight, and yes, there have been people hurt.)
tl;dr: protesting is good, insurrectionism is scary and bad for the people caught in the cross-fire. I have no qualms about docking Trump for "keeping us in suspense" and then joining in protests against him.
"I'm not going to put up with some of the shit Trump has promised to do"
Oh really? What specifically are you "not going to put up with"?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman] 2
#23833681 - 11/14/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rounding up or millions of people without due process. Trying political opponents or journalists in kangaroo courts. Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad. Seizing liberated foreign assets as spoils of war.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: Rounding up or millions of people without due process. Trying political opponents or journalists in kangaroo courts. Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad. Seizing liberated foreign assets as spoils of war.
Deporting illegals is going to happen, we already have the laws on the books, we are just going to enforce those laws.
Nobody is going after political opponents or journalists, stop being hysterical.
"Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad"
Like Bush and Obama? Where has been your outrage?
"spoils of war"
Well, the US has been nothing but a big loser in these wars, we are due for some "spoils".
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
#23833739 - 11/14/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I just read a very interesting article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:
The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy
Basically, his argument is that all the anti-Trump protests that are going on right now around the country are being pushed by the establishment to delegitimize Trump's presidency. Change.org is even circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary.
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"Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions."
"Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia."
It's a very interesting article by a liberal, who clearly hates Hillary. I actually think he has a point... is this reality, or conspiracy theory???
"interesting article by a liberal"
He's not a liberal.
It doesn't really matter to me, but he's always defended liberal causes, and thinks Carter should be reelected.
Only Eminence responded to my question - is the establishment organizing the Trump protests? Sure, once they're organized, "liberals" might come if change.org invites them, but I don't think we should be protesting Trump just because he got elected. Let's wait and see what his policy decisions are.
My guess is that I'll be protesting him soon enough, but for now, I'll accept the election results and keep my fingers crossed.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I just read a very interesting article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:
The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy
Basically, his argument is that all the anti-Trump protests that are going on right now around the country are being pushed by the establishment to delegitimize Trump's presidency. Change.org is even circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary.
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"Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions."
"Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia."
It's a very interesting article by a liberal, who clearly hates Hillary. I actually think he has a point... is this reality, or conspiracy theory???
"interesting article by a liberal"
He's not a liberal.
It doesn't really matter to me, but he's always defended liberal causes, and thinks Carter should be reelected.
Only Eminence responded to my question - is the establishment organizing the Trump protests? Sure, once they're organized, "liberals" might come if change.org invites them, but I don't think we should be protesting Trump just because he got elected. Let's wait and see what his policy decisions are.
My guess is that I'll be protesting him soon enough, but for now, I'll accept the election results and keep my fingers crossed.
"is the establishment organizing the Trump protests"
Maybe?? Either way, I still think they would be forming.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23833810 - 11/14/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eminence said: If you read into it..it's pretty clear that at least some of the people were coaxed/paid to be a part of the protests..obviously some are doing it on their own. I mentioned this the other day before I hid all political threads due to being tired of the same shit being said over and over again..yet here I am once again 
I did a search for that post and could only find it in the pub. 
So no need for the 
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I didn't imply that I mentioned that particular point multiple times, I was talking about the repetitiveness of it all in general, the " " was at myself because I just hid the threads and now I'm back at it again less than a day later
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I read this article, and I need to point some things on appearances 1. He calls himself and signs his books "Dr." yet I can't find what his Ph.D is in. Usually this is a crappy sales tactic for self help or business voodoo books. 2. Holy shit! From the covers of his books to his titles and his prose, everything is screaming that this guy makes his bacon being an alarmist and conspiracy theorist.
Anyone could have started that change.org petition. Hell, the odds are decent the Russian gov't started it, or a Trump supporter. Poe's Law or something like that. Who knows and I don't think it really matters. What has a change.org petition ever done?
Why would the establishment provoke protests to de-legitimize their presidential office? Whoever "the powers that be" are, if they've been around this long, I'd assume they are thinking longer than the next 4 years.
It is worth protesting our president-elect (he is our president-elect and he is the only legitimate person to occupy the white house on Jan 20th) if only as a method of organizing and preparing in the event Trump tries shit. It is also worth protesting that Trump has a personal gain to be made from DAPL getting finished, for example. Or how he still hasn't released his taxes. Or because you think his hair is ugly.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: I read this article, and I need to point some things on appearances 1. He calls himself and signs his books "Dr." yet I can't find what his Ph.D is in. Usually this is a crappy sales tactic for self help or business voodoo books.
Or maybe he's just modest. Here's his bio:
Georgia Institute of Technology (BA Economics) University of Virginia (PhD Economics) University of Oxford (Fellow in Economics)
"he became the United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under President Reagan in 1981"
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Crumist said: Why would the establishment provoke protests to de-legitimize their presidential office?
I don't know if they're delegitimizing the Presidency, just the non-establishment candidate.
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Crumist said: It is worth protesting our president-elect (he is our president-elect and he is the only legitimate person to occupy the white house on Jan 20th) if only as a method of organizing and preparing in the event Trump tries shit.
I'm afraid that with Trump's personality, that will only lead to making him think "Fuck you liberals, if you're going to claim I'm not the legitimate President, then I'm going to lead the people who know I am."
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Crumist said: It is worth protesting our president-elect (he is our president-elect and he is the only legitimate person to occupy the white house on Jan 20th) if only as a method of organizing and preparing in the event Trump tries shit.
I'm afraid that with Trump's personality, that will only lead to making him think "Fuck you liberals, if you're going to claim I'm not the legitimate President, then I'm going to lead the people who think I am." 
Wait, we have to take Trump's feelings into account? There are people with legitimate past, present, and future grievances with this man who is set to become President of the The United States and "the leader of the free world," as well as all the other men and women newly elected to represent us. These people have feelings too. I'd prefer that government and the people were respectful and accountable to one another, the people can not afford to be reliant upon our government's opinion of its needs.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist] 1
#23834206 - 11/14/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crumist said: I'd prefer that government and the people were respectful and accountable to one another...
"He's not my President" isn't terribly respectful. A new President was elected and people need to deal with it. Hence, the O.P. about what these protesters think they're doing.
Count me in the protests after Trump tries to push bad policy.
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He calls himself and signs his books "Dr." yet I can't find what his Ph.D is in.
Kinda like Obama calling himself "American"
***ya can't prove it's true, but can't really prove it's not either
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Kinda like Obama calling himself "American"
***ya can't prove it's true, but can't really prove it's not either 
Yes, it's EXACTLY like that. There is overwhelming evidence for both, but Crumist accepts the factual evidence, you choose to ignore it.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: Anyone could have started that change.org petition.
I just got a petition from my phone company asking me to sign a petition to the electoral college asking them to reject Donald Trump.
This is crazy.
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I highly doubt this will work. But you can bet that people will probably protest against this if it turned out the way they're trying to make it. If it were to work, I think I'd be joining my first protest.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
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I agree, the electoral college won't vote for Hillary. But the article in the OP gives a theory on why this might be happening.
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...the protests ... are pointless. The protests are happening for one reason only. The Oligarchy intends to delegitimize the Trump Presidency. Once President Trump is delegitimized, it will be easier for the Oligarchy to assassinate him. Unless the Oligarchy can appoint and control Trump’s government, Trump is a prime candidate for assassination. . . . Trump is being protested in order to make him vulnerable in the event he proves to be the threat to the Oligarchy that he is thought to be.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I agree, the electoral college won't vote for Hillary. But the article in the OP gives a theory on why this might be happening.
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...the protests ... are pointless. The protests are happening for one reason only. The Oligarchy intends to delegitimize the Trump Presidency. Once President Trump is delegitimized, it will be easier for the Oligarchy to assassinate him. Unless the Oligarchy can appoint and control Trump’s government, Trump is a prime candidate for assassination. . . . Trump is being protested in order to make him vulnerable in the event he proves to be the threat to the Oligarchy that he is thought to be.
Batshit. Trump is the oligarchy
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: djbluntmagic] 1
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Controlled opposition. Social media psyops. Lapdog media. Crisis actors.
Who knows whats legitimate and whats not anymore?
I think its obvious the Dem establishment is funding and encouraging these protests, but thats not to say there isnt a geniune American denouncing of the normalization of bigotry.
I know the issues are real. I know the potential solutions are real. I know there are people who would implement those would be solutuons. Everything and everyone else can get fucked. Nothing but white noise.
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Know what's hilarious to watch? Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, gays, etc. shutting down white liberals telling them what they should be offended by. They get this deer in the highlights look like they're thinking "Oh shit..it's not a white guy..what do I do now? I can't call him racist or a homophobe"
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
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I bet Obama will hold a big news conference on all the petitions against Trump
***hes a scared little man now
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
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Crumist said: Rounding up or millions of people without due process. Trying political opponents or journalists in kangaroo courts. Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad. Seizing liberated foreign assets as spoils of war.
Deporting illegals is going to happen, we already have the laws on the books, we are just going to enforce those laws.
Crumist said - "without due process"
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Nobody is going after political opponents or journalists, stop being hysterical.
How do you know this? are you in Trump's inside team? If you listen to the actual words that came out of his house, there is much to give people reason to believe he could do this...!
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"Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad"
Like Bush and Obama? Where has been your outrage?
Why the assumption there is no outrage at the atrocities under Bush and Obama?
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"spoils of war"
Well, the US has been nothing but a big loser in these wars, we are due for some "spoils".
really, qman?! There are spoils but its the elite reaping the rewards as always. Big oil and the arms industry, private security etc.
You just voted for a President who will surely expand this kind of profiting at the expense of the country as a whole.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
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Crumist said: I sympathize with the protestors. I accept that Trump was nominated president (losing the popular vote, but thats besides the point), but I want to make crystal clear that I'm not going to put up with some of the shit Trump has promised to do. These protests are part of the democratic process and would have been were Hillary elected.
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The Ecstatic said: Controlled opposition. Social media psyops. Lapdog media. Crisis actors.
Who knows whats legitimate and whats not anymore?
I think its obvious the Dem establishment is funding and encouraging these protests, but thats not to say there isnt a geniune American denouncing of the normalization of bigotry.
I know the issues are real. I know the potential solutions are real. I know there are people who would implement those would be solutuons. Everything and everyone else can get fucked. Nothing but white noise.
I agree with these two posts.
No doubt there is some encouragement of protests but there should be huge protests anyway. Democratic elites have plenty of motive. I'm confused by talk of getting Clinton into the whitehouse in December by overturning the electoral college thing. Sounds like people are grasping at straws with that argument. I thought the electoral college rule would only change with the consent of the majority of states but many states are happy with their position.
Trump supporters voted for a different part of the establishment. Look at Trump's insider team - full of lobbyists. Trump and Clinton used to mingle in the same circles, they are of the same ilk of the 1%.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Tipote] 1
#23836083 - 11/15/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tipote said: I'm confused by talk of getting Clinton into the whitehouse in December by overturning the electoral college thing. Sounds like people are grasping at straws with that argument. I thought the electoral college rule would only change with the consent of the majority of states but many states are happy with their position.
Exactly, so I'm wondering why is this being pushed so hard? Dr. Paul Craig Roberts offered one explanation. I can't think of any others. 
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Tipote said: Look at Trump's insider team - full of lobbyists. Trump and Clinton used to mingle in the same circles, they are of the same ilk of the 1%.
Ya, I would think both sides would be against this.
...which made me think of another reason for why the anti Trump protests are being pushed. To ensure the masses on the left and right never work together to stop this from happening.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Tipote]
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Crumist said: Rounding up or millions of people without due process. Trying political opponents or journalists in kangaroo courts. Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad. Seizing liberated foreign assets as spoils of war.
Deporting illegals is going to happen, we already have the laws on the books, we are just going to enforce those laws.
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Nobody is going after political opponents or journalists, stop being hysterical.
How do you know this? are you in Trump's inside team? If you listen to the actual words that came out of his house, there is much to give people reason to believe he could do this...!
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"Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad"
Like Bush and Obama? Where has been your outrage?
Why the assumption there is no outrage at the atrocities under Bush and Obama?
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"spoils of war"
Well, the US has been nothing but a big loser in these wars, we are due for some "spoils".
really, qman?! There are spoils but its the elite reaping the rewards as always. Big oil and the arms industry, private security etc.
You just voted for a President who will surely expand this kind of profiting at the expense of the country as a whole.
"without due process"
It might not match up to some people's standards, I wouldn't worry about it.
"You just voted for a President who will surely expand this kind of profiting at the expense of the country as a whole"
You mean even more than Obama? I highly doubt that.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman] 3
#23840106 - 11/16/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Soros has been funding these riots since Ferguson. His moveon dot org is connected to all of this. He's been blacklisted in Russia because they don't want him starting shit over there. Link to an old post covering it below. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22619172#22619172
Billionaire Globalist Soros Exposed as Hidden Hand Behind Trump Protests — Provoking US ‘Color Revolution’
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/soros-trump-protests-revolution/
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Washington, D.C. – Billionaire globalist financier George Soros’ MoveOn.org has been revealed to be a driving force behind the organizing of nationwide protests against the election of Donald Trump — exposing the protests to largely be an organized, top-down operation — and not an organic movement of concerned Americans taking to the streets as reported by the mainstream media.
Wednesday saw protests in the streets of at least 10 major U.S. cities. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, D.C., Portland, Ore., St. Paul, Minn., Seattle, and several other cities saw protests, according to USA Today.
In light of the protests and rioting that have transpired since the election of Trump, a closer analysis of the dynamic at play is warranted to gauge whether it’s an organic grassroots movement, or something much more organized, sophisticated and potentially dangerous.
Soros’ affiliated organization MoveOn.org released the following press release yesterday afternoon:
Americans to Come Together in Hundreds Peaceful Gatherings of Solidarity, Resistance, and Resolve Following Election Results
Hundreds of Americans, dozens of organizations to gather peacefully outside the White House and in cities and towns nationwide to take a continued stand against misogyny, racism, Islamophobia, and xenophobia.
Tonight, thousands of Americans will come together at hundreds of peaceful gatherings in cities and towns across the nation, including outside the White House, following the results of Tuesday’s presidential election.
The gatherings – organized by MoveOn.org and allies – will affirm a continued rejection of Donald Trump’s bigotry, xenophobia, Islamophobia, and misogyny and demonstrate our resolve to fight together for the America we still believe is possible.
Within two hours of the call-to-action, MoveOn members had created more than 200 gatherings nationwide, with the number continuing to grow on Wednesday afternoon.
Craigslist has ads for anti-Trump protesters
http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/staged-craigslist-has-ads-for-anti-trump-protesters/
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As violent anti-Trump riots head into Day 5, new evidence suggests the protests were staged by operatives paid to block traffic and hold up signs protesting Donald Trump‘s duly elected presidency.
A slew of Craigslists ads posted online across Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and other big cities are offering up to $1,500 a week for people to engage in “Stop Trump” movements.
Job duties include “blocking traffic,” and tout “no previous experience required,” so it’s perfect for unskilled or otherwise unemployed workers
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From March of this year Moveon.Org raising funds from Trump protests, warns more disruptions to come
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/13/moveonorg-raising-funds-from-trump-protests-warns-/
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Moveon.Org is conducting fundraising activities from the Chicago protests against Donald Trump that prompted the Republican presidential front-runner to cancel a rally there Friday, and promises that more disruptions are on the way.
“Last night, without consulting local police, Donald Trump abruptly cancelled a rally in Chicago in the face of massive and overwhelmingly peaceful student-led protests,” MoveOn.org wrote in an email Saturday to members. “We’re being flooded with aggressive emails and social media posts from Trump supporters. Some of them are threatening. We refuse to be intimidated by Donald Trump, Fox News, or anyone else.”
Pipeline protests too. Craigslist Ad Offers Money To Protest Dakota Access Pipeline
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/16/craigslist-ad-offers-money-to-protest-dakota-access-pipeline/
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A call for paid demonstrators at the Standing Rock protest campsite caught the eye of law enforcement and local North Dakota media outlets Wednesday.
A Craigslist ad posted early Wednesday morning asked for protesters who want to to be paid to meet at the West Acres Mall Friday and “shut it down.”
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Astral Pain]
#23840780 - 11/17/16 05:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No surprise there,
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Astral Pain] 2
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Promoting peaceful gatherings and civil disobedience?!
I shudder at the future if this is allowed to continue.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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You think it's all peaceful? Still? Have you been paying any attention at all?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Promoting peaceful gatherings and civil disobedience?!
I shudder at the future if this is allowed to continue.
But should monetary compensation be used as an incentive for those protests? It seems to destroy the credibility and integrity of the movement.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence] 3
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Eminence said: You think it's all peaceful? Still? Have you been paying any attention at all?
I said promoting peaceful gatherings.
Who's not paying attention?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman] 1
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The Ecstatic said: Promoting peaceful gatherings and civil disobedience?!
I shudder at the future if this is allowed to continue.
But should monetary compensation be used as an incentive for those protests? It seems to destroy the credibility and integrity of the movement.
Why not?
The free market suddenly is unethical?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
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The indoctrination happening at schools needs to stop before the use of Soros's money is no longer needed to fund these riots. I just heard of this bill now, but it's nice to see the current state of denial being used to make some needed changes. Stop funding 'safe space' training activities. "Never let a crisis go to waste" has become "never let a FAKE crisis go to waste". It's a free for all goofing on the current media mayhem, which is now an embarrassment to watch let alone buy into.
Iowa Lawmaker Introduces ‘Suck It Up, Buttercup’ Bill in Response to Election-Related Protests
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/15/iowa-lawmaker-introduces-suck-buttercup-bill-response-election-related-protests/
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An Iowa lawmaker has one thing to say to state universities that spend taxpayer dollars on election-related sit-ins and grief counseling: “Suck it up, buttercup.”
“I’ve seen four or five schools in other states that are establishing ‘cry zones’ where they’re staffed by state grief counselors and kids can come cry out their sensitivity to the election results,” said Rep. Bobby Kaufmann (R-Wilton) to the Des Moines Register. “I find this whole hysteria to be incredibly annoying. People have the right to be hysterical … on their own time.”
Kaufmann plans to introduce new legislation in January that he calls the “suck it up, buttercup” bill.
Election-Related Protests Inspire ‘Suck It Up, Buttercup’ Law
Republican Iowa Representative Bobby Kaufmann is planning to introduce new legislation in January that will cut the budgets of state-funded universities that spend taxpayer dollars on election related protests and grief counseling. Pet a pony in a 'cry zone' when you can't pay your mortgage.
Oh, might as well post what I came here for.
Most Anti-Trump Protesters Arrested Didn't Vote
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/more-than-half-of-arrested-anti-trump-protesters-didnt-vote/351964445
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PORTLAND, Ore. — Most of the 112 protesters arrested in Portland last week didn’t vote in Oregon, according to state election records. Approximately 30 percent did cast a ballot in Oregon or in another state.
At least seventy-nine demonstrators either didn’t turn in a ballot or weren’t registered to vote in the state.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Promoting peaceful gatherings and civil disobedience?!
I shudder at the future if this is allowed to continue.
But should monetary compensation be used as an incentive for those protests? It seems to destroy the credibility and integrity of the movement.
Why not?
The free market suddenly is unethical?
The day someone has to hire political activists to participate in their movement is the day the movement has failed. If you can't understand that reality, you're in denial.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
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I can't confirm(yet)the burying accusation in the title, but it wouldn't surprise me.
WE FOUND IT! The 60 Minutes Interview George Soros Tried To Bury!
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
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But has it failed, or is it gaining steam? 
Hence my OP.
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The Ecstatic said: Promoting peaceful gatherings and civil disobedience?!
I shudder at the future if this is allowed to continue.
But should monetary compensation be used as an incentive for those protests? It seems to destroy the credibility and integrity of the movement.
Why not?
The free market suddenly is unethical?
The day someone has to hire political activists to participate in their movement is the day the movement has failed. If you can't understand that reality, you're in denial.
So every political movement ever to exist has failed, by that metric.
You realize both major parties are corporations, right? The Kochs funded the tea party. The NRA funds pro 2nd marches. Etc etc etc.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Promoting peaceful gatherings and civil disobedience?!
I shudder at the future if this is allowed to continue.
But should monetary compensation be used as an incentive for those protests? It seems to destroy the credibility and integrity of the movement.
Why not?
The free market suddenly is unethical?
The day someone has to hire political activists to participate in their movement is the day the movement has failed. If you can't understand that reality, you're in denial.
So every political movement ever to exist has failed, by that metric.
You realize both major parties are corporations, right? The Kochs funded the tea party. The NRA funds pro 2nd marches. Etc etc etc.
And who do you think funds the democrats?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Promoting peaceful gatherings and civil disobedience?!
I shudder at the future if this is allowed to continue.
But should monetary compensation be used as an incentive for those protests? It seems to destroy the credibility and integrity of the movement.
Why not?
The free market suddenly is unethical?
The day someone has to hire political activists to participate in their movement is the day the movement has failed. If you can't understand that reality, you're in denial.
So every political movement ever to exist has failed, by that metric.
You realize both major parties are corporations, right? The Kochs funded the tea party. The NRA funds pro 2nd marches. Etc etc etc.
Yes, but you can't fund real passionate activists, it doesn't work that way.
Bernie and Trump supporters were truly willing to go the extra mile to make their goal happen, money can't accomplish that mission.
Even the retards in BLM's are passionate about their movement, they're misguided but committed.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
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qman said: Even the retards in BLM's are passionate about their movement, they're misguided but committed.
So black lives don't matter?
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qman said: Even the retards in BLM's are passionate about their movement, they're misguided but committed.
So black lives don't matter?
The movement started based on misinformation and a false premise.
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That black lives matter? 
I must have missed a thread on this.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That black lives matter? 
I must have missed a thread on this.
That Michael Brown was killed by a cop for no reason other than him being a black man.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That black lives matter? 
I must have missed a thread on this.
Playing dumb? That's so not like you
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The Ecstatic said: You realize both major parties are corporations, right? The Kochs funded the tea party. The NRA funds pro 2nd marches. Etc etc etc.
And who do you think funds the democrats?
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He did say "both major parties" I'd say pretty much the same people that are funding the GOP, plus maybe labor. What about you?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Even the retards in BLM's are passionate about their movement, they're misguided but committed.
So black lives don't matter?
Falcon, you can't assume intended that, thats being tricky. But I would also be curious how qman would direct the BLM movement differently?
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qman said: The movement started based on misinformation and a false premise.
That black lives matter? 
I must have missed a thread on this.
That Michael Brown was killed by a cop for no reason other than him being a black man.
Actually, the BLM movement started after the Trayvon Martin shooting, but gained steam after Michael Brown and other unarmed black men were shot.
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The Ecstatic said: You realize both major parties are corporations, right? The Kochs funded the tea party. The NRA funds pro 2nd marches. Etc etc etc.
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He did say "both major parties" I'd say pretty much the same people that are funding the GOP, plus maybe labor. What about you?
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So black lives don't matter?
Falcon, you can't assume intended that, thats being tricky. But I would also be curious how qman would direct the BLM movement differently?

If an organization has issue with specific cases of police abuse of power, they need to make sure it actually took place and not prejudge before the facts come out (like Zimmerman and Brown).
The organization should also not make it about race, it only lowers the credibility of the movement. All sorts of demographics are affected by police abuse, there no point in suggesting otherwise.
The organization should also avoid creating a false narrative, unjustifiable killings of civilians is a very rare event, it's not a epidemic.
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Thats your opinion. When white people endure centuries of oppression, you can be sure to start your awareness movement on those guidelines.
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Its easy for a suburban white American male to say "dont make it about race" when race has never been an obstruction for you or any one of your peers.
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What would you tell black people who disagree with that statement? Plenty of black people have made great lives for themselves despite all the "oppression."
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The Ecstatic said: Thats your opinion. When white people endure centuries of oppression, you can be sure to start your awareness movement on those guidelines.
"Thats your opinion"
No, the statistics clearly back up what I'm stating, BLM created a false narrative and unjustifiable police killing are NOT an epidemic.
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The Ecstatic said: Its easy for a suburban white American male to say "dont make it about race" when race has never been an obstruction for you or any one of your peers.
All demographics are affected by police abuse, suggesting that only black lives matter is offensive and clearly ineffective in trying to address the underlying issue.
Should we also say males lives matter? Because they are massively disproportional victims of police abuse relative to females, what about younger lives matter?
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Have you noticed that intelligent black people are way less likely to support BLM than dumb black people are? I sure have.
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Eminence said: Have you noticed that intelligent black people are way less likely to support BLM than dumb black people are? I sure have.
Absolutely, have you noticed that intelligent white people are less likely to support BLM than dumb white people?
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Yup. Thankfully most people seem to realize how bullshit it really is.
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Eminence said: What would you tell black people who disagree with that statement? Plenty of black people have made great lives for themselves despite all the "oppression."
Oh, well then I guess nothing's wrong.
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The Ecstatic said: Thats your opinion. When white people endure centuries of oppression, you can be sure to start your awareness movement on those guidelines.
"Thats your opinion"
No, the statistics clearly back up what I'm stating, BLM created a false narrative and unjustifiable police killing are NOT an epidemic.
Well I'll be sure to tell them to stand by until their systematic killing meets what you would consider an epidemic.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
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The Ecstatic said: Thats your opinion. When white people endure centuries of oppression, you can be sure to start your awareness movement on those guidelines.
"Thats your opinion"
No, the statistics clearly back up what I'm stating, BLM created a false narrative and unjustifiable police killing are NOT an epidemic.
Well I'll be sure to tell them to stand by until their systematic killing meets what you would consider an epidemic.
Oh, there's an epidemic, but it's black on black violent crime, but BLM doesn't want to talk about that issue.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426702/statistics-trump-slogans-police-killings-black-men-deroy-murdock
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You're right there is a lot of black-on-black violence. And a lot of white-on-white violence. Actually, there is a lot of violence in this country to start with. And there are proposed solutions that each are there own respective bags of worms: ending the drug war, reforming our gun law, schooling and counseling for prisoners, de-militarizing the police.
That doesn't make concern over how our police are behaving any less of a concern. They are supposed to uphold the law, but they often act above it. An officer was able to shoot a man dead and his department doesn't even have to report the incident. The officer is taken at his word and there isn't the faintest wiff of an investigation. And the fucking "thin blue line." Can't you imagine what a hombre malo could get away with in that position?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
#23845584 - 11/18/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, the US has been nothing but a big loser in these wars, we are due for some "spoils".
the impotence and sadness... is astounding. aww, you didn't get your "spoils" when you blew up Vietnam? Kuwait?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: You're right there is a lot of black-on-black violence. And a lot of white-on-white violence. Actually, there is a lot of violence in this country to start with. And there are proposed solutions that each are there own respective bags of worms: ending the drug war, reforming our gun law, schooling and counseling for prisoners, de-militarizing the police.
That doesn't make concern over how our police are behaving any less of a concern. They are supposed to uphold the law, but they often act above it. An officer was able to shoot a man dead and his department doesn't even have to report the incident. The officer is taken at his word and there isn't the faintest wiff of an investigation. And the fucking "thin blue line." Can't you imagine what a hombre malo could get away with in that position?
Thankfully we already have a system to place to address police abuse of power.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/philando-castile-shooting-manslaughter-charge-filed-against-officer-black-driver-n684771
Is it a perfect system? No, but at least it works in many cases.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
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qman said: Even the retards in BLM's are passionate about their movement, they're misguided but committed.
So black lives don't matter?
The movement started based on misinformation and a false premise.
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf
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Is it a perfect system? No, but at least it works in many cases.
so let's stop thinking.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Well, the US has been nothing but a big loser in these wars, we are due for some "spoils".
the impotence and sadness... is astounding. aww, you didn't get your "spoils" when you blew up Vietnam? Kuwait?
Maybe we did, but it's very difficult to quantify it.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
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Eminence said: What would you tell black people who disagree with that statement? Plenty of black people have made great lives for themselves despite all the "oppression."
they have their own self-interests to take into account and not all black people think the same way.
is that a good enough answer?
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Maybe we did, but it's very difficult to quantify it.
so you feel you need to quantify some more spoils, just cause muh reasons. k, gotchya.
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Eminence said: Have you noticed that intelligent black people are way less likely to support BLM than dumb black people are? I sure have.
that sounds like mere confirmation bias. they are intelligent because they don't join BLM...so they could be half-retarded, but they still would be "more intelligent" based on a, frankly, arbitrary decision.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Is it a perfect system? No, but at least it works in many cases.
This entire incident from traffic stop through this indictment. You can indict a ham sandwich, but apparently not the whole pig! We the civilians can be indicted on the slimmest shred of evidence, is within the context of BLM. I'd argue it because of Black Lives Matter that civilian oversight boards have been established and the prosecution team has stepped up to the plate.
Back to the OP, the plot thickens, maybe this is "conspiracy theory" board stuff. But Julian Assange may have gone missing?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
#23847528 - 11/19/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obama: No, I’m Not Going To Tell These Anti-Trump Protestors Who Didn’t Vote To Shut Up
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In a joint press conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, outgoing President Barack Obama said that he wasn’t going to tell anti-Trump protestors to remain silent. The Left’s temper tantrum against President-elect Trump has been raging for days, with some devolving into riots. Obama noted that he has also been protested by the Right, and that protesting those in power is as American as apple pie (via The Hill):
President Obama won’t try to call off protests against Donald Trump, he said Thursday, ignoring pleas from the president-elect’s advisers to denounce the nationwide demonstrations.
“I would not advise people who feel strongly or are concerned about some of the issues that have been raised over the course of the campaign, I would not advise them to be silent,” Obama said during a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
Obama said protests are just something Trump would have to get used to as the leader of the free world.
“I’ve been the subject of protests during the course of my eight years,” he said. “And I suspect that there’s not a president in our history that hasn’t been subject to these protests.”
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Astral Pain]
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Why would a sitting president condemn peaceful protestors? Especially ones who invariably love him and are protesting his opposition?
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The Ecstatic said: Why would a sitting president condemn peaceful protestors? Especially ones who invariably love him and are protesting his opposition?
Peaceful?
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Because they're not all peaceful protestors..Jesus man, that's been said multiple times already if I'm not mistaken. One of the reasons we're finding out so many of them didn't vote is because they've been getting arrest for not being peaceful.
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The Ecstatic said: Why would a sitting president condemn peaceful protestors? Especially ones who invariably love him and are protesting his opposition?
Peaceful?
***only in liberal lala land
Can't wait til someone just gets tired of being cut off in their cars and threatened and just plows through these people.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
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Run the assholes over, I'm not getting killed in my car with the transmission in park.
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Eminence said: Because they're not all peaceful protestors..Jesus man, that's been said multiple times already if I'm not mistaken. One of the reasons we're finding out so many of them didn't vote is because they've been getting arrest for not being peaceful.
So whats your point?
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qman said: Run the assholes over, I'm not getting killed in my car with the transmission in park. 
Vehicular manslaughter. More honorable than civil disobedience.
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Eminence said: Because they're not all peaceful protestors..Jesus man, that's been said multiple times already if I'm not mistaken. One of the reasons we're finding out so many of them didn't vote is because they've been getting arrest for not being peaceful.
So whats your point?
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qman said: Run the assholes over, I'm not getting killed in my car with the transmission in park. 
Vehicular manslaughter. More honorable than civil disobedience.
So you would let your girlfriend/wife get assaulted or killed in her car without any response?
BTW, you can't kidnap a person in their car, driving away to save your life isn't a crime.
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The peaceful ones are still stupid IMO, but don't you think Obama or Hillary should at least condemn the violence? Or is violence peaceful to you as long as you guys both support the same cause?
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Vehicular manslaughter. More honorable than civil disobedience.
You would just let your car get bashed in and be threatened by dozens of people surrounding you? What if you were on your way to an emergency and these idiots were holding you there? You think there's anything honorable at all in blocking people from going where they need to be because they got their feelings hurt?
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More honorable than trying to kill people for inconveniencing you
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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THe ignorance is astounding, he would prolly say the same if someone was raping his daughter,
***itll be okay honey, it's just a little inconvenience
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: More honorable than trying to kill people for inconveniencing you
Not interested in killing anyone, if they get injured it's on them though, you don't fucking stand in front of cars that have places to be. People don't want to lose their jobs because of protesters, people don't wanna miss the birth of their kid because of protesters, people don't want to be blocked by protesters on the way to an emergency etc. You don't know where people are going when you try to block them on the streets, don't fucking do it. Especially don't smash their car windows with a bat and harass them while blocking them. We all know you would be singing a different tune if these were people were against Hillary if she won.
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So you will just take it up the ass, your GF/wife must cherish your manhood.
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So you will just take it up the ass, your GF/wife must cherish your manhood. 
The only people allowed to be violent are liberals
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
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lol you have raging insecurities.
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no one is allowed to be violent until they get sent overseas to secure WMDs.
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So you will just take it up the ass, your GF/wife must cherish your manhood. 
you need more cuck kool-aid; really drown yourself in it; control those desires and projections.
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Eminence said: We all know you would be singing a different tune if these were people were against Hillary if she won.
a different tune about what? his belief in the right to protest and civil disobedience. the very thing that America was founded on, rebellion?
is that what shit you're trying to get at?
boy, maybe America shouldn't be so ironic!
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no one is allowed to be violent until they get sent overseas to secure WMDs.

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THe ignorance is astounding, he would prolly say the same if someone was raping his daughter,
***itll be okay honey, it's just a little inconvenience
is this really allowed? this is perfectly legit and totally non-violent posting? raping his daughter? really?
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Holy shit Akira have you not been reading anything? I don't care if people protest the right way..I'm talking about the people blocking streets, attacking people and destroying property. The 1st amendment does not cover that. I was saying if Trump supporters were doing that to Hillary supporters if she won, we all know he'd be saying all kinds of shit about Trump's supporters. And I was saying those were the kinds of people Hillary or Obama should be condemning but I haven't heard them say anything about that yet.
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that never happened, though, did it?
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Eminence said: The peaceful ones are still stupid IMO, but don't you think Obama or Hillary should at least condemn the violence? Or is violence peaceful to you as long as you guys both support the same cause?
anti-Obama protest in Chicago, 2006
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Eminence said: Holy shit Akira have you not been reading anything? I don't care if people protest the right way..I'm talking about the people blocking streets, attacking people and destroying property. The 1st amendment does not cover that.
you're right, the restriction of movement is unconstitutional. but protests are not. bring it up with the founding fathers for encouraging rebellion? 
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And I was saying those were the kinds of people Hillary or Obama should be condemning but I haven't heard them say anything about that yet.
sure. but expecting everyone to denounce the protesting, in general, is what some people are asking for, and when they don't get their way, they call them "violent", which is absurd.
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I love the white nationalist allusion that allowing the "others" to have rights is akin to allowing your wife to be raped in front of you.
This metaphor is used everywhere. Even when driving past protestors in your car.
"But what if one of them spidermans in your sunroof and rapes your family as you drive by?!" Absolutely ridiculous the shit you people are afraid of.
And lets be clear: this all stems from your fear.
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The Ecstatic said: I love the white nationalist allusion that allowing the "others" to have rights is akin to allowing your wife to be raped in front of you.
This metaphor is used everywhere. Even when driving past protestors in your car.
"But what if one of them spidermans in your sunroof and rapes your family as you drive by?!" Absolutely ridiculous the shit you people are afraid of.
And lets be clear: this all stems from your fear.
No, it stems from being treated like shit from the left and told to "deal with it"
Protestors have the right to protest, they don't have the right to block streets or throw bottles and attack people, I don't care how many times the left says they do, they fucking don't.
***a fine example is the guy who works a 15 hour shift and just wants to go home and see his family and rest. Why are his rights "trumped" by people throwing a hissy fit in the street?
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The Ecstatic said: More honorable than trying to kill people for inconveniencing you
THe ignorance is astounding, he would prolly say the same if someone was raping his daughter,
***itll be okay honey, it's just a little inconvenience
is this really allowed? this is perfectly legit and totally non-violent posting? raping his daughter? really?
I'm sure if you cry about it, Enlil will be by shortly enough to ban me
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no one said they do. you need put on your brain before you talk sensibly. can you do so?
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Enlil will baby you, and probably ban me. i always get banned here for telling you people exactly how you're being idiots. one toke over the line and i'm banned. not you. you can say "would you like your daughters to get raped!" and be perfectly fine...you can insult and flame, and spam, and you're fine. don't worry about it.
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Both of you are retarded. I can't believe you don't see where I'm coming from. Protesting? Fine..Blocking people from getting where they need to be, destroying property and attacking people? Not fine. Get this through your fucking heads.
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#23848509 - 11/19/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Both of you are retarded. I can't believe you don't see where I'm coming from. Protesting? Fine..Blocking people from getting where they need to be, destroying property and attacking people? Not fine. Get this through your fucking heads.
Yeah we've all been on board with that since go.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23848517 - 11/19/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doesn't sound like it. Maybe I missed some of your posts but it sounds like you guys have been trying to justify them doing that and continuing to say "what's wrong with protesting?" whenever I mention that not all of them are doing it peacefully.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23848519 - 11/19/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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well, painting in broad strokes often causes confusion and ignorance. which is why i try and clean it up when i see it...but it keeps being perpetuated...and it's most Trump "fans" that are doing that. 
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Eminence said: Both of you are retarded. I can't believe you don't see where I'm coming from. Protesting? Fine..Blocking people from getting where they need to be, destroying property and attacking people? Not fine. Get this through your fucking heads.
wtf is wrong with you. seriously? don't even give me that bullshit if you can't read.
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you're right, the restriction of movement is unconstitutional. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23848439#23848439
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848532 - 11/19/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, you're right. That's absurd if people call them violent for not stopping the protests in general. Doesn't change the fact that neither of them have specifically mentioned the violent protesters though. That's all I'm concerned with. I don't care if people are protesting as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else. I'll just ignore them, no big deal.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence] 2
#23848556 - 11/19/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You seem to think that me calling a hit and run worse than blocking traffic means im condoning one over the other.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23848578 - 11/19/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Depends on where someone is going when they're being blocked Like I said I wouldn't be trying to kill anybody, my first response would probably just be to slowly accelerate through them, they'll get out the way. I can't blame someone for plowing through them though if they have an emergency.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848624 - 11/19/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't care how many times the left says they do
no one said they do. you need put on your brain before you talk sensibly. can you do so?
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hostileuniverse said: I'm sure if you cry about it, Enlil will be by shortly enough to ban me
Enlil will baby you, and probably ban me. i always get banned here for telling you people exactly how you're being idiots. one toke over the line and i'm banned. not you. you can say "would you like your daughters to get raped!" and be perfectly fine...you can insult and flame, and spam, and you're fine. don't worry about it.
Dude, I got banned for spelling the E C S T A T I C 's name wrong, don't fucking tell me I don't get banned for BS
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23848820 - 11/19/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trump fans were ready to take to the streets to protest not only the jailing of Hillary Clinton, but the killing of Hillary Clinton...and i'm not going to assume that violent people, whom promote rhetoric to "get rid of the liberals, they are like a virus" are not going to also go after their enemies on the left.
of course, NOT ALL Trump fans...but you get the idea.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848869 - 11/19/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, well if they did do that I would be saying the same thing to them too.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23848877 - 11/19/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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good. it's a rather common human trait to be crazed plates. not just a commonality in liberal coalitions, but also republican as well.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23848925 - 11/19/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not to mention partisanship isnt going into hibernation when your side wins.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23849161 - 11/19/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I love the white nationalist allusion that allowing the "others" to have rights is akin to allowing your wife to be raped in front of you.
This metaphor is used everywhere. Even when driving past protestors in your car.
"But what if one of them spidermans in your sunroof and rapes your family as you drive by?!" Absolutely ridiculous the shit you people are afraid of.
And lets be clear: this all stems from your fear.
Nobody fears peaceful protests, they do fear human road blocks and people pounding on their vehicles.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman] 1
#23849749 - 11/19/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's a Trump protester trying to step in front of cars on the highway, it didn't workout very well.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman] 1
#23849762 - 11/19/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i need to get work, my five to nine is calling and i gotta buy diapers, my kid is sick, and i'm in dire need a wank, GET OUTTA MY WAY!!@!
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23852887 - 11/20/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23853062 - 11/21/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've heard it was a lie. can someone confirm that story of the woman in the ambulance from any other source? i'm just curious....it seems like a pretty easy story to perpetuate, i just wanna know if it's accurate, that someone died due to that blockade, or if the story is...for lack of a better term...trumped up.
also: speculatory?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23853093 - 11/21/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Huh? It was a man..and did you not see the ambulance being blocked off and hear it's emergency sirens going off? You had to have seen that if you watched the video..
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23853121 - 11/21/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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what are you on about?
the man, woman, whatever, i thought it was a woman, according to what i had heard from the grapevine. (correction: father of a 4-year old girl -- i forgot the age of the girl, not to mention the actual person in question -- this was acquired from outside sources, so my memory was a bit fuzzy, as i didn't really question it outside of that interaction.)
and yes, yes i saw the video...i saw the ambulance being blocked, hence my use of the term "blockade".
can you confirm the story as being factual...i repeat....
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cause that's all i'm asking. it's not all that important to me, either way. it's just another story in a slew of stories, to me.
of course, i could do my own digging, and i'll i see it...right-wing news outlets and a snopes article...take a guess what the snopes article says...it says it's unproven, that's what it says.
PS: on a completely separate note: here is Fox reporting on a Trump protester getting shot by someone from their car. yay!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/12/one-person-shot-during-anti-trump-protest-in-portland.html
PPS: and to even things out: here is a story from a "Christian Times" source, of a Trump supporter being gunned and killed in Chicago.
http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-black-trump-supporter-shot-and-killed-by-chicago-protesters/
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23853125 - 11/21/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Confirm what? That it's a real ambulance? That someone actually died likely because of this blockade?
You have video proof that people were blocking off ambulances with their emergency sirens on..would it really make that much of a difference if someone died or not? Someone was clearly in an emergency and these assholes were dancing in front of the ambulance.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence] 1
#23853133 - 11/21/16 01:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Confirm what? That it's a real ambulance?
is that supposed to be clever?
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That someone actually died likely because of this blockade?
yeah. precisely.
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You have video proof that people were blocking off ambulances with their emergency sirens on..would it really make that much of a difference if someone died or not? Someone was clearly in an emergency and these assholes were dancing in front of the ambulance.
yes, it'd make a difference to the "a guy died and left behind his 4-yr old daughter, due to protesters blocking entrance to hospital" story, yeah. no shit.
the assholes can always be made to look worse than they are...i am simply looking for confirmation. and asking that, "if anyone has any information, let me know, post it."
what is so hard to comprehend?
that i'm not taking sides in this mess?
can i ask stupid questions now?
PS: on a side note, here is a story about how some outlets have faked a news story concerning the beating of a homeless man by anti-Trump protesters.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Fake-online-story-claims-homeless-Philly-man-beaten-by-anti-Trump-protesters.html
see why i don't just buy every bit of bullshit that comes my way, and don't take sides? 
PPS: to note: i've been seeing story after story of people making up shit about people dying from protests blocking traffic (BLM protests), when that shit ain't real.
here's one example (i should have kept track of the couple of other examples) [yeah, story after story, in the literal sense, one after another...but here's one, i am not going back to look for the others, and i'm not doing this all day. but i'm gonna make my point anyway]
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/32418588/post-claiming-child-died-during-i-40-bridge-protest-debunked
so as you can see...twitter posts can and should be taken with a grain of salt, until confirmation from officials are released.
and that is what the "father dies" story stems from...a tweet. who knows the motivations behind the tweet, considering how easily people are willing to lie, i can't be sure of anything, at this particular time, unless we have more than the vaguest of confirmation from singular Twitter sources.
did anyone even confirm that the guy who tweeted the message about the father, and his 4-year old daughter, was a doctor working at that hospital? i'm willing to bet that people just took it at it's word (the tweets) that the guy was a doctor...doctor Tweets-alot-on-call, apparently.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23853167 - 11/21/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Still looking for confirmation that someone died, haven't found any that nobody did either. Wouldn't be surprised if this story isn't covered on the news either. My other point still remains though, even if nobody died, it really doesn't matter that much because it was still an emergency and it could have just as easily been someone who was in lethal condition being blocked off on the way to the hospital. In my opinion they're just as wrong because they had no idea what the situation was in the back of that ambulance.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23853175 - 11/21/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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point taken. protests are an ugly side of politics, and often it gets out of control and people block traffic (these people in particular were dumb, and if anyone lost their life, i'd charge them with manslaughter)...but if no one protests, everyone gets the shaft. tell me...honestly now. if Trump lost, would there not have been protests? tell me your honest opinion.
(whoa, actually, you don't have to answer that. i'm getting way to political here...i need a joint.)
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23853670 - 11/21/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Considering how much people who voted for Trump hate Hillary, I'm sure there would've been. I said before on this thread though that I would feel the same way about them if they were doing stuff like this.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23853746 - 11/21/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Considering how much people who voted for Trump hate Hillary, I'm sure there would've been. I said before on this thread though that I would feel the same way about them if they were doing stuff like this.
yes, now i recall that, actually. it was late last night.
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