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ge filter debate !
    #23831211 - 11/14/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know this topic has been covered. Out of the big 6 ge for jars. Polyfil, micropore tape, sfd,  unmodified lids, felt, tyvek.  All have problems all have advantages.

P.S. my ranking 1.Polyfil 2.sfd 3. Tyvek 4. Felt 5. Tape 6. Unmodified lids


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: tump]
    #23831222 - 11/14/16 05:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

sfd=pro all others=6th-12th grade


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23831231 - 11/14/16 05:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I know this topic has been covered.




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All have problems all have advantages.





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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23831255 - 11/14/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey i happen to like beating a horse. No one counts failures with sfd or there high cost plus prep work.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: tump]
    #23831266 - 11/14/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i've posted about SFD failures….



pretty sure I even said that faulty filter discs are my biggest vector for mold a couple weeks ago.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: tump]
    #23831578 - 11/14/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

High cost of SFD ?
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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Chk] * 1
    #23831605 - 11/14/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i use a government grant printed on tyvek.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: mushboy]
    #23831612 - 11/14/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i have no trust in tyvek, too much prep for me.
SFD are so much reusable, it's really worth the (low)price


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Chk]
    #23831827 - 11/14/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I use those filter-patches you put under tables or chairs.
Idk what they're called but no contam out of my first 20 jars so far.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: TheShroomster01] * 1
    #23831850 - 11/14/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I use weaved nut hair from an alpaca.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23831878 - 11/14/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I use cotton balls through a hole in the metal lid. Crazy!


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23831887 - 11/14/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I switched from sfds to mp tape, got bit in the ass 1 too many times from them. 3 pieces of mp tape before going into the pc and 1 added after the cycle, still colonize a quart jar in 8-10 days (g2g)  sfds I feel break down after so many cycles and kick you right in the nuts out of nowhere. I like the mp tape because I'm using brand new filter material every cycle :shrug:


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23831888 - 11/14/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I use cotton balls through a hole in the metal lid. Crazy!




Revolutionary shit! You should totally tell that to people!


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #23831890 - 11/14/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

you get any contam with the tape? I am thinking of making this change, just not fond of the poly fill blobs on my jars.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23831901 - 11/14/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty much flawless since he swithched...knock on wood lol


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23831960 - 11/14/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I use cotton balls through a hole in the metal lid. Crazy!




Revolutionary shit! You should totally tell that to people!




Ha...I figured I'd catch some shit for that!  I used to use glass wool in the lab way back when but didn't have any on hand so just used cotton.  I've used poly and it sucks in my opinion...I just don't like it.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23831968 - 11/14/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I use cotton balls through a hole in the metal lid. Crazy!




Revolutionary shit! You should totally tell that to people!




Ha...I figured I'd catch some shit for that!  I used to use glass wool in the lab way back when but didn't have any on hand so just used cotton.  I've used poly and it sucks in my opinion...I just don't like it.





What the hell if one can get away with it.  :headbang:


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23832079 - 11/14/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wont a bleach solution soak remedy contamination problems with SFD's?


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: frankwhite85]
    #23832093 - 11/14/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Wont a bleach solution soak remedy contamination problems with SFD's?




No. The problem with most filter materials is that the pores expand after multiple cycles in the PC. Some like SFD can last for 30 runs or so while others like tyvek is good for only one use.

For SFD users an easy test to see if your filters are still up to the task is to use the lids on no pour agar jars then leave them uninoculated. If contams show the filter is done.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23832164 - 11/14/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Damn why does RR say SFD's are infinitely reusable?


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: frankwhite85]
    #23832217 - 11/14/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Because its old info even vendor's say they last forever. The only reason i put polyfil in front of the others is the speed on which i can do it mixed with the cost a bag of 14.99 Polyfil makes 1250 +/- 30 jars. And no silcone cost, with tyvek, felt, sfd your placing it a day ahead. Takes all the fun out of 90 jars of spawn need to be make today.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: tump]
    #23832247 - 11/14/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have those 1/16th inch thick sfd's from mycosupply and they've definitely had over 30 pc runs.  guess its time to order again.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: tump]
    #23832259 - 11/14/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Tump, you need to use f-ing bags! Why on earth would you spend that much time and labor on making spawn jars when we have already developed techniques of producing mass amounts of spawn with only 1/3 of the labor and materials.

If you want to know what is BEST, take no further look than the commercial spawn industry.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23832295 - 11/14/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cause most people don't run enough to wear em out.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23832320 - 11/14/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

thanks again for your input pasty your like a guardian angel haha so do you have like a schedule of when you know to order more SFD's or do you always do that agar test when you start seeing contam?


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23832390 - 11/14/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think bags are efficient for people not making lots of spawn, but people like trump making hundreds of jars, or even if you run more than 50 it's an absolute service to yourself to move to bags.
However, if you do run a shit ton of jars SFD's are the way to go, both for ease and reliability.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23832444 - 11/14/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I run alot of spawn, not an insane amount but a decent amount. Like maybe 80-100 every month or 2. I like jars for a couple reasons. They are re usable, so not having to worry about buyng more is a plus and if something went wrong as far as contams go, instead of 1 quart jar of spawn going to shit you have an entire bag of spawn gone to shit.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23832533 - 11/14/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Wont a bleach solution soak remedy contamination problems with SFD's?




No. The problem with most filter materials is that the pores expand after multiple cycles in the PC. Some like SFD can last for 30 runs or so while others like tyvek is good for only one use.

For SFD users an easy test to see if your filters are still up to the task is to use the lids on no pour agar jars then leave them uninoculated. If contams show the filter is done.



In your opinion, how many runs should one get from poly?
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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23832583 - 11/14/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Never used poly so I honestly don't know.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23832705 - 11/14/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Poly is only good for two runs if keep dry and grain free. I have a very high spore load so they only last between 55 to 70 days before contams sneak in. Even twice used sfd last me 90 to 100 days before failure. I always leave a half full jar not inoculated each big run just to see when it contams and how.


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    #23832728 - 11/14/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm:

complete bullshit. your shit fails because you dont know healthy myc from cotton candy tump.

also the reason he says such crazy high jar numbers is to look cool and skilled. do yourself a favor and never listen to a word he says, or simply do the opposite of what he says.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: frankwhite85]
    #23832921 - 11/14/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Where does he state that?


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: TheShroomster01] * 1
    #23833010 - 11/14/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't done so many jars yet to give a good advice, but I can tell that I'm happy with Polyfil or other pillow stuffing. Its good, its cheap and I don't care about reusability. After every PC Cycle I change the polyfil. One bag cost me 12$, will last a year at least.

Why risk the much more valuable rye, mycelium and agar to save some cents for the polyfil change :smile:


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    #23833053 - 11/14/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

because stuffing holes as tightly as you need to is fuckin tiresome work.
they last 10+ runs easily. then they just look and feel too worn out for my liking, probably still good to use another dozen times.


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    #23833074 - 11/14/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I haven't done so many jars yet to give a good advice, but I can tell that I'm happy with Polyfil or other pillow stuffing. Its good, its cheap and I don't care about reusability. After every PC Cycle I change the polyfil. One bag cost me 12$, will last a year at least.

Why risk the much more valuable rye, mycelium and agar to save some cents for the polyfil change :smile:



I don't even change mine:lolsy:


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    #23833166 - 11/14/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

there ya go! :thumbup:
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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: spacechildo]
    #23833280 - 11/14/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Haha i think it depends on the number of jars :laugh:

with my all in all 16 Jars it's not so much work :wink:

But yes, I will reuse them in future at least a couple of times.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23833327 - 11/14/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

if its not much work you're not stuffing the holes tight enough.
or you have some great tools and I'd like to learn whatever tips you got :lol:


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: spacechildo]
    #23833948 - 11/14/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've used these only a few times, I stuff em tight (like my wife) and trim em up so it stays tidy.
Good to know.  When the wife gives me some extra allowance I'll grab a pack of sfds, maybe.
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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: spacechildo]
    #23834164 - 11/14/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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complete bullshit. your shit fails because you dont know healthy myc from cotton candy tump.

also the reason he says such crazy high jar numbers is to look cool and skilled. do yourself a favor and never listen to a word he says, or simply do the opposite of what he says.




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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: spacechildo]
    #23834456 - 11/15/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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if its not much work you're not stuffing the holes tight enough.
or you have some great tools and I'd like to learn whatever tips you got :lol:





they are very tight, that tight, that sometimes I can't pull them out of the hole when changing them.

I just make a quite big polyfil "ball", take a screwdriver (with a big Phillips Head) and push the polyfil with it through the hole. When a bit is pushed in, I fold the polyfil once or twice and then I push again with the scredriver. So push and fold until almost all Polyfil was pushed inside the hole. Hard to explain in my bad english. But afterwards is very, very tight.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23834487 - 11/15/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Stuffing/pulling with too much force can bend the metal lids and make more damage than benefit.

If I have no filter sticker around I roll up a conical polyfill sausage and put the thin end through the hole.  Then I pull on the thin end until the 'sausage' fits tight. I cut both sides (leave ~ 1cm on each side). In the last step i form the polyfill to a knob on the topside.

It is much easier to change the polyfill when the hole is not sharp edged and has been drilled properly.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: enlightenment]
    #23834502 - 11/15/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

thats pretty clutch with the fabric for drilling holes dude :thumbup:

i use a forstner bit but still get some rough edges.


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: morty422]
    #23834537 - 11/15/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
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complete bullshit. your shit fails because you dont know healthy myc from cotton candy tump.

also the reason he says such crazy high jar numbers is to look cool and skilled. do yourself a favor and never listen to a word he says, or simply do the opposite of what he says.




Preach, boy!....PREACH!

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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: enlightenment]
    #23834586 - 11/15/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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enlightenment said:
If I have no filter sticker around I roll up a conical polyfill sausage and put the thin end through the hole.  Then I pull on the thin end until the 'sausage' fits tight.






I tright that too, actually by reading your tek. But when I try to pull the thin end, it's ripped of from the rest of the polyfil. I don't work with too much force to push the polyfil inside the hole with the screwdriver.

A further method would be a mix of both: Pull a bit with the screwdriver into the hole so that the polyfil is quite tight and the rest is done by pulling the thin part until the rest of the polyfil follows into the hole and closes it tight.

I'll try that next time.

Which kind of Polyfil do you use? Have you bought the american brand or just pillow stuffing?


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Re: ge filter debate ! [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23834623 - 11/15/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Fish tank fiberfill (Aquarium Filterwatte) it is tougher than the pillow filling (both are made of poly ethylene. The fabric of fiberfill seems to withstand much more force)


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