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koods said: He's has severe personality defects that make him a very dangerous person to be leading a country. I wouldn't have voted for him if I agreed with his politics. There is something wrong with him,
i feel the same. though I do hope he does well for america, but i dont trust him based on how he treats people. Calling everyone losers and stuff gets kind of annoying.
and i hope he was joking about climate change being a hoax.
The climate changes, this is a fact
***man made climate change is a hoax
If you had any understanding of organic chemistry and ecology it's just as ridiculous to say we don't effect the climate as it is to say there is no climate change.
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#23834830 - 11/15/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: He's has severe personality defects that make him a very dangerous person to be leading a country. I wouldn't have voted for him if I agreed with his politics. There is something wrong with him,
i feel the same. though I do hope he does well for america, but i dont trust him based on how he treats people. Calling everyone losers and stuff gets kind of annoying.
and i hope he was joking about climate change being a hoax.
The climate changes, this is a fact
***man made climate change is a hoax
If you had any understanding of organic chemistry and ecology it's just as ridiculous to say we don't effect the climate as it is to say there is no climate change.
if you have any understanding of insert bullshit here then you would understand that to blame global warming solely on mankind is just as ridiculous as claiming man has no involvement or that it's not happening at all.
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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human caused climate change causes a threshold to be crossed setting in motion a domino like chain of events that is then totally beyond our control.
this has now occurred and is called a tipping point. Carbon is no longer the issue. the greatest existential threat in recorded history is methane release occurring as we speak.
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#23834844 - 11/15/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Never said we were solely to blame. Why does it always have to be white or black? Why? Why can't someone make a statement without someone assuming you just sided with their mortal enemy?
POLLUTION IS A PROBLEM whether you directly link it to global warming or not. Yes the earth regularly has climate shifts. That doesn't mean we're not responsible for effecting the balance of the world's self regulating environment.
Moonshoe: so you think then that we should keep adding chemicals to the atmosphere that depletes the ozone because it doesn't matter anymore?
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23834846 - 11/15/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: human caused climate change causes a threshold to be crossed setting in motion a domino like chain of events that is then totally beyond our control.
this has now occurred and is called a tipping point. Carbon is no longer the issue. the greatest existential threat in recorded history is methane release occurring as we speak.
um... no.
these methane releases have been happening for centuries, the ships disappearing in the 'Bermuda Triangle' are frequently caused by methane pockets rupturing, this causes the ship to lose buoyancy and sink
methane in the atmosphere is also abated within 7 years
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23834850 - 11/15/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Never said we were solely to blame. Why does it always have to be white or black? Why? Why can't someone make a statement without someone assuming you just sided with their mortal enemy?
didnt I just point out that it isnt black and white?
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POLLUTION IS A PROBLEM whether you directly link it to global warming or not. Yes the earth regularly has climate shifts. That doesn't mean we're not responsible for effecting the balance of the world's self regulating environment.
wel the good news is, when we drive ourselves into extinction then at least it will be the earth self regulating again. that's a great thing isnt it
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23834883 - 11/15/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't even want to focus on carbon emissions. Which is a huge problem, but only part, one small part, of a list of problems. Ocean temperatures are rising and that may in part be due to pollution, but the fluctuations of ph level and phosphorus and nitrogen are absolutely related to pollution. Not only have we lost considerable amounts of sea life and species are rapidly facing extinction but much of our food that comes from the ocean is declining in quality.
I dunno why you seem to think that's okay just because the world cycles through climate changes and mass extinctions every couple millions of years. it doesn't make any sense to pollute our environment and destroy ecosystems just cuz the earth does it too.
This is why humanity deserves extinction. "You're doing something bad." "well um uhh they did something bad too!"
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#23834884 - 11/15/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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that's simply not even remotely true. Arctic seabed ice has trapped unfathomable amounts of methane beneath the ocean since before industrial civilization. that methane is now being released on mass and the end result will be a 12 times increase in atmospheric methane and a change in global climate well beyond the tolerance of 90+ % of life on earth.
the only hope of survival barring act of God or alien intervention is rapid and massive implementation of global geoengineering strategies almost immediately.
otherwise only a tiny number of hyper elites in sealed underground habitats can hope to remain.
@cookiecrumbs- No it matters more than anything else. climate change needs to become humanities number one priority now or we are all doomed.
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23834895 - 11/15/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm glad there are some here that can agree with me on that. Thank you.
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#23834909 - 11/15/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: that's simply not even remotely true. Arctic seabed ice has trapped unfathomable amounts of methane beneath the ocean since before industrial civilization.
oh but it is true and we've been going through a warming period for more than 20,000 years, every since we started emerging from an ice age, as the earth warms the methane does escape from it's little hidey holes and once in the atmosphere it contributes further to rising temperatures. sure, our carbon emissions contribute but it doesnt negate the fact that it's been happening for tens of thousands of years
or maybe you'd like to believe that we just popped out of an ice age to sunny weather and warm temperatures but then over the last 50 years we've made it unbearably hot
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the only hope of survival barring act of God or alien intervention is rapid and massive implementation of global geoengineering strategies almost immediately.
so combat fiction with fiction
there is no hope of survival, we're all going to die
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#23834928 - 11/15/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do wish people would stop calling pollution problems global warming. We are effecting the climate and the weather but focusing on 'global warming' is a case of white or black and an example of political short sightedness. I'm perfectly fine with accepting the possibility that the earth may have decided to do this process as quickly and dramatically as it is naturally. Only an ignorant fool thinks pollution isn't a problem though.
Air pollution pollutes the water. Water pollution pollutes the land. Land pollution pollutes the water. Water pollution effects the climate (or at the very least the weather. (Or at the very very least the sea life, which in turn effects nitrogen co2 and o2 levels in the water which effects all of that in the wider world.))
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#23834932 - 11/15/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know you don't think that pollution isn't a problem at all Pris.
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23834935 - 11/15/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Humans can survive very harsh environments, or are you guys fearing we won't have 20 billion humans in 30 years?
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#23834950 - 11/15/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I know you don't think that pollution isn't a problem at all Pris.
it is a problem but the focus should be on the guy that dumps his oil down the storm drains as well as the corporations that say they're producing clean energy products from some of the most toxic pollutants in the world
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: qman]
#23834966 - 11/15/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well of course we may survive as a species. If you're okay with millions if not billions of people dying and a large majority of the remaining population being sick and just as likely to die when we've consumed most of our resources and the air is toxic and the water is acidic and polluted and so is all of our food and the half of life remaining on earth (if there even is half) is struggling to survive as a species as much as we are and we, like them, are likely to survive only because we recluse to the most remote and uninhabited regions of the world. Most of us living primarily underground because the ozone holes cause extreme levels of uv radiation and spending half our time outside will be almost certain cancer (for animals too.)
If you're fine with all that then no pollution isn't a problem at all.
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#23834982 - 11/15/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Well of course we may survive as a species. If you're okay with millions if not billions of people dying and a large majority of the remaining population being sick and just as likely to die when we've consumed most of our resources and the air is toxic and the water is acidic and polluted and so is all of our food and the half of life remaining on earth (if there even is half) is struggling to survive as a species as much as we are and we, like them, are likely to survive only because we recluse to the most remote and uninhabited regions of the world. Most of us living primarily underground because the ozone holes cause extreme levels of uv radiation and spending half our time outside will be almost certain cancer (for animals too.)
If you're fine with all that then no pollution isn't a problem at all.
And how many will die in the process of trying to save potential lives?
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23834984 - 11/15/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Well of course we may survive as a species. If you're okay with millions if not billions of people dying and a large majority of the remaining population being sick and just as likely to die when we've consumed most of our resources and the air is toxic and the water is acidic and polluted and so is all of our food and the half of life remaining on earth (if there even is half) is struggling to survive as a species
arent people claiming the earth is overpopulated as it is, maybe we need to eliminate about 3 billion people to restore the balance
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: qman]
#23835031 - 11/15/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah you're right. We should just drop a nuke. It will be alot cleaner.
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CookieCrumbs said: Well of course we may survive as a species. If you're okay with millions if not billions of people dying and a large majority of the remaining population being sick and just as likely to die when we've consumed most of our resources and the air is toxic and the water is acidic and polluted and so is all of our food and the half of life remaining on earth (if there even is half) is struggling to survive as a species as much as we are and we, like them, are likely to survive only because we recluse to the most remote and uninhabited regions of the world. Most of us living primarily underground because the ozone holes cause extreme levels of uv radiation and spending half our time outside will be almost certain cancer (for animals too.)
If you're fine with all that then no pollution isn't a problem at all.
And how many will die in the process of trying to save potential lives?
Explain please. How does stopping pollution kill people?
Also I do agree that we have been primarily focused on the wrong things. All in all the US is becoming one of the milder offenders. But we are seeing problems here, serious problems, of mismanaged environment. Lack of water, destroyed ecosystems, invasive species, oxygen depleted and acidic water, extreme weather (maybe not the weather itself but alot of the most damaging consequences of storms in the last 20 years is how we decided to use the land.)
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23835060 - 11/15/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Yeah you're right. We should just drop a nuke. It will be alot cleaner.
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CookieCrumbs said: Well of course we may survive as a species. If you're okay with millions if not billions of people dying and a large majority of the remaining population being sick and just as likely to die when we've consumed most of our resources and the air is toxic and the water is acidic and polluted and so is all of our food and the half of life remaining on earth (if there even is half) is struggling to survive as a species as much as we are and we, like them, are likely to survive only because we recluse to the most remote and uninhabited regions of the world. Most of us living primarily underground because the ozone holes cause extreme levels of uv radiation and spending half our time outside will be almost certain cancer (for animals too.)
If you're fine with all that then no pollution isn't a problem at all.
And how many will die in the process of trying to save potential lives?
Explain please. How does stopping pollution kill people?
Also I do agree that we have been primarily focused on the wrong things. All in all the US is becoming one of the milder offenders. But we are seeing problems here, serious problems, of mismanaged environment. Lack of water, destroyed ecosystems, invasive species, oxygen depleted and acidic water, extreme weather (maybe not the weather itself but alot of the most damaging consequences of storms in the last 20 years is how we decided to use the land.)
I think it's important to recognize that humans can NOT micro managed their environment, it's impossible. It's going to change no matter what we do, all humans can do it adapt to the changing environment.
We can never know for sure what influence human behavior has on the environment and what measures we should take to "help" it.
It's constant battle of surviving today with not destroying your future, I don't think it's anything to get hysterical about, humans will manage one way or another.
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Re: What the FUCK did you elect America? [Re: qman]
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humans will manage one or another, but certainly not with you..erm...expertise.
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