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Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break)
    #23831104 - 11/14/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hi folks!

So, I have some concerns here about my chronic pain issue, and that is the tolerance obviously as well as the possible growing pain.

I have come to the conclusion that maybe at least 2-3 day tolerance break would be good, but if I can extend it, even better. The goal is not getting more high, but making sure my freaking painful fingers and toes are asleep.

I was considering smoking kratom, by itself, maybe from a pipe (or should I make a join/use the bong, I rather avoid the bong, as it will be daily use and I work a ton from home, the bong would be a bit of a nuisance, unless it is the only way to smoke kratom.)

Is this a good idea? What are the physical effects of Kratom (I do not mind the effects, as I won't be driving, but the physical effect do matter hehe.) I believe Kratom is addictive, but after how many tokes?

Since I cannot ask for dosage advice, I plan to smoke a pipe and then other pipe until the pain is gone, but I will go at a slow pace, allowing 5-10 minutes between pipes and observing pain.

Will a few days weed tolerance break make a difference? And is this kratom idea good?

Thanks folks!


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #23831119 - 11/14/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't smoke kratom man. You eat it. Can put it in capsules, or make a smoothie. Start low & work your way up, as there is a ceiling effect....hit the ceiling & you'll feel like shit. Below the ceiling & you should feel great. It is addictive, but takes a while to get to that point.


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23831148 - 11/14/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Peripheral neuropathy? Mind if i ask what from? I have PN from what's presumably lyme disease. Kratom won't make it totally disappear but it definitely smooths the edges and makes it more manageable. Don't smoke it as DS said. Just eat it or make tea though i recommend eating. Blend it in a smoothie with some strawberry and banana. I usually use 5g but when i was starting off i'd have to use 3gs or i'd get sick. The physical effects are just muscle relaxation, general feelings of warmness and well-being, increased pain tolerance, etc. Like what you'd expect off a modest dose of vicodin. My advice when you're starting, start with a lower dose and don't be too active. Opioids can be kind of strange in that excess stimulation can induce lots of nausea. For me that means bright lights, loud sounds, excess movement, even angry emotions. That's not to say you can't be active, but for me i have to be very centered and acclimated before being active. Of course, over time that happens instantaneously to where i don't even have to think twice and can virtually go about most of my day on kratom.


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23831792 - 11/14/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Careful, its addictive and has real risk of physical dependence setting in with repeated daily use and increasing dosage over time. ( generally anything that over stimulates the endogenous opiod/opiate receptors in the body and brain over 2-3 weeks of continuous daily use of moderate - high doses , will, upon discontinuation, cause withdrawal symptoms that are highly uncomfortable and very difficult to quit , sometimes even just 1 week of high dosing can do this).

Other then that it has good pain killing properties at certain dosages.  But it does act as a narcotic at certain dosages, Beware! Use responsibly and infrequently if you do. No joke, dont let some kid fool you, or some online site.  Its true.


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #23833380 - 11/14/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I was considering smoking kratom




Freebase it first for good effect:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22140590


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: flickedbic]
    #23837566 - 11/16/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks! I will sure check it out!


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23837713 - 11/16/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
Careful, its addictive and has real risk of physical dependence setting in with repeated daily use and increasing dosage over time. ( generally anything that over stimulates the endogenous opiod/opiate receptors in the body and brain over 2-3 weeks of continuous daily use of moderate - high doses , will, upon discontinuation, cause withdrawal symptoms that are highly uncomfortable and very difficult to quit , sometimes even just 1 week of high dosing can do this).

Other then that it has good pain killing properties at certain dosages.  But it does act as a narcotic at certain dosages, Beware! Use responsibly and infrequently if you do. No joke, dont let some kid fool you, or some online site.  Its true.




This is a bit exaggerated. Kratom is not an opioid agonist drug, it is a complex biological entity with irreducibly complex effects. While it does contain opioid agonists it is not traditionally associated with the major side effects of opioids and is in fact used to treat opioid withdrawal. It is true that some get withdrawal and there is no point in taking more of something than you truly need, but many others including myself can take this one long term with absolutely no ill effect and stop cold turkey. Of course YMMV. I'm not saying not to be careful. But this is truly one of the most abusable and safe drugs in existence. Aside from cannabis i can't think of anything else i would even entertain the notion of taking daily.


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23838143 - 11/16/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

On a slightly unrelated point I have found that when I toss and wash and get Kratom trapped in my gums at the back of my mouth I seem to get a stronger effect than I do when I drink the tea (whole powder) down and non of it gets trapped there.

Not sure if I am imagining it so has anyone else noticed something similar that Kratom seems to work very well sublingually?

I wonder how a powerful extract might work sublingually.

The thing is with extracts though, on one hand someone might end up cracking it and discovering a more powerful concentrated Kratom that genuinely fucks you up, but thats pretty much the worst thing that could happen to Kratom and the person who discovers it.

One of the best things about Kratom is that its not all that powerful and because of that doesnt really interfere with life like even a cannabis habbit can with disaterous results!

In many ways Kratoms wonderful because its not quite good enough to qualify as a genuine high. There are times when it blisses me out and I love the fuck out of it (just recently discovered that it can make me forget I am at work) but its relatively mild and subtle.

Start extracting it, smoking, and making it more powerful and I do agree it will end up getting banned.

Probably gonna get banned anyway in America but who knows, its legal where I live at the moment (not US).


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: wolf8312]
    #23838168 - 11/16/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Lately I have been mixing some kratom in with some baking soda, adding a little water, mixing, add a little bit more baking soda bit by bit until it turns dark brown. Then I will smash it into a haf teaspoon or teaspoon, and pop it out, and into my mouth, into my cheek like chewing tobacco. I keep it in there without spitting for about 15-20 minutes.

Works pretty damn good and is definitely more powerful that a simple TNW, so be cautious.




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I've tried this, it works very well.


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #26983605 - 10/13/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

My experiences with kratom have been very positive and it's been invaluable for pain and anxiety/ depression management.

I have taken kratom for 3 months plus at a time daily, about 6 months at most every other day before and also I have dropped down to weekend use for longer periods. At the minute I use it sporadically. It can be highly addicting, that's evident, but I have no problem going cold turkey when I don't feel it's needed any more.

I've had a couple of sports injuries which it helped with immensely. I have a friend who also uses it daily and suffered from a stomach ulcer which could possibly have been attributed to kratom overuse, so it pays to just monitor yourself as you would with any drug. It worked for me because the side effects were mild compared to a lot of other prescription alternatives.

I also know someone who has to take it every 45 mins... but he had prior addiction to opiates so for him it became a healthier replacement.

I found drinking the actual leaves made the nausea side effects loads worse, so it's worth straining it through some kitchen roll after leaving it to sit for 15 mins at least if you brew the leaf.


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: flickedbic]
    #26984332 - 10/14/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
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Lately I have been mixing some kratom in with some baking soda, adding a little water, mixing, add a little bit more baking soda bit by bit until it turns dark brown. Then I will smash it into a haf teaspoon or teaspoon, and pop it out, and into my mouth, into my cheek like chewing tobacco. I keep it in there without spitting for about 15-20 minutes.

Works pretty damn good and is definitely more powerful that a simple TNW, so be cautious.




- the ever changing paradox, moderator at kcforums.com

I've tried this, it works very well.



That is very similar to chewing coca tea powder, works great for pain and energy, makes you work or train like a beast without side effects, google "coca tea express". They have a tone of information on coca leaf.

Kratom brings on serious nausea for many, including me so you must dose it properly.


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Re: Kratom for neuropathic pain (for weed tolerance break) [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #26987594 - 10/15/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Kratom + pot eatables is a nice combination.


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