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Cpt Dingas
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An amateur shaman question
#23829264 - 11/13/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I've been succesfull at picking shrooms and got me a good amount. I have couple of spiritual trips under my belt and I've been tripping a lot lately, so I need some time for integration. I went to Beyond Psychedelics 2016 in Prague, where I got massively inspired to show other people, this spiritual take on tripping and show them the true potential. There are many people around me, who trip, but it is more of a recrational use than anything mind-expanding or self-realisative. I want to let these people experience a trip in complete darkness and silence (they of course know, what they are going to be doing and fully trust me) in a safe environment, where I would look after them, so nothing goes wrong and they can just focus on their introspective trip.
Now... I will be giving them a moderate dose of shrooms, nothing crazy, but i dont know, if I should also take at least a low dose, so I can feel the energies better and connect with them, if needed.
A low dose shouldnt be any problem for my integration... it is purely going to be for their good. But I'd love to save as many shrooms as I can, so I can do this multiple times with other people (in small groups)... do you think me taking a low dose of lsd might limit the connection we would be able to have if I took a low dose of shrooms instead?
TLDR: I'm going to be a shaman/sitter for a small group of people, who are going to be on medium dose of shrooms. Would me taking low dose of lsd be the same as low dose of shrooms in regards to creating connection between me and them?
Thank you
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Re: An amateur shaman question [Re: Cpt Dingas]
#23829304 - 11/13/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A shaman would know he answer.
Once you know what they are going thru you know you don't need to trip. Drugs fuel for exploration.
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Re: An amateur shaman question [Re: Morel Guy]
#23829357 - 11/13/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would stick with the mushrooms so you're on syncopated waves. Maybe just take a microdose, .2g and hold it in your cheek.
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Re: An amateur shaman question [Re: flickedbic] 1
#23829387 - 11/13/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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definitely not LSD, maybe a micro-dose like was suggested above but any more than that would interfere with your ability to work with your patients being as inexperienced as you are. Also I wouldn't recommend doing this with anyone who isn't familiar with psychedelics, you could really freak people out and cause lasting psychological damage if you don't know what you are doing. That is why Shamans usually train for years under an older Shaman and by themselves before working with patients.
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Cpt Dingas
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Re: An amateur shaman question [Re: xzylocybin]
#23831742 - 11/14/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the opinion. I did call myself shaman, but I really am more of a trip sitter. I've done something similar in the past, where me and my good friend did shrooms together and I started talking about stuff similar to Allan Watts lectures (philosophy), because it felt right to do at that time and the friend told me afterwards, that I made the trip really great for him and he was just grateful for my speech, that I gave.
It isn't going to be their first time doing psychedelics, they have never had a difficult experience, so I don't think them doing a medium dose of shrooms ( should be a tiny bit more than level 2 trip (...by Timothy Leary)) with me trip sitting and looking after them should result in a difficult experience at all.
I always try to prepare my own trips as best as I can, so I dont have to worry about anything, I dont even have to walk anywhere to get a drink or snack... I have everything I'd need prepared in my meditation room.
I will see if Im going to take the small dose of shrooms at all ^^ (definitely not going for lsd)
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Re: An amateur shaman question [Re: Cpt Dingas]
#23831771 - 11/14/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A Shaman is much different than a trip sitter. A Shaman is someone who no longer needs to use psychedelics to have a psychedelic experience, one that can invoke psychedelic states with just mind body and spirit. Within self, and individuals. A healer at the core, a spiritual cleanser, spirit worker. One whose spirit innately helps other spirits cleanse and recenter through innate energy and years of practice and wisdom. A Shaman does not fully understand or know his true power, for it works in magical ways a Shaman is full of so much insight and wisdom, naturally words he/she speaks invoke mind opening, pondering, questioning of the self/beleifs. The shaman naturally exposes spiritual rebirth, especially with the help of a guided psychedelic experience
You can't become a Shaman by choice, you are either destined or not. Just like you can't be 7 feet tall by choice, it has to be within you, from a young age.
What you're doing is just overseeing providing good company insuring a good experience which is awesome it's up to you if you want to dose or not. Either way should work out.
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
Edited by Eclipse3130 (11/14/16 10:14 AM)
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Cpt Dingas
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Re: An amateur shaman question [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23834389 - 11/15/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That answers all my questions... thank you
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Re: An amateur shaman question [Re: Cpt Dingas] 1
#23834468 - 11/15/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What your talking about is more typical of whats like neo shamanism
In the traditional indigenous context the shaman commonly takes a higher dose than the patients, I know this from reading about Maria Sabina, she'd give something like 6 pairs of mushrooms and she 'd take 13 .
The san pedro shamans is similar, theres some that drink sanpedro and do healing like evey week, and they drink like a full cup whereas the patier drinks a smaller cup. Not to mention the ayahuasca shamans that take ridiculously high doses And howbout the people who blow like a few tablespoons of bufotenine seed powder into eachothers nostrils. Theres a video where agroup of shamans do this and together heal a girl by expulsing the sickmess Spirits.
In these context the shaman is the one who really dives into the abyss, taking doses that most would be afraid of doing.
Kagr
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Re: An amateur shaman question [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23834501 - 11/15/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said:
You can't become a Shaman by choice, you are either destined or not. Just like you can't be 7 feet tall by choice, it has to be within you, from a young age.
I don't agree with this. The shamanic path is within all who devote themselves to it. One might have a stronger inclination, but they are not given exclusive access to those realms. A life experience can be all it takes to start someone on that path. To become fully realized in that realm requires total devotion however. Everyone enters the shamanic realm when they take a high enough dose of ayahuasca. No one holds authority over that higher state. It is universally accessible. Shamans merely embody that potential day to day whereas others forget and atrophy, or simply limit their commitment to achieving that higher state. And shamans through their devotion culminate in an abundance of energy that infects those they work with. And those people through renewal choose to maintain it, waste it, or grow it til they themselves are shamans.
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Bill_Oreilly
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JacksonMetaller said:
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Eclipse3130 said:
You can't become a Shaman by choice, you are either destined or not. Just like you can't be 7 feet tall by choice, it has to be within you, from a young age.
I don't agree with this. The shamanic path is within all who devote themselves to it. One might have a stronger inclination, but they are not given exclusive access to those realms. A life experience can be all it takes to start someone on that path. To become fully realized in that realm requires total devotion however. Everyone enters the shamanic realm when they take a high enough dose of ayahuasca. No one holds authority over that higher state. It is universally accessible. Shamans merely embody that potential day to day whereas others forget and atrophy, or simply limit their commitment to achieving that higher state. And shamans through their devotion culminate in an abundance of energy that infects those they work with. And those people through renewal choose to maintain it, waste it, or grow it til they themselves are shamans.
I agree.
Although i dont consider myself a shaman, i also dont consider myself not a shaman.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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JacksonMetaller said:
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Eclipse3130 said:
You can't become a Shaman by choice, you are either destined or not. Just like you can't be 7 feet tall by choice, it has to be within you, from a young age.
I don't agree with this. The shamanic path is within all who devote themselves to it. One might have a stronger inclination, but they are not given exclusive access to those realms. A life experience can be all it takes to start someone on that path. To become fully realized in that realm requires total devotion however. Everyone enters the shamanic realm when they take a high enough dose of ayahuasca. No one holds authority over that higher state. It is universally accessible. Shamans merely embody that potential day to day whereas others forget and atrophy, or simply limit their commitment to achieving that higher state. And shamans through their devotion culminate in an abundance of energy that infects those they work with. And those people through renewal choose to maintain it, waste it, or grow it til they themselves are shamans.
Bill O is a shaman of debate
I agree.
Although i dont consider myself a shaman, i also dont consider myself not a shaman.
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Re: An amateur shaman question [Re: Broly]
#23835101 - 11/15/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very true, and I agree I was speaking more from a mystical sense, it's either your destiny or not; you either find it within you or not. Shamans dont know they are shamans before they become one, its more a path you follow, of shamanism. It's who you are in your heart and in your soul a healer. And you could argue, the finding of it isn't necessarily a conscious conclusion, the realization of who you have become from being your self is. We are amongst the age of awakening and there are more healers, Shamans etc than ever emerging right now. Be it older souls that came to reincarnate to save Earth or scientifically naturally just the development of consciousness
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
Edited by Eclipse3130 (11/15/16 11:15 AM)
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