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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: Killaloting] * 1
    #23828096 - 11/13/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is just speculations but heres is what i THINK happens,

When you have boiled it for 90min popcorns will be as sterile as needed, Im not even hesitating on that one anymore, now when you open the lid slightly to add the paper to suck up the hot steam the steam prevents bacteria from rushing down in the pot since hot air moves upwards pushing it up in direction out of the pot, when its not very hot anymore it is EXTREMELY prone to any airpollutions yes, this is why i recommend the extra step, after ur jar is filled put at 120c in oven 1h minimum i can go anywhere from 1h to 90min and at least 120c to 130c its so u cant touch the glass with ur bare hands or u will loose your fingerprints it instantly burns ur skin so its pretty hot by now.

But If your time is VERY limited meaning u dont have the extra time for this step u can try transfer from pot to jars without doing it, of course this will have higher fail ratio but you need no extra equippment and this costs you less then 1$ a jar no mather if you use the extra way or not.

If you use something like u use to rince pasta i dont know what its called, and doesnt do alternatives steps, you are likely to get a 100% contam ratio since it will be to exposed and for too long, this is just guessing but I will tell you when i get contams and even show them, it havnt happned so far why would i lie when we all share the same hobby :smile:

now guys take care gotta run ill be back next week, video tutorial of the LazyTek.

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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: Killaloting]
    #23828100 - 11/13/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is more complicated that buying a Pc for sure.


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: 2shoes] * 1
    #23828104 - 11/13/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: 2shoes]
    #23828105 - 11/13/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lol the lazy tek is buying a PC and using a SAB. It's actually stupid how easy it is to do


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: Mad Season]
    #23828119 - 11/13/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Of course you dont have to agree, everyone finds their own methods, my interest started when i found out you could clone a living mushroom using only eggcarton material this was my first monoculture i think? Now im back to multispore so u might say im going the wrong direction hehe

But since it sounded so easy ofc I tried, and u know what... it worked, its theese simple solution that doesnt req stuff you dont already have that maybe opens up interest for someone else like me.

Im not asking anyone to downgrade their current procedure lol

If cloning a mushroom would have required a PC i would never gotten into mycologi from the start, but since I have been trying wierd stuff, side projects now cept the coffea thing is beer saturated grains ,beer saturated verm , Toilet rolls dunked in beer ( since dunken in coffea worked why not ), some different fertilisers N based.

But If I am correct the grains are especially prone at certain temperatures, while they are still steaming hot I claim they arent as likely to survive even if they land on the popcorns surface, its mostly speculations but since it worked?


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23828252 - 11/13/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
There problem here is that we have a contam prone grain like popcorn, unsterilized and exposed to open air (according to the wording of this tek).


The open air transfer is a big issue. People are talking about 8 hours, in case any beginners are reading that these people mean steaming the grains in jars for 8 hours. Boiling grains for 8 hours would turn them to mush, as most would have guessed.

If these grains were 100% sterile to begin with this tek is still unlikely to work, due to this open air thing.

I do think it could work once in a while. I do not believe 75 jars worked 100%, and that the uninoculated jar was fine (I wonder how long it was left). Remember he only said the reheating bit is optional, the 75 jar claim seemingly were transferred to jars and capped and not heat treated again. If it is true then you are incredibly lucky, I would be doing the lottery if I was you, then buy a PC with your winnings.

People making jam have used this "transfer while hot" method, they will pour hot jam into jars, cap them, turn them upside down so any airbourne contams mix into the hot jam and are hopefully killed. But high sugar jam by its nature would be more resistant.

I have wondered if any grains out there are irradiated, if his were it would be more believable.

I have done methods sort of similar to what he calls for, well the theory anyway. I pressure cooked popcorn and other grains to hydrate them, then transfer to jars and microwave them. My lastest 2 did work out for me, but I am PCing at up to 20psi, and microwaving for 30+mins or so after. Popcorn has the advantage that it is does not overhydrate too easily. A jar of popcorn steamed for 90mins will not be at 100C for that time as you need time for the core to heat up, while in the pot surrounded by water it is heated quicker, this is what I liked about using the PC to hydrate grains at high pressure. However as it takes so long to hydrate the core of the grain is not hydrated for a lot of that 90mins.


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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: Killaloting] * 1
    #23828257 - 11/13/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The very first time I ever attempted to grow I did it similar to how you've described.

Very soon after, with over a dozen slimy jars ... I bought a PC.

Any luck you're having is just luck.
I've done the same and seen the same too many times because friends and I tried to be cheap.

Any noobs reading this - don't do it.
If you can't afford a PC I SUGGEST sticking with the PF or alike.

Remember the PC isn't just for the pressure. Well, it is for the pressure but because it allows the heat to rise enough to kill off the baddies.

I'm not going to flame but I'm going to say I strongly disagree with this.

I believe "No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek"" Should have been "I had no PC and felt Lazy so here's how I got Lucky".


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: Mad Season] * 2
    #23828261 - 11/13/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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A jar he sent me in PM for everyone to see. I mean it's not the worst jar, but thick, lumpy, disorganized, and wet uncolonized looking grains is bacterial.



That jar photo was taken from this site. A guy called Kron from Capetown South Africa

https://mycotek.org/index.php?gallery/albums/popcorn-cake.394/

I got suspicious to see a Swedish guy reading a newspaper with English so did a reverse image search. The ball type jars also made me suspicious, a guy with no PC in Sweden investing in them.



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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: blackout]
    #23828264 - 11/13/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: OfTheVoid46]
    #23828268 - 11/13/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:bringiton:

Good job blackout.


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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: enlightenment]
    #23828285 - 11/13/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:rofldrunk:

I didn't think this thread would even make it past page 1...

his pics (the ones he didnt steal) doesnt even have grains in them... and they still look contamed as hell!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23827871#23827871


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: spacechildo]
    #23828411 - 11/13/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This guy still hasn't posted any pictures.


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
    #23828422 - 11/13/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I think he just seen the first sign of white growth and labeled it a success tbh. Anyone serious about a tek they write up would have pictures to prove its success imo


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: WeavieWonder]
    #23828459 - 11/13/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You should rename it the "Not gonna fucking work worth a shit" Tek.  I wonder what your definition of a successful experience is?

:dudewtf:

I'm usually pretty tolerant of noobs, but noobs posting "teks"?? 

Who's next?



You are tolerant of noobs????
You ARE A NOOB :rofl:




I am new a noob to the forum(officially), but not to cultivation.  Post whore. :laugh:



As am I.....
and I like it when people talk dirty to me on the interwebz, you like my post whore ways don't ya sweetheart? :grin: :eskimokiss:


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #23828476 - 11/13/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

OP, pictures or it didn't happen. Your plagiarism isn't helping your case either.

Like someone said,  this will do more damage to beginners thinking they will have the same success you claim.  It's counter productive for this hobby.


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
    #23828488 - 11/13/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This guy still hasn't posted any pictures.




Quote:

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Yea I think he just seen the first sign of white growth and labeled it a success tbh. Anyone serious about a tek they write up would have pictures to prove its success imo




if you look at the link I posted there's 2 pics, but none of them have any popcorn in them or seem to have followed any of the steps OP outlined in his TEK.
probably stolen pics as well, cant be bothered to search them :shrug:


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: spacechildo]
    #23828494 - 11/13/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I seen white rice, I'd like to see you hardboil rice for 20 min let alone 90 :lol:


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: Grey]
    #23828642 - 11/13/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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OP, pictures or it didn't happen. Your plagiarism isn't helping your case either.

Like someone said,  this will do more damage to beginners thinking they will have the same success you claim.  It's counter productive for this hobby.



I think we just call this being a piece of shit looser.

Misleading people is the opposite of being shroomy.

I enjoy the no flaming rule quoted though, as if OPs post isn't insulting in itself

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
So please don't try to make a noob magnet with zero results posted


Edited by bodhisatta (11/13/16 10:54 AM)


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Re: No PC? No worries! Lazy tek [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23828663 - 11/13/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If op wanted to help the community he'd stop posting, use the search function and read until he's blue in the face. Until then a troll he is. His rating haven't been ruined yet haha

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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: Killaloting] * 2
    #23828814 - 11/13/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Read so many posts now saying u cant sterilize grain without pressure cooking.

Ive never owned one and had only succesfull experience lately so i thought id share.

I usally use popcorn cause of easy to get also semi tolerant to air contams.

I never used any cleaning or peroxide or anything like that either just tap water.


Now here is a "lazy tek"

-Add popcorn grains to ur cooking pot of choice (remember they will almost double in size)
-Add oil
-Add a pinch of butter
-wait for popping noises
-Add salt and pepper.


-Add like twice as much tap water.
-Hard boil for 1h 30min no more no less or u get to dry or wet grains.
-Remove water without opening the lid u want every drip to go out dont rush here, in a quick motion open lid and cover with household paper or toilet paper and lid back ontop, u dont want paper touching tje grain, let dry for 10*min
-Transfer the grain to your jars
-** alternative step
-inject ur LC as soon as the temperature is below 25-30c (usally takes an hour, will depend on size of jars, remember core temp is always higher then outside of jar)
-Give it a good shake
-after 5-7 days give it another good shake. (You should have at least 15% visible colonisation)



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