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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: mndfreeze]
#24786183 - 11/16/17 01:34 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you paid attention toe the shitstorm going on around that game? I dont buy EA or ubisoft games, fuck both those companies.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: PreparationH]
#24786584 - 11/16/17 08:27 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it really that much in-game grinding to obtain the good characters? It sounds like a never ending grind or cough up some $$$.
I don't mind a grind for characters if its not a stupid amount of grinding.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: Herbologist]
#24786596 - 11/16/17 08:34 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Herbologist said: Is it really that much in-game grinding to obtain the good characters? It sounds like a never ending grind or cough up some $$$.
I don't mind a grind for characters if its not a stupid amount of grinding.
From what I understand it's not grinding and unlock x character it's grind up enough in game $ to buy a loot box and roll the dice and hope it's something you want. Which it maybe on the first roll or it might be on the 20th roll.
There's a reason loot boxes are popular right now. It might reward you for nothing or fuck you on everything and you'll be stupid enough to keep throwing money at it.
Or at least large amounts of the player base will.
Which to be fair a large amount of the player base is 13 and doesn't understand gambling.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24786646 - 11/16/17 08:57 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm Idk if I'd like that or not.
In Overwatch you can get a lot of loot boxes so its not a huge deal if you don't get what you really want. Just keep playing and youll have another loot box soon.
If Battlefront makes it painstakingly long to acquire a loot box that would kind of suck.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: Herbologist]
#24786694 - 11/16/17 09:25 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wish more companies would learn from blizzard. I've noticed they leave you with a ton of ways to unlock content. League of legends loot box system is kinda broken and only really rewards players who knock out 8 games a day every day or spend money. Lots of money. You or someone on your team has to get a top grade (it's like the top 25% of average player score or something) on the character they played and you can't get more than 5 crates per x amount of games or 3 months, whichever is lower, and you can't get a crate for that same champion more than once per season.
Additionally you need keys to open them. Which key fragments drop randomly. You need 3 to make a key to open a crate. And I've played more than 20 games at times trying to get a key fragment.
In order to unlock mastery on a character you need 2 to 3 top grades on that character and have "essence" you get from throwing away items in loot you don't want. You need that essence to unlock any loot content so finding it in a crate isn't enough, you need multiple crates to unlock a single item.
Currently sitting on 8 keys because it's very hard to get that top grade on s character on the only game mode I play anymore. I dunno why they didn't individualize the average per game mode. But then there's endless areas of speculation and criticism on how they measure those grades. Riot game has always used questionable algorithms. Always pushed one game mode and always played the money baiting game.
Part of the reasons I've been playing more bots on heroes of the storm than aram pvp in league. Riot is essentially cancer to players that aren't hardcore as fuck. And the community is cancer to anyone who is.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24786773 - 11/16/17 10:00 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to play LoL a lot on my computer.
That game can be pretty hard but it can be so fun too. I haven't played in years so I dont think I ever got into any loot boxes or key fragments. My cousin's wife still plays the shit out of it.
Heroes of the storm looks pretty fun since they add characters from all their games but I've never even tried it
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: Herbologist]
#24786880 - 11/16/17 10:52 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to play the shit out of league. I have like 7000 games across 5 accounts. The biggest reason I stopped playing for real is because they've reworked too many characters and items too quickly for me to keep up. And their solutions to age old balance issues was to just make everything OP as shit. Which is worse with the recent preseason patch that combined runes and masteries to make super masteries. You know how 1500 crits from gangplank were like omg where the fuck did my hp go? Well he's got aoe crits since his rework that can top 2500 and can literally one shot 3 champions ar once. With the recent patch ad champions have had crits for 4000. Yes you can one shot tanks. And ap champions other than veigar can get over 10k ap.
The game is stupid broken right now and you can't abuse it unless you have a good idea of what you're doing.
I like heroes of the storm because it has everything league lacks. Balance that actually feels fair, predictable changes, and variety that isn't solely dependant on items. And rewards that actually feel rewarding. Plus blizzard actually listens to the players. There were 2 maps with severe balance issues that were just not fun to play so blizzard recalled them both and rereleased them after making changes. They had a limited map rotation for a few months after they released major client changes (including loot) to encourage new players. The community hated it so blizzard undid it after a few months.
I can't imagine that kind of feedback from any other game developer I've spent any time with. Riot tends to just give alot of silence and shrugs. And then release changes no one asked for.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: Herbologist]
#24787070 - 11/16/17 12:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Herbologist said: Is it really that much in-game grinding to obtain the good characters? It sounds like a never ending grind or cough up some $$$.
I don't mind a grind for characters if its not a stupid amount of grinding.
Watch the first few minutes, fuck EA
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: PreparationH]
#24787102 - 11/16/17 01:09 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ugh 
I hope they fix this. It looks like so much fun but i what that guy is saying turns me off from it
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: Herbologist]
#24788448 - 11/17/17 12:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Herbologist said: Ugh 
I hope they fix this. It looks like so much fun but i what that guy is saying turns me off from it
They won't. EA doesn't give a shit and is doing everything in their power to make sure this all blows over and you end up buying it anyways.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: PreparationH]
#24788555 - 11/17/17 04:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: Have you paid attention toe the shitstorm going on around that game? I dont buy EA or ubisoft games, fuck both those companies.
Yeah, I've read quite a bit but really none of that shit matters to me. I don't plan on buying the in game crates nor do I care that much if I unlock all the special chjaracters and shit. Its a team based FPS like battlefield and really the fun is just killing other people. Half the time I find the uber unlockables / earnables to not be that great anyway.
I do agree with the public that EA is once again shoving its shit down our throats as consumers in an attempt to cash in, but I think thats just business and business will always try to make money any way it can. The game itself is still fun and well built IMO regardless of the cash in shit. DICE did a really good job with it.
EA did already lower the costs for stuff like 75% since the backlash from the people, I imagine if it continues they will make more concessions. If you are someone who doesn't dump money into loot crate kinda systems, and can live without OMG GETTING EVERY LOOT DROP POSSIBLE FOR ALL CHARACTERS, etc then don't let it cloud your judgement on buying the game or not.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24788556 - 11/17/17 04:12 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I wish more companies would learn from blizzard. I've noticed they leave you with a ton of ways to unlock content. League of legends loot box system is kinda broken and only really rewards players who knock out 8 games a day every day or spend money. Lots of money. You or someone on your team has to get a top grade (it's like the top 25% of average player score or something) on the character they played and you can't get more than 5 crates per x amount of games or 3 months, whichever is lower, and you can't get a crate for that same champion more than once per season.
Additionally you need keys to open them. Which key fragments drop randomly. You need 3 to make a key to open a crate. And I've played more than 20 games at times trying to get a key fragment.
In order to unlock mastery on a character you need 2 to 3 top grades on that character and have "essence" you get from throwing away items in loot you don't want. You need that essence to unlock any loot content so finding it in a crate isn't enough, you need multiple crates to unlock a single item.
Currently sitting on 8 keys because it's very hard to get that top grade on s character on the only game mode I play anymore. I dunno why they didn't individualize the average per game mode. But then there's endless areas of speculation and criticism on how they measure those grades. Riot game has always used questionable algorithms. Always pushed one game mode and always played the money baiting game.
Part of the reasons I've been playing more bots on heroes of the storm than aram pvp in league. Riot is essentially cancer to players that aren't hardcore as fuck. And the community is cancer to anyone who is.
You do know Blizzard is also under investigation by the belgium council of somethingoranother along with EA for the loot box stuff. They are trying to see if it qualifies as gambling or not and therefore subject to laws around it. Blizzard is only like 0.1% better then EA in this regard because their loot boxes are cosmetic only, where as battlefronts are character attachments that give small buffs or changes to gameplay. Really, both companies are bad with it.
To those asking about the grind, they say it takes about 40 hours of playing to get enough points to unlock the most expensive characters, Luke Skywalker and Vader. But this was before they dropped the point cost 75%. If you search youtube for a video by "ETC Party Time" a gaming / comedy style news show, they talk about it extensively in one of their latest episodes. They go into detail on the loot crates, the costs, the time investment, the pay 2 win schema, the belgium gambling investigation, etc.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: PreparationH]
#24788568 - 11/17/17 04:34 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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for some reason the link didn't work for me but I found the video:
Make sure you watch ALLLLL of the review. Like I said, the game itself is great, its only the microtransaction / loot crate shit that people are all up in arms about.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: mndfreeze]
#24788761 - 11/17/17 07:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#24789045 - 11/17/17 09:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: mndfreeze]
#24789124 - 11/17/17 10:22 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: .[stuff I accidentally deleted].
Yeah I'd heard of it but tbh to remove it you'll have to remove all rng unlockable content across all games which is frankly retarded.
Blizzard has a shared currency, gems, you can spend on loot or just buy whatever content you want. You aren't forced to gamble. You can also spend level up currency to reroll loot up to 3 times if you don't like it. If you get a duplicate of something you already own you instead get skin currency. This is for HoTS. Haven't played enough of OW to figure out that system. But I'd say HoTS system is pretty balanced. You never really roll a dud and you don't have to invest in boxes at all if you don't want, they just toss out free ones on occasion and you're silly if you don't want 5 items of free content.
League has you do all that work for one item. Or on the rare occasion one item and a "shard" that you need 5 of to craft an exclusive skin. That's definitely pushing it into some bad gambling territory where the rest is little different than playing yahtzee.
League loot boxes have exclusive skins that have been discontinued. Notably Bowser Rammus which riot had to nix in 2010 because of copyright threats from Nintendo and Medieval Twitch which was an exclusive skin one received after making 350 referrals when the game was in its infancy. Only a handful of people earned the skin. You can open 1000 boxes and not get either. But that one person on Reddit got it on their first so you have incentive to try at 5 bucks a pop. I've seen streamers throw over 1000 dollars at boxes trying to grab one of these exclusive items.
Though I think recently, possibly due to the investigation, Riot removed these old referral skins from standard loot, loot you can buy, and put them in new boxes you can only get from not being a dick in game.
I've gotten more of those than standard boxes so that might come to balance it out. If thry tweak it so that it doesn't have a significantly higher chance to open key fragments that I can't use because I don't have boxes to open...
A loot box you open to find another loot box reminds me of my brothers Christmas presents.
I think balancing and additional buying options could separate loot from gambling and put it on par with other rng elements that have been used in games since Atari.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24789142 - 11/17/17 10:31 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Speaking of retro games.... I bought this yesterday

Wasn't intending to buy a console, not even a mini off market console but this was on sale for 40 bucks and it has 80 games inside (twice the size of my original genesis inventory) and it plays cartridges. So I can actually buy something at the nerd candy stores known as thrift gaming stores now 
I'm gonna eventually break the fuck out of that little thing tho. The original genesis was a brick that has survived over 30 years of me and my brothers and my cousins. This little thing is gonna snap like a cheap Chinese McDonald's toy.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24789152 - 11/17/17 10:34 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: This little thing is gonna snap like a cheap Chinese McDonald's toy.
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24790016 - 11/17/17 05:18 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: ... Blizzard has a shared currency, gems, you can spend on loot or just buy whatever content you want. You aren't forced to gamble. You can also spend level up currency to reroll loot up to 3 times if you don't like it. If you get a duplicate of something you already own you instead get skin currency. This is for HoTS. Haven't played enough of OW to figure out that system. But I'd say HoTS system is pretty balanced. You never really roll a dud and you don't have to invest in boxes at all if you don't want, they just toss out free ones on occasion and you're silly if you don't want 5 items of free content. ...
Overwatch is set up so every time you level up you get a loot box and every level up takes as much exp to gain as the previous level did then each week you can get 3 extra loot boxes by winning 9 arcade mode matches and any time they introduce a new game mode you get a loot box the first time you win after trying it
Some boxes contain currency points as a random prize, all doubles automatically become currency and all skins are purchasable by saving up said currency
it only ever gets 'stressful' around holiday events with rare quality skins have missed Witch Mercy from Halloween two years in a row but my fault for blowing my credits before the event started and not just buying myself it
aside from the ingame boxes, people can charge cash and buy boxes but it seems redundant to me since it is just the same boxes received from leveling, only in a higher quantity
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Re: What Are You Currently Playing? [Re: Tantrika]
#24790251 - 11/17/17 07:14 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was going to get battlefront 2 however ea has failed with yet another star wars game.
Instead i'm taking advantage of blizzards sale on overwatch right now for $20
I played the alpha and wasn't impressed. It's been out long enough for them to have worked out the kinks. Blizzard's top notch. They deserve my $20
I'll post my thoughts on the game after i've played for a bit.
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