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    #23821739 - 11/11/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Expand our refute my thesis please.

Unfounded overconfidence or pride ultimately debilitates entirely, by arriving at isolation brought by the self or others, via ones lack of social self awareness. Only a powerful external event(s)/stimuli can rock one's soul enough to shake them into awareness and allow for subsequent concious/internal and intentional change in personality rehabituation by holding fast to memory of why their learned patterns of behavior brought desire to change.

Having said that, if an ego is so powerful to be void of shame, guilt, or empathy, there will never be desire or question to change....and their personality will be burdensome to those around them.

One trait to combat isolation is deceit.

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Re: Hubris [Re: TameMe]
    #23821985 - 11/11/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's a FUN camp for adults, trust us!  You'll learn lots of new things with lots of new people.  Pride?  Not here!


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Re: Hubris [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23822036 - 11/11/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

nah, I don't wanna go to camp with adults... eeww!!!


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Re: Hubris [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23822107 - 11/11/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Jung thought some kind of dilemma or catastrophe was necessary for the development of personality, which is a gift, and the catastrophe a blessing in disguise.


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Re: Hubris [Re: TameMe]
    #23823232 - 11/11/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Expand our refute my thesis please.

Unfounded overconfidence or pride ultimately debilitates entirely, by arriving at isolation brought by the self or others, via ones lack of social self awareness. Only a powerful external event(s)/stimuli can rock one's soul enough to shake them into awareness and allow for subsequent concious/internal and intentional change in personality rehabituation by holding fast to memory of why their learned patterns of behavior brought desire to change.

Having said that, if an ego is so powerful to be void of shame, guilt, or empathy, there will never be desire or question to change....and their personality will be burdensome to those around them.

One trait to combat isolation is deceit.




I think you're statement is wrong in saying there is an external event/stimuli that can bring you awareness. I do however believe there are internal stimuli like entheogens with their anxiolytic effects that can expose to you a strong differentiation between sensations and perceptions.

I think accumulating the experience of a numbed fight or flight response from anxiolytics(anxiety reducing drugs) is what allows for a subsequent internal change of perspective from explicit to implicit.

In Freudian terms the Ego works to mediate between the wants of the ID and the perceived needs of the Super Ego, change can occur when the ID is inhibited with anxiolytics that allows the limbic system of the Ego and the Neocortex of the Super Ego to hyperconnect and communicate more efficiently.


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Re: Hubris [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23823481 - 11/11/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Great.  We'll let you come in after they fill up the porta potties and clean up.  We'll call you "the gardener" so you don't think you are actually dealing with the shit in a bad way, more like it's "fertilizer".


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Re: Hubris [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23824897 - 11/12/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Great.  We'll let you come in after they fill up the porta potties and clean up.  We'll call you "the gardener" so you don't think you are actually dealing with the shit in a bad way, more like it's "fertilizer".



I'm not going to your camp so you have to clean your own latrine.


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Re: Hubris [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23825201 - 11/12/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Great.  We'll let you come in after they fill up the porta potties and clean up.  We'll call you "the gardener" so you don't think you are actually dealing with the shit in a bad way, more like it's "fertilizer".



I'm not going to your camp so you have to clean your own latrine.




It says you are on the schedule so we will see.


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Re: Hubris [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23827022 - 11/12/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm, hubris is of the effect of time...which is where the Ego lies..but hubris can be yoked to the Soul..which is in a permanent section of the current or now moment..of existence...

So hubris can be described categorically as a moment in which we receive our selves..as we are...and therefore a moment to appreciate and build self esteem..and self confidence...so the Bris..of the so called hubris could be said to be self actualizing!

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Re: Hubris [Re: sudly]
    #23827443 - 11/12/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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TameMe said:
Expand our refute my thesis please.

Unfounded overconfidence or pride ultimately debilitates entirely, by arriving at isolation brought by the self or others, via ones lack of social self awareness. Only a powerful external event(s)/stimuli can rock one's soul enough to shake them into awareness and allow for subsequent concious/internal and intentional change in personality rehabituation by holding fast to memory of why their learned patterns of behavior brought desire to change.

Having said that, if an ego is so powerful to be void of shame, guilt, or empathy, there will never be desire or question to change....and their personality will be burdensome to those around them.

One trait to combat isolation is deceit.




I think you're statement is wrong in saying there is an external event/stimuli that can bring you awareness. I do however believe there are internal stimuli like entheogens with their anxiolytic effects that can expose to you a strong differentiation between sensations and perceptions.

I think accumulating the experience of a numbed fight or flight response from anxiolytics(anxiety reducing drugs) is what allows for a subsequent internal change of perspective from explicit to implicit.

In Freudian terms the Ego works to mediate between the wants of the ID and the perceived needs of the Super Ego, change can occur when the ID is inhibited with anxiolytics that allows the limbic system of the Ego and the Neocortex of the Super Ego to hyperconnect and communicate more efficiently.





Entheogens are not internal...that would def be an outside stimuli being introduced

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Re: Hubris [Re: TameMe]
    #23827479 - 11/12/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Entheogens are internal, as is food.

The drug itself may be externally originated but the stimuli is internal once ingested.


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Re: Hubris [Re: TameMe]
    #23827952 - 11/13/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the best authentic meaning of 'hubris' I have learnt was from Dan Russell in his book Shamanism and the Drug Propaganda. Officially its etymology from ancient Greek is  "presumption toward the gods;".

So what is meant by 'gods'. Well the Greek Olympian pantheon of gods, and these were 'immortal' gods who were contrived (by the creator of this myth-- to be distant and aloof, and the puppet master of humans, 'mortals' their puppets.

They were ensaged as kind of superhumans, devoid of animal or vegetative attributes. This was VERY unlike the old gods. Why? because the old gods were not superhuman aloof gods on Mount Olympus but the very psychedelic vegetation you eat!! They metaphorically died and resurrected for you to live. So it was meaning direct ecstatic experience.

What this new contrived theocracy did was divide people FROM this  needed natural ecstatic experience where you and 'god' inflow as one dynamic experience, and rather thought up the 'sin if hubris', said to be the worst sin, which was a trying to bridge a gap between 'mortal' and 'immortal'. Yes, an insidious toxic mindcontrol via toxic myth.

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    #23828601 - 11/13/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ahh, propaganda!


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    #23832004 - 11/14/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Donald Trump is the most prominent example of an ego-inflation that resists even the idea that he is ever wrong about anything. The myth of Icarus as Jung explained it illustrates a crisis which does not result in positive change, but complete destruction. This is why a Sociopathic Narcissist (no "shame, guilt or empathy" in sociopathy) is perhaps the very worst kind of personality disorder combination to be and have possession of a HUGE thermonuclear arsenal. :eek: Trump, like Icarus, heeds no advice but acts on impulse oriented towards further self-aggrandizement. Icarus was advised by his wise father Daedalus to take a middle path - not too close to the dark, watery depths lest moisture cling to his wings and drag him down, nor too close to the fiery heights lest the heat of the sun melt the wax which kept the wings intact. Icarus took no heed but mounted ever higher (which is ego-inflation) with the result that his wings melted and he fell into the depth of the cold dark waters and perished.

Those who take too high a dose of psychedelics, and who get too close to the Light of Superconsciousness sometimes experience the opposite - psychological blindness and madness. Looking into the actual sun will cause blindness, but in the context of ego-inflation, hubris is followed by humiliation, storming the light of heaven results in a plunge into the darkness of the unconscious - the Icarus Complex. Proverbs 16:18 puts it this way: "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." And in the mythology of the New Testament, "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out" - Luke 13:28. Hubris followed by confusion and madness is told in the biblical story of the Tower of Babel  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2011:1-9 and The Tower Tarot card illustrates two men be blasted by lightning (a symbol of God's wrath) in Greek as well as in Hebrew myth (1 Kings 18:38). A tower symbolizes man's will to rise above the multitudes to attain a god-like status (hubris) whether it's Saruman in the Tolkien trilogy (a modern myth), The Tower of Tarot, the Tower of Babel, or Trump Tower!

The message is that this myth is invariant in its outcome."Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." I pray that Trump is deposed in a way that the country (or the world) doesn't crash and burn in a thermonuclear conflagration while Trump and his family hole up in the NORAD Cheyenne Mountain Facility and watch the world burn from safely inside a mountain. Like Nero who played his lyre while Rome burned, set by his own centurians simply to have something cataclysmic to blame on the philosophically passive Christians, Trump never assumes responsibility for his wrong-doing, he blames others with the infantile grandiosity a vindictive toddler. We are all now subject to The Power of Myth as Joseph Campbell put it, and those of us who know how myths organize reality, fear the worst.


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Re: Hubris [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23834657 - 11/15/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

We are in such trouble in this country, Trump is just another puppet in this play.  I predicted Hillary won't get prosecuted Trump has already backed off on that position.  We can expect the great wall in Mexico to become a few more fences, maybe. 

I had commented years ago about him running for president.  The Celebrity Apprentice in particular had him sitting on the power pulpit and judging our heroes, celebrities, in a power manner.  His minions stood by his side, his one son will make a great CIA dude.  Eric I think his name is.

Anyway, it's all scripted, from way back, Hillary had become a liability given the leaks of obvious criminality combined with her falling down a lot and just not a nice person.

As to your fear of Trump being more likely to push the nuclear button, time will tell, but I suspect Hillary might have been more likely to pursue that route.  Who really knows, maybe that presidential 3 AM red phone stuff is all BS too.


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