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Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge 1
#23824777 - 11/12/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This was a discussion in another thread and I thought it would be better to have its own thread.

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Spiritual nudity is a sin, physical nudity isn't.
Revelations (3, 17):"You say to yourself, "I am rich, I have made a fortune, and have everything I want", never realizing that you are wretchedly and pitiably poor, and blind and naked too. I warn you, buy from me the gold that has been tested in the fire to make you really rich, and white robes to clothe you and cover your shameful nakedness, and eye ointment to put on your eyes so that you are able to see."
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ZacksJourney said: You explained nothing.
You are asking for an explanation that is at the heart and core of the deepest Spiritual Understanding.
The Tree of Knowledge is God - Entheogens. The Serpent is Christ. The picture shows Eve, Adam and the Serpent offering what obviously looks like a red Amanita Muscaria Mushroom to Eve from an Amanita Muscaria Mushroom Tree (the Tree of Knowledge).
People who are blind to the Understanding and belief that Entheogens are God and the Serpent (who Proclaims the Name of God) is Christ, are Spiritually naked. Eve and Adam were in "sin" - they didn't know who God was and worshiped the god of the world, (who made them). They were "naked" of God's Blessing, and blind to this shame.
Wisdom summons you in her goodness, saying, "Come to Me, all of you, O foolish ones, that you may receive a gift, the understanding which is good and excellent. I am giving to you a high-priestly garment which is woven from every (kind of) wisdom." -- Teachings of St. Silvanus (Gnostic)
The "fig leaf" is the clothing of the Holy Spirit (Wisdom).
Eve and Adam didn't "fall from grace". They started out, like Ishmael, not in God's favor. They were unaware of this "nakedness" and not ashamed. When they ate from the Tree, their Spiritual Eyes were opened and they saw their Spiritual nakedness.
By accepting God and the Serpent, they were given the Blessing of the Holy Spirit, (Wisdom) and were no longer Spiritually naked.
When they were "naked" they belonged to Satan. The Garden of Eden was hell.
They "fell" from hell.
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TempestDnB said: What if it's actually a psilocybe? Because amanitas are honestly not that spiritual
My belief is that the Tree is all (classic) Entheogens but the red Amanita is obviously what is pictured and is an icon that's lasted for millennia.
And there's many people, (including myself) who would disagree that Amanitas are not Spiritual.
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Didn't know mushrooms grew on trees.
Anyhow, it's a nice interpretation. So god tell them not to eat god.. I see, and the serpent is the good boy.
The problem of our world started when people gave explanations and meanings to human writings, which created religion, and here we are.
There is the god of the world and the God of Heaven.
Genesis has 2 "creation" stories. The 1st one starts with "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth." This God created humans in Their Image and gave them "all the seed bearing fruit for food". I.e. - they were to be vegetarians. This God also told all creatures "I give you all the green growth for food." I.e. - they also were to be vegetarians.
In the 2nd creation story, this "god" created Adam from the dust of the ground (not "in God's Image). The name "Adam" means "dust". This "god" also forbade the eating of the Tree of Knowledge, just as the world governments have made Entheogens illegal.
Hades was considered a "god" and so was the pharaoh.
"I have said 'You are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High' but you will die like mortals and fall like one of the princes." -- Psalm 82, 6
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I don't know if you are familiar with Documentary hypothesis, but obviously, Genesis does not have 2 creation stories that goes hand by hand. It's supposed to be the same story, but it's contradictory.
This is one of the many evidence that the Torah was not given by god to moses, but was written by several people throughout the history, several versions that the editor of the bible just put together because he "wasn't sure" which was "right". And the 2 first chapters of Genesis are just a drop in the ocean.
I'll give some examples: First story: Adam and Eve were created together. Second story: Adam first, Eve later.
First story: Adam was created before the animals. Second story: Adam was created after them.
First story: God was called Elohim. Second story: Adonay was added.
Btw, Adam in hebrew does not mean "dust", it means Man. It resembles Adama, which is "earth".
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This "god" also forbade the eating of the Tree of Knowledge, just as the world governments have made Entheogens illegal.
And here are those interpretations again, common man... You're comparing "God the creator of all" to the government, with totally different interests.
Read some documentary hypothesis, you'll be convinced that the bible was not written by any god, so, your argument is invalid.
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Hades was considered a "god" and so was the pharaoh.
"I have said 'You are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High' but you will die like mortals and fall like one of the princes." -- Psalm 82, 6
The english translation kind of ruined the so called sacred Hebrew meaning. God in this chapter of Psalm is "Elohim", which in hebrew means - "powers". The stars and the ancient gods are also "Elohim".
And about Psalm 82.. u can't take 2 phrases and distort them. King David speaks about how the Israeli people are a part of god, his children, apart from the "Goiem" which are the non-israeli people.
That my friend does not mean whatever that is you are trying to say.
I would ask you this:
Do you think it is a sin to eat Entheogens, the Tree of Knowledge ? Or, do you think that Entheogens/the Tree of Knowledge, has "opened your eyes" and made you into a better person?
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Good idea my friend, I do enjoy this discussion.
First of all, sin in the eyes of who? God of the bible? Government? my own conscience? The universe? Sin is a very general misused word.
Second, you insist that entheogens are the Tree of Knowledge, I beg to differ. So putting the lovely tree aside, I do think that entheogens opened my eyes, can't say to be a better person, because this too is relative.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: endogenous]
#23824795 - 11/12/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ZacksJourney said: Quote:
I do think that entheogens opened my eyes,
Who are you going to believe -- you or your eyes?
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened" -- Genesis, 3,4
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: endogenous]
#23824819 - 11/12/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel like "eating from the tree of knowledge" has definetely made me a better person
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: endogenous]
#23824844 - 11/12/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I still think those are psilocybe mushrooms depicted.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: endogenous]
#23824868 - 11/12/16 03:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do think that entheogens opened my eyes,
Who are you going to believe -- you or your eyes?
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened" -- Genesis, 3,4
Who is the one who believes, who is the me to believe to, and how my eyes are not part of all that?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: endogenous]
#23825253 - 11/12/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Endogenous said:
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The Serpent is Christ.
People who are blind to the Understanding and belief that Entheogens are God and the Serpent (who Proclaims the Name of God) is Christ, are Spiritually naked. Eve and Adam were in "sin" - they didn't know who God was and worshiped the god of the world, (who made them). They were "naked" of God's Blessing, and blind to this shame.
Eve and Adam didn't "fall from grace". They started out, like Ishmael, not in God's favor. They were unaware of this "nakedness" and not ashamed. When they ate from the Tree, their Spiritual Eyes were opened and they saw their Spiritual nakedness.
By accepting God and the Serpent, they were given the Blessing of the Holy Spirit, (Wisdom) and were no longer Spiritually naked.
When they were "naked" they belonged to Satan. The Garden of Eden was hell.
They "fell" from hell.
In sum: God is the devil/ "the god of the world" and Eden is Hell and the Serpent is the savior, Christ, bringing wisdom and freedom... Typical Satanic inversion.
"The Serpent is Christ"? Less than 3 months ago you were telling me that
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King David was Christ.
...and that Jesus was a sinner.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23536753#23536753
Now, you say it is the serpent who is Christ.
Is the serpent Christ? Or is it plainly written:
"(...)that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan(...)" Rev 20:2
Martin Luther states:
"Let us therefore, establish in the first place that the serpent is a real serpent, but one that has been entered and taken over by Satan(...)"
What happens next?
"And the Lord God said to the serpent, 'Because you have done this, cursed are you more than all cattle, more than every beast of the field; on your belly shall you go and dust shall you eat all the days of your life." Genesis 3:14-15
By your definitions, here "Entheogens" are cursing your "Christ"...
As we can see, this makes no sense.
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God also said, "Look, I have given you every seed-bearing plant(...)"
Genesis 1:29
You claim seed-bearing entheogens ARE God... created by "the god of the world" AKA Satan?
Satan made entheogens (AKA your "God")... again, this makes no sense.
2nd Corinthians 4:4, “Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.”
You may think you are enlightened, but as Yashua said "Be careful, then, that the light within you is not darkness." Luke 11:35
Jesus as the Christ
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13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
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20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.
Matthew 16:13-20
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: flickedbic] 1
#23825314 - 11/12/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The ability to juxtapose the psychedelic experience onto the christian genesis creation myth or vice a versa is tempting because there seems such a tight fitting overlay.
But, I do believe this is just one of our ways of attempting to reconcile powerful myth with powerful experience and vice a versa.
Its a very interesting concept to entertain and more so to simulate it within experience but I do notice the shoe does not realllllly fit.
So because of that you see people attempting to squeeze the foot into the shoe with things like reversing meaning of symbols and yada yada etc etc you know the deal, changing elements of the story of experience to fit together. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. Just my 2 cents.
Lets be real here, a perfect match between the two would allow for basically no argument from all parties. And there is much dispute, and not just because people are inexperienced in entheogenic plants.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: ZacksJourney]
#23827789 - 11/13/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ZacksJourney said:
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endogenous said: ZacksJourney said: Quote:
I do think that entheogens opened my eyes,
Who are you going to believe -- you or your eyes?
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened" -- Genesis, 3,4
Who is the one who believes, who is the me to believe to, and how my eyes are not part of all that?
Here is my belief:
You ingested an Entheogen. They "opened your Eye" (the 3rd Eye).
To some extent you saw through your "nakedness" -- i.e., things you now feel embarrassed that you used to be into.
I don't know what country you are from, but in most countries of the world, Entheogens (God), is illegal. (The Tree of Knowledge is forbidden.) You then have to hide from the government "god" - Hades.
"If our gospel doesn't penetrate the veil, then it's the veil on those who are not on their way to salvation -- the people who the god of the world has blinded, to stop them from seeing the Light - shed by the good news - of the Glory of Christ -- who is the Image of God....It is the same God that said, "Let there be Light shining out of darkness," Who has shone in our minds to radiate the Light of the knowledge of God's glory, the glory on the face of Christ." -- -- 2nd Corinthians, 4,1 (St. Paul)
Notice that he said that Christ is "the Image of God" and not "the image of dust".
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: connectedcosmos]
#23827809 - 11/13/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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connectedcosmos said: I feel like "eating from the tree of knowledge" has definetely made me a better person
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: ZacksJourney]
#23827818 - 11/13/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ZacksJourney said: Who is the one who believes, who is the me to believe to, and how my eyes are not part of all that?
There is alot of talk about "ego death" among the people of Entheogens.
The god of the world said, "for on the day you eat of it you will surely die".
But, I would say, that the "ego" doesn't die until you accept that Entheogens/the Tree of Knowledge, is God.
Then, you are reborn as well - as a child of God/Entheogens.
"The real Light, which enlightens every person, was coming then into the world . They entered the world - the world which existed through Them, yet the world did not recognize Them; They came to what was Their own, yet Their own folk did not welcome Them. On those who have accepted Them, however, They have conferred the right of being children of God, that is, on those who believe in Their Name, who owe this birth of theirs to God, not to human blood, nor to any impulse of the flesh or of humans." – St. John, 1, 9
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: endogenous]
#23827827 - 11/13/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You do not confront the questions given to you. You keep to recite your beliefs. There are no 2 gods, it's well known that the first two chapters of Genesis are contradicted, 2 versions written by men, but you still insist that there are 2 gods.
So there's the god of the world who created everything, so he created the tree of knowledge as well, right? or the tree created itself without the other god permission? the first god according to genesis and to you, created the trees and the plants. So there are two gods, so who created them? and who created the one who created them?
There is no sense in what you're saying.
Just eat the fucking mushrooms, god is dead.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: ZacksJourney]
#23827931 - 11/13/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ZacksJourney said: Genesis are contradicted, 2 versions written by men, but you still insist that there are 2 gods.
So there's the god of the world who created everything, so he created the tree of knowledge as well, right? or the tree created itself without the other god permission? the first god according to genesis and to you, created the trees and the plants. So there are two gods, so who created them? and who created the one who created them?
The word "Elohim" meant "Gods". The Canaanite religion which dates back to possibly 3500 BC worshiped the Elohim and there was more than 2 of Them. Abraham lived at around 2000 BC.
No one created God/Entheogens - They are eternal.
"They are the eternal among things that pass away. Pure Consciousness, of conscious beings. The ONE Who fulfills the prayers of many. Only the wise who see Them in their souls, attain the peace eternal". --Katha Upanishad
The "Creator" God is the Tree of Knowledge/Entheogens. That is who the "New Testament" calls "the Father".
Those who believe in Them are Their Children. In the Hindu religion, the Children of Soma were called "Gods". -- That is who the Elohim are.
Just as the legitimate children in a family are called by the family name, the same is true of those who believe in the true God - although I prefer to call them "Saints" in order to not confuse the overwhelming Power of God without whom the Saints could do nothing.
(Christ said),"I can do nothing of my own accord. I pass judgment on people as I am taught by God. And my judgment is just - because my aim is not my own will - ut the Will of Those who sent me."" -- St. John, 5, 30
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: endogenous]
#23827974 - 11/13/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No one created (...)Entheogens - They are eternal.
The "Creator" God is (...)Entheogens.
This is the most retarded thing I've heard this month, and I've been in Rhizohunter threads (no offense Rhizo).
What more can be expected from a satanist who turns the gospel on it's head to suit his purpose?
We see how
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All of them are put to shame and confounded; the makers of idols go in confusion together.
Job 13:15 :
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(Christ said),"I can do nothing of my own accord. I pass judgment on people as I am taught by God(...)"" -- St. John, 5, 30
3 months ago you were adamantly defending how "King David was Christ."
In the beginning of this thread you said "the Serpent is Christ."
Now, you quote Yashua/Jesus as being the Christ.
Oh, how the prophecies of Job are fullfilled in you.
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: flickedbic]
#23827991 - 11/13/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm out. It feels like i'm talking to the western wall.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: ZacksJourney]
#23828001 - 11/13/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's obvious he impresses his beliefs of reality onto the Bible rather than finding the truth in and about it.
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I look at reality to define the Bible.
- endogenous, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23551904#23551904
Haha... the endogenous Satanist has put me on ignore now.
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: ZacksJourney]
#23829394 - 11/13/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm aware of the theory that 2 different schools wrote the 2 stories. I don't believe that. I'm sure there is plenty of contradictory things that were put into the bible by editors and translators - but this wasn't one of them. For instance, God said "Thou shalt not kill" but Deuteronomy says to stone anyone to death who says to worship a different god.
The story of Job talks about the Children of God meeting and Satan was among Them. And, of course, people generally believe that Lucifer was an angel who was thrown out of heaven. So Lucifer was one of the Elohim.
The "god" of the garden of eden was like that.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: endogenous]
#23829442 - 11/13/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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One of the rules of this forum is that flaming is not allowed. I put flickedbic on my ignore list.
If someone wants to talk in a respectful and civil way, I'm glad to talk to them. If someone wants to flame and insult - you will be on my ignore list.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23830994 - 11/14/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: The ability to juxtapose the psychedelic experience onto the christian genesis creation myth or vice a versa is tempting because there seems such a tight fitting overlay.
But, I do believe this is just one of our ways of attempting to reconcile powerful myth with powerful experience and vice a versa.
Its a very interesting concept to entertain and more so to simulate it within experience but I do notice the shoe does not realllllly fit.
I see just the opposite -- the shoe fits exactly.
However, I don't look at the bible to understand what Christ is saying- I look at Christ to understand what the bible is saying.
The bible is full of contradictions. That is because the bible is a field that was planted with wheat, but the evil one came at night and planted weeds. (As Christ said in St. Matthew, 13,25)
If you're looking for a shoe to fit the whole bible from God/Entheogens -- you won't find one. You also won't find one from the devil.
The only way you can find a shoe that fits is if you separate the wheat from the chaff.
Then you will see what is from God and what is from Hades.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria -- the Tree of Knowledge [Re: endogenous]
#23844022 - 11/18/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying : "Whom shall I send? Who will be our messenger?"
I answered, "Here I am, send me." 9 He said : "Go, and say to this people,
'You listen and listen but do not understand, you look and look but do not perceive.'
10 The heart of this people is gross, its ear dull; its eyes, shut, so that it will not see with its eyes, hear with its ears, understand with its heart, and be converted and healed."
11 Then I said, "Until when, Lord?" He answered : "Until towns have been laid to waste and deserted, houses left untenanted, countryside made desolate, 12 and Yahweh drives the people out.
There will be a great emptiness in the country 13 and, though a tenth of the people remain, it will be stripped like a terebinth of which, once felled, only the stock remains.
The stock is a holy seed."
-- Isaiah 6,8
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