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agreedwitboardrule
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Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms.
#23824733 - 11/12/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi everyone,
I am wondering, what happens when you take way higher than normal doses of shrooms?
If anyone could explain scientifically/chemically whats happening in your head that would be great.
If anyone has tried 15grams or more and can recount the experience, also great.
I had a friend who took 5.5 and experienced ego loss, had a bunch of good things happen (increased feelings of empathy, able to move past some emotional blocks, ect ect).
I am curious, if i dropped 10 or 30 grams, would I just pass out? would I meet jesus/jeebus? What are your thoughts?
Thanks
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It's a very psychotic shit that will change your mindset. Everything you thought was real loses its coherence and nothing is real anymore
Edited by Gaspard (11/12/16 02:46 AM)
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Gaspard]
#23824890 - 11/12/16 04:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Woah that first video is the most identical thing I've found to DMT visuals. I don't have much experience with high shroom dosages but I know the two are very similar
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: EnemaOfState]
#23824900 - 11/12/16 04:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Make it in tea form, I used apple cider packets for my tea, you will go from sober to peaking in about 5-10 minutes so there is no time for a bad trip to form due to come up anxiety.
I used to take a quarter nightly in tea form of PE shrooms, and I was so far gone I'd forget who or what I am, just plant myself somewhere safe with a pack of cigarettes and trip out of my mind.
Ive seen so many people build up bad trips while coming up, I'd only ever do tea with shrooms again, nice thing is with that slap you awake peaking immediately the come down starts an hour or so later (baseline at maybe 4-5 hours).
Not a boil, but a light simmer of the dried fruits for 5-10 minutes with a packet of something tasty, slame it and enjoy being tripped out
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: EnemaOfState]
#23825082 - 11/12/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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EnemaOfState said: Woah that first video is the most identical thing I've found to DMT visuals. I don't have much experience with high shroom dosages but I know the two are very similar
The closest to dmt visuals i have come across was in DMT the spirit molecule..they hit the nail on the head in that documentary
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23825162 - 11/12/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm done with super high trips for now. They make your head feel toxic.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: sunshine]
#23825357 - 11/12/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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sunshine said: I'm done with super high trips for now. They make your head feel toxic.
Whats the highest dose of shrooms you took?
Are you done with high doses of all psyches or just mush?
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23825370 - 11/12/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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14 g is my strength. I wouldn't take more than 1 mg of LSD. I'm looking forward to taking many low dose, mellow trips.
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Had a buddy that ate 14 grams once. He ended up seeing sounds and hearing color and eventually pasted out.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: dreaz]
#23825552 - 11/12/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wouldnt eat more than a quarter. I might not even make it that far but i hope i do. If i get to 5.5 and it went well id probably go right to 7 after a 2 or 3 month break.
Ive been taking lower doses lately. I plan on taking 3 grams by myself to remind myself what im getting into. Then ill do 4 grams.
I kind of want to jumo right to four becayse i know that there is a good chance that ill talk myself out of doing four. I always get nervois right before i dose. But its been a While since ive taken a 3-3.5g dose so i should. Start with 3.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23825714 - 11/12/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone who goes past microdosing gets a pretty cool head. I did high dose to become a member of the Afro Posse.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23825721 - 11/12/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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20g B+ Lemon Tek'd: Ego Dissolution and Cellular Orgasms 9g: Lost all sense of reality. Utter insanity.
My two trip reports of high dose experiences. Since then I've done 10g a couple times and 15g once. I think the 15g trip was about a year ago and was my last mushroom trip. I'll definitely do them again and at high doses too, but the need just isn't there right now.
But to answer your questions. Who knows what will happen? My high dose trips have been quite varied. From amazingly beautiful to utterly terrifying. Above 10g though I definitely go through ego dissolution and white out. Would that happen to you? Maybe, maybe not. There's only one way to find out.
But if you do decide to go deep, take it slow. Up your dose incrementally over several months. The strength of a dose seems to increase almost exponentially. So a 10g trip is not just double a 5g trip, it's far stronger. So tread carefully because it's very easy to get in over your head.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: fractaloctopus]
#23825732 - 11/12/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I communicated with God my first time. That used to be one of the qualities of a level 5 trip. 14 g is level 5.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: sunshine]
#23825815 - 11/12/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I ate 32 g with no tolerance. Room turned into a Rubik's cube looking thing with each "square" flipping" around and changing color, entities popping in and out of them. I had some nausea probably due to a quadruple shot I drank (terrible idea to drink on psychs) felt really weird and super fast paced and alien.
I also ate 20+ grams and was with 2 other people who also ate mushrooms from the same bag. We all experienced telepathy and finishing each others thoughts warping of all objects and blurring the lines between what is me and what is not me. As in my body was physically feelable but not really visible like where's my arm and not the couch?
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: sunshine]
#23825837 - 11/12/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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that first video is perfect. Absolutely perfect.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Bernard]
#23825860 - 11/12/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ive only taken at the most 6g of shrooms on top of 4g of maoi which was my most powerful shroom experience, very DMT like but it was pretty easy to manage.
oral DMT is similar to very high doses of mushrooms but just feels of a "higher frequency" and "speed/complexity"
so ive pushed my limits on oral dmt which is roughly 250-300mg DMT with 4g syrian rue(maoi)
and at those doses the best description would be the emotional and psychological process/state of dying.
almost seems like your fight or flight sense is going into overload which causes a state of extreme psychological stress/shock.
At least this is a typical reaction to massive overdoses. Other times it can be endured rather smoothly and without much overwhelming panic.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: EnemaOfState]
#23828013 - 11/13/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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EnemaOfState said: Woah that first video is the most identical thing I've found to DMT visuals. I don't have much experience with high shroom dosages but I know the two are very similar
Thanks, I've never done Dmt myself, but from my shroom trips I just searched the closest looking clips to my visuals put them together using Sony Vegas, syncronized them with the music Mongol Kadmanie and the end result was this video.
Edited by Gaspard (11/13/16 05:58 AM)
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Gaspard]
#23829396 - 11/13/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I accidentally weighed semi dry shrooms like they were wet. Somewhere around 35gs, consequently it was close to a 35g trip. I blacked out and just remember coming to 2 movies later lol
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I've dosed pretty high before, but never over 10 dry grams. That's into the pointlessly strong territory for me.
I would be less concerned with what the visuals would be like at that dose, and more concerned with the fact that my mind would be completely obliterated. I've read trip reports on here of people just laying on the ground curled in a ball unable to really move or think at doses over 10 dry grams.
Sure, some people are hard heads that claim to do 10, 15 on the regular, but for the average person such a dose is completely incapacitating. And even worse, if you're not incapacitated by it, you're committing actions that you have little control over due to the complete obliteration of your mind.
If you ever dose that high, expect to be completely comatose and unable to function for the duration of the trip.
Also, I would not like to see the come up on more than 10 grams...
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You'd probably just have a very long and intense DMT-like or Ayahuasca-like breakthrough psychedelic experience and come in contact with things that are very primordial, cosmic and alien.
I personally think people have gone much farther with mushrooms than with even DMT and ayahuasca. I think acid and mushrooms have taken people farther than any other psychedelic or substance.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: nooneman]
#23830050 - 11/13/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I've dosed pretty high before, but never over 10 dry grams. That's into the pointlessly strong territory for me.
I would be less concerned with what the visuals would be like at that dose, and more concerned with the fact that my mind would be completely obliterated. I've read trip reports on here of people just laying on the ground curled in a ball unable to really move or think at doses over 10 dry grams.
Sure, some people are hard heads that claim to do 10, 15 on the regular, but for the average person such a dose is completely incapacitating. And even worse, if you're not incapacitated by it, you're committing actions that you have little control over due to the complete obliteration of your mind.
If you ever dose that high, expect to be completely comatose and unable to function for the duration of the trip.
Also, I would not like to see the come up on more than 10 grams...

I'm not being hardheaded man but I naturally have a high tolerance for all drugs. it sucks TBH I wish that I could lose my mind on an eight of shrooms or a hit or two of pot
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: numnum59]
#23830101 - 11/13/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edited by PinPornProducer (11/13/16 06:41 PM)
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Quote:
agreedwitboardrule said: Hi everyone,
I am wondering, what happens when you take way higher than normal doses of shrooms?
If anyone could explain scientifically/chemically whats happening in your head that would be great.
If anyone has tried 15grams or more and can recount the experience, also great.
I had a friend who took 5.5 and experienced ego loss, had a bunch of good things happen (increased feelings of empathy, able to move past some emotional blocks, ect ect).
I am curious, if i dropped 10 or 30 grams, would I just pass out? would I meet jesus/jeebus? What are your thoughts?
Thanks
Yes that's a great way to waste your mushrooms. You have a limited amount of serotonine receptors in your brain. As far as I know, a dose around 7g hits them all, and anything above this limit is just a waste. Maybe faster onset, longer peak. But that's it.
To boost the process, try fasting 2 days before the trip. Or trip every 5-7 days (it seems to go deeper every time). Or smoke potent weed.
Good luck. I hope you won't win Darwin award.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: kyu]
#23832096 - 11/14/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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kyu said: Yes that's a great way to waste your mushrooms. You have a limited amount of serotonine receptors in your brain. As far as I know, a dose around 7g hits them all, and anything above this limit is just a waste. Maybe faster onset, longer peak. But that's it.
I would have to disagree with this to be honest.
the experience clearly gets more intense the higher you dose. and yes much past 7g level experience.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SleepyE]
#23834525 - 11/15/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is very very subjective. 10gr to one person might be similar to 2gr for another.
In my experience, for me, 8gr or so seems to be the optimal dose. I did 11gr and 10gr before and the beginning of the trips were divine but as more and more was absorbed it turned into nightmares.
I also think you learn to tolerate and maneuver the trip better over time and you get ready for more.
I would suggest to my younger brother, if i had one, to try 2gr, then do 5gr for a while.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Ifitbeyourwill]
#23834910 - 11/15/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have eaten a half oz dry before.
The fun really starts at about 5gr. people who eat a gram or two and think they got high are really missing the point. Yes a mild trip can be fun and the mood can be great on a low dose, it's probably a really good medicine for seasonal blahs, traumatic stress, and brain damages.
Clinical studies used 5mg 10mg and 25mg doses, at least the studies I read a long time ago this was the case. if you do the math, even the most potent variety of psylocibian shrooms contains only around 2mg of active alkaloid per gram of dry weight. So eating an 8th of shrooms is considered the very smallest effective clinical dose. eating a quarter oz is where the therapy can really start and doses larger than 20mg or half ounce dry begin to take on a dream-like quality where time-space can become tangible and grand destiny begins to come into focus. Concepts mortals typically never consider become obvious and seem common... it is difficult to explain and since each swims the tides a little different I try hard not to describe things others will consider as "given". Your mileage may vary.
long story short. Most people don't really know what a mushroom high can be. Even those who brag about eating large quantities might not really have seen what's there... please, walk softly for you tread upon my dreams.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: travelleler]
#23835048 - 11/15/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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travelleler said: Clinical studies used 5mg 10mg and 25mg doses, at least the studies I read a long time ago this was the case. if you do the math, even the most potent variety of psylocibian shrooms contains only around 2mg of active alkaloid per gram of dry weight. So eating an 8th of shrooms is considered the very smallest effective clinical dose.
Wouldn't 25mg of psilocybin only be like 2.5 grams of mushrooms?
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2.5 x 2mg = 5mg
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: travelleler]
#23835069 - 11/15/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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travelleler said: please, walk softly for you tread upon my dreams.
equilibrium?? or that book they was referencing?
careful preston, youre treading on my dreams!
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SleepyE]
#23835075 - 11/15/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Check out Kilindi Iyi
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: numnum59]
#23835083 - 11/15/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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numnum59 said: 2.5 x 2mg = 5mg
There is more than 2mg of psilocybin in 1 gram of dried mushrooms.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Hacendado]
#23835089 - 11/15/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hacendado said: Check out Kilindi Iyi
wow! in that video the description says entheogenic mushrooms were part of the kung Fu lifestyle.
i totally understand that. psychedelics taught me how to liquid(rave hand dance) when i only knew the very basics it made it flow like crazy and have wild complexity. it takes on a mind of its own and i usually do it while tripping in silent darkness as something to keep my hand busy or express the bodyload im feeling. Sort of like figgetting to work off the excess energy.
psychedelics and the metaphor of breakthrough has been applied to many activities in my life like bodybuilding and even piano playing.
i push weight with more aggression and play piano with more ferocity and i think it has to do with pin pointing that break through feeling because that is what separates the mediocre from the grandiose i think.
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Back in 1999, there was a trip report called 50 DRY GRAMS that was the most amazing thing I'd ever read, had to be legit. I think it was lost in the great Shroomery crash.
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I had 28 grams and I threw up pretty hard then I slowly dissolved into the fabric of spacetime. I felt every atom of my body break away and join the particles throughout the universe. I became everything at once it was mind breaking and I've never looked at the world the same since. that was my most frightening trip ever
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23839743 - 11/16/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I smoked some deemsters on the backside of a shroom trip after i had been drinking all day. I dissolved into the fucking blanket i had on top of me. It was a crazy feeling. When the dmt was over, i remember coming to andfeeling like i seperated from the blanket like how you see people get transported on sci fi shows lol
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: numnum59]
#23839748 - 11/16/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dissolving and reappearing
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: numnum59]
#23839872 - 11/16/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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10.5 grams. Of the best Mush I have ever had....
I felt all reality come apart like a complex puzzle box...
....8g dry cyans had me seeing the interconnectedness of all reality
But this last run of 7n7 had me so so fucking tripped out...
This last trip was for sure the farthest I've ever gone on and the most tripped-out I've ever been in my life
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#23839892 - 11/16/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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voodoochild1000 said: 10.5 grams. Of the best Mush I have ever had....
I felt all reality come apart like a complex puzzle box...
Gonna do this friday night. My new batch ive been testing potency. 7g last Thursday it was good but i coulda handles more. Either going camping or chilling with in a dark room with music and my wife
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#23843359 - 11/17/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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travelleler said: please, walk softly for you tread upon my dreams.
equilibrium?? or that book they was referencing?
careful preston, youre treading on my dreams! 
It's from WB Yeats. He wrote some stuff via automatik. Also wrote a book with his wife as channel... recall, at one time it was considered fashionable to be an intellectual... and drinking the ink is an old thing, nothing new. I'm certain they used fungi in their ritual.
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numnum59 said: 2.5 x 2mg = 5mg
There is more than 2mg of psilocybin in 1 gram of dried mushrooms.
link? or proove it!! the work I reference from memory was from the 1980s if your homies cubes are 'the bomb' they can have as much as 2% per dry gram of active alkaloids. Of the thousands assayed the most the cubies have is like 1.9%. Azzies have more like 2% and a half percent more of the psilocin. so 2.5% active alkaloid. you'd need 10g of the very best fresh dried fungi to get 25mg of psilocybin. Double that dose if they are old dried out cubies. knocking on the door at 40mg is the realm of possibility only with a contingency plan like an ice bath or a personal bouncer and a heavy sedative on hand just in case. That's how they roll in clinicals. Seems wise to be ready for an emergency exit when you're really traveling deep.
of course they never used MAOIs in the early studies... that would be interesting.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: travelleler]
#23843910 - 11/18/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude it's like at least 8mg for every 1 gram of dried shrooms. That's why when people like McKenna say "under the influence of 30 milligrams of psilocybin.." it's a normal dose.
Maybe the "study" you're referring to for some odd reason only counted psilocybin but not psilocin also because the mushroom is usually about equal parts psilocybin and psilocin because psilocin does exist naturally in the mushroom it's not just converted into that in the body. Probably why mushrooms hit you in waves because half of it is already psilocin no need to be converted and ready to go to your brain.
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1 percent is 1/100
1mg is 1/1000g
2% of 1g is 20mg.
Math .. 
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Potent cubes have about 1% of active alkaloids. "An eight" of cubes is about 30mg of psilocin. Psilocybe mexicana were cultivated and examined first in the 1960s. Hofmann used "twelve pairs of mature mushrooms" for his first Psilocybe self-attempt. 
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I have eaten a half ounce of cubes a few times.
For the most part it was uncomfortable, my body started crying out for relief and all of my pores opened at once like a sprinkler system. I felt much better after that.
I have seen god twice, he's like a shining star that just twinkles at you for a moment then disappears back into the void. He's never said anything directly to me, he didn't need to. It was very emotional and pleasing to me. I really doubt it was any type of Christian god. I believe it was the collective intelligence of the earth, the spirit if you will. It felt like I was meeting a very intelligent animal.
If you believe you can handle it, I'd say go for it. Just don't be surprised if you are convinced of something ridiculous for several hours. One time on a heroic dose I was convinced that I wasn't real, and that I was only an actual person when people interacted with me. Like a magical mannequin, haha. I was pretty okay with this, but it might freak other people out.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Get Shwifty]
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I've eaten ounces at a time, multiple times.
I don't really recommend it... in my experience 2-3g's of "proper" cubensis ie; Penis Envy or some other good variety is all you need.
At a quarter or above the physical nausea and such outweighs the benefits and for this strong of a trip I would just go directly for Lucy or DMT.
While I have far more experience with cubes, I prefer Lucy & DMT. I feel as if they each have their own lessons to teach and now when I take cubes I just keep going back to the same place which is transcending and interesting but I don't seem to gain any higher knowledge from it unless it is extremely spread out (for me, like once every couple of years)
Over 10 years of psych experience now, so I've... done the chin-dig whackey monkey more times than you can count.
I've also tried to trip everyday for a month. This is actually how I ended up eating ounces at a time, from sheer tolerance buildup. I'd end up with large quantities of extra and I pushed things to the max when I was younger; and I don't really think it was beneficial for anything.
I stand by cubes as spiritual sacraments, things to be feared and respected and used in extreme moderation...that's all taking too much taught me; quite the 101.
In proper doses, the occasional ego-death can be very beneficial for mental and physical well being, but set and setting and moderation are everything with these substances.
My advice in short, don't be an idiot you're not impressing anyone and you will sometimes find things you wish you hadn't if you abuse them.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
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Pandemoon said: 1 percent is 1/100
1mg is 1/1000g
2% of 1g is 20mg.
Math .. 
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Potent cubes have about 1% of active alkaloids. "An eight" of cubes is about 30mg of psilocin. Psilocybe mexicana were cultivated and examined first in the 1960s. Hofmann used "twelve pairs of mature mushrooms" for his first Psilocybe self-attempt. 
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Yeah I meant 0.2% and it can vary up to 2% but not usually 
from the Greek Milli, Micro, Nano. Milli-- is 1000th. micro is 10,000th and nano is 100,000th. So a microgram is 1000 smaller than a milligram
.25 of a gram is 2.5mg.
here is a direct quote, "...In general, the psilocybin content of mushrooms is quite variable (ranging from almost nothing to 1.5% of the dry weight)[115] and depends on species, strain, growth and drying conditions, and mushroom size.[116] Cultivated mushrooms have less variability in psilocybin content than wild mushrooms..." (from wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#Natural_occurrence)
if you follow the link there is a handy dandy table showing about a dozen different species and their maximum psilocybin content. Cubes are listed as being no more than .63% or 6.3mg per gram, and cultivated shrooms typically have less.
what's more, lab testing is difficult without a permit and assay standards for active mushrooms aren't available in every lab. It would be hard to prove or disprove these numbers as a result...
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: travelleler]
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Milli-- is 1000th.
.25 of a gram is 2.5mg.
First part yes, second part no.
1mg is 1/1000 of a gram .25 of a gram is 250mg
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
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I ate 10g of liberty caps and was sent off into a space much like that video that was posted. Tho to me I was witnessing the creating of all matter and time unravel before my eyes. No entities unless the supreme energy I was feeing was an entity itself.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SonicTitan]
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agreedwitboardrule said: Hi everyone,
I am wondering, what happens when you take way higher than normal doses of shrooms?
If anyone could explain scientifically/chemically whats happening in your head that would be great.
If anyone has tried 15grams or more and can recount the experience, also great.
I had a friend who took 5.5 and experienced ego loss, had a bunch of good things happen (increased feelings of empathy, able to move past some emotional blocks, ect ect).
I am curious, if i dropped 10 or 30 grams, would I just pass out? would I meet jesus/jeebus? What are your thoughts?
Thanks
In addiction to my previous post (I won't even answer that meeting Jeebus question... )
Unless you've had series of cultured/cloned fruits lab tested via chromatography, you will never know what you are taking. And even then, it's entirely subjective.
Most cubensis are multi-spore, and are entirely random. You could have one batch that is completely bunk, with a single shroom on it with an unheard of potency. You just cannot know. Best to play it safe, find a solid clone or isolate with a potency that agrees with you, and stick to a moderated dose.
Obsessing over these details will only lead your mind to places it shouldn't be focusing on during the trip.
Just my
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SonicTitan]
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What about rue + shrooms?
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
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I picked them. They were liberty caps. I was just reflecting on my high dose experience. Not hard to weigh out 10g and then eat them. Of course I dont know how potent they were but I have eaten libs hundreds of times and are always potent.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SonicTitan]
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SonicTitan said: I picked them. They were liberty caps. I was just reflecting on my high dose experience. Not hard to weigh out 10g and then eat them. Of course I dont know how potent they were but I have eaten libs hundreds of times and are always potent.
My apologies I'd meant to quote the OP, wasn't targeting you (my bad)
Trust me when I say I've eaten quite a few piles completely unaware of the contents myself 
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I edited it to direct to the OP.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
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No worries bud, I wasent sure if you meant to quote me or not because I wasent sure where that came from in according to my post haha. Its kinda fun eating mushrooms like that, have a rough estimate but its more of an adventure not knowing what to expect.
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SonicTitan said: No worries bud, I wasent sure if you meant to quote me or not because I wasent sure where that came from in according to my post haha. Its kinda fun eating mushrooms like that, have a rough estimate but its more of an adventure not knowing what to expect.
I've yet to eat a bunk PE below full maturity 
Generally, cubensis stay pretty average. Rare to see duds in my experience, but it has happened a few times.
Again, even if we magically had an exact MG per G ratio for what we were consuming, it's still entirely subjective to each persons body chemistry and their set and setting, so in a way, it's an adventure every time 
I just recommend people work their way up to whatever their proposed goal is; mushrooms are not swimming pools, where it makes more sense to just dive in before feeling out the waters, lol.
People will hear and ignore good advice until the end of time, so there is that too. I leave that up to the individual to decide, and avoid people who are known to be irresponsible.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
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I agree, always start small with mushrooms. One shroom could easily be twice as potent as the other.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: travelleler]
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Double that dose if they are old dried out cubies.
Ok first of all i will assume you mean divide it in half not double. Doubling it woild be 10g fresh is equal to 20g dry which is not true at all.
More than half of the weight is water. Much more. Living organisms are almost all water. So dividing the wet dose in half for dry dose is not equivilent. From what i hear. 10g fresh is like 1-2gs of dry cubes not 5.
5G dry is much more than 10g fresh.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Psilocybe Cubensis are roughly 90% H2O (9/10ths) meaning 100% dry cubensis as they should be "cracker dry; bone dry" is a mere 10% of the original weight. The basic rule for fresh is to multiply the weight by 10, for simple math.
One of the ounces I ate in one sitting (wanna talk about nausea and a full stomach...) was Fresh. 28g dry = 280g fresh. It was a couple mounded plates of them, a nice pile, took me roughly 2-3 hours to get them all down, and I have indeed puked from such feats; a very unpleasant experience. At the time I'd grown quite used to eating them; can't imagine doing something like that now.
1g = 10g Fresh 3.5g = 35g Fresh 7g = 70g Fresh 14g = 140g Fresh 28g = 280g Fresh
and so on...
Also keep in mind, active mushrooms are more active when fresh at an unknown percentage, so I'd generally mark an ounce at around 250g Fresh, which probably still did not fully compensate.
"Water weight"
Again, I do not recommend this under any circumstances, merely an information reference.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
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Wait you took a dry ounce for a fresh ounce?
I could not get a dry ounce down. Not that i would ever want to take much more than a quarter but That is fucking disgusting. Id need tea or some kind of evaporated extract.
Choking down shrooms gets harder and harder every time i do it.
Im going to have to switch to tea soon.
Its funny i can toss and wash 5 grams of kratom in one go and i could do 1.5g in my sleep but alot of people i know refuse to ever toss and wash. I have way more trouble getting shrooms down than kratom. The taste of kratom isnt even that bad just the texture imo. The smell of shrooms can induce flashback like anxiety sometimes. Ive associated the wretched smell with intense experiences.
My brain is like "dont fucking eat that" with the anxiety and smells even though i was probably looking forward to the trip for 2 days straight but i take it anyway and my brain sometimes goes "fuck! we are dying everything is really bad. Nothing is going to be ok" nitrous oxide, tv and yoga usually take care of that.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23844582 - 11/18/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No. I'm saying I've literally eaten 250g (give or take) of FRESH in order to meet a 1oz equivalent.
I found the easiest method was taking a straight razor, dicing them up finer than garlic, and doing repeated "toss and wash" swallows with orange juice.
It was disgusting AF; and like I said above, I do not recommend it under any circumstances; I was merely pushing my limits as a stupid "young" person back then.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
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I prefer dry due to not having to consume so much. Never really seen the difference in experiences from fresh and dried. If anything wet gives me far more stomach discomfort. I usually just eat them as is or grind into a powder and toss and wash.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
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Pandemoon said: 1 percent is 1/100
1mg is 1/1000g
2% of 1g is 20mg.
Math .. 
I'm not going by percentage I'm going by how many milligrams of the active ingredient is in the fruiting body.
8-10mg per dried gram my friend. Goodbye
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#23844847 - 11/18/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see a massive difference between fresh and dry, primarily in onset and intensity, as well as little variations that are subtle in low doses and very distinct in higher doses. I've been doing boomers for a very long time and have put this to the test, but everyone is different.
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8-10mg per dried gram my friend. Goodbye
Yeah, that's what I said. I was correcting the other guy, not you! 
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
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Damn I wondered why the end or your reply contradicted it.
My bad bro lol it's still early.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
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plurfekt said: I see a massive difference between fresh and dry, primarily in onset and intensity, as well as little variations that are subtle in low doses and very distinct in higher doses. I've been doing boomers for a very long time and have put this to the test, but everyone is different.
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Same here, been doing them for almost 15 years now. You're right tho we are all different. I agree the onset is quite different but never found it to be far more intense than dry. Maybe I wasent doing proper ratios of wet compared to dry. The onset of wet was slower for me I found and lasted slightly longer but the actual trip was about the same but was glowing for a few hours longer than dry.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
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plurfekt said: I see a massive difference between fresh and dry, primarily in onset and intensity, as well as little variations that are subtle in low doses and very distinct in higher doses. I've been doing boomers for a very long time and have put this to the test, but everyone is different.
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I found the fresh ones to be more introspective. Almost psychoanalytical like LSD.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SonicTitan]
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Yea, I mean.. the differences were subtle primarily I'd notice more active visuals with wet than dry, and the nature of the visuals seemed somewhat different. Speaking of visuals... xanax withdrawal + HPPD + the hydroxyzine I just took for the xanax withdrawal = there is a HALO around this damn white text box, ahaha.
Went to grab my M4 off the wall last night and I saw trails as long as my arm; was like whoaaaaa okay not the time to play with guns, lol.
In the end... my experience regardless of wet or dry, is cubes are cubes... the only ones I've had which the trip was remarkably different from all the others, was a one-time tray of wild Texans I did, and they were so damn smooth I could literally sleep on a quarter of them with my face melting into my bed comfortably; and ordinarily I refuse to trip without weed, at least one dose of benzos (hate benzos, but will admit they are good for come downs in this regard, ruining my life currently though) and I would never do them while tired because I knew I was going to be awake for at LEAST 8 hours. I wish I still had a print of those... damn. My favorite trip style ever for shrooms, smooth, highly visual and "comfortable" - was listening to friend of the devil during T-Storm and it jamming out in the dark outside, and came in and fell asleep to the flashing of thunder, it was awesome. Lol
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1mg is 1/1000g
2% of 1g is 20mg.
Math .. 
I'm not going by percentage I'm going by how many milligrams of the active ingredient is in the fruiting body.
8-10mg per dried gram my friend. Goodbye
Thats a ratio which is basically a percentage. Its
8-10:1000
In milligrams
That would be 0.8%-1.0%
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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I just dried 80 grams wet and ended up with 6.95 grams cracker dry, it was more like 0.0875g dry /1g wet
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: numnum59]
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numnum59 said: I just dried 80 grams wet and ended up with 6.95 grams cracker dry, it was more like 0.0875g dry /1g wet
It's highly dependent on growing conditions and genetics, due to the thickness/density of the fruits.
Penis Envy grown in colder temperatures is what I grow, typically - hard to get thicker than that.
Most cubes be like "I'm hollow, don't break me."
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I enjoy rue a lot. I won't trip without it.
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BANANA.MAN said: Wait you took a dry ounce for a fresh ounce?
I could not get a dry ounce down. Not that i would ever want to take much more than a quarter but That is fucking disgusting. Id need tea or some kind of evaporated extract.
Choking down shrooms gets harder and harder every time i do it.
Im going to have to switch to tea soon.
Its funny i can toss and wash 5 grams of kratom in one go and i could do 1.5g in my sleep but alot of people i know refuse to ever toss and wash. I have way more trouble getting shrooms down than kratom. The taste of kratom isnt even that bad just the texture imo. The smell of shrooms can induce flashback like anxiety sometimes. Ive associated the wretched smell with intense experiences.
My brain is like "dont fucking eat that" with the anxiety and smells even though i was probably looking forward to the trip for 2 days straight but i take it anyway and my brain sometimes goes "fuck! we are dying everything is really bad. Nothing is going to be ok" nitrous oxide, tv and yoga usually take care of that.
Blend the shrooms up, pour lemon juice on them. Let it sit for 30 minutes. Kicks in several times faster and you've already converted most of it to psilocin. No stomach problems from it so far.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Get Shwifty]
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I do lemon tek alot of the time.
Also its not about the stomach problems its about swallowing those nasty shrooms.
Also psilocin is what causes the nausea. It is the acctual active compound. Psilocybin must be converted to psilocin to be active. It activated the serotonin receptors in the digestive tract.
Its just when you convert it all to psilocin beforehand you get over the comeup more quickly because it does not need to be metabolized further to make you trip. When you eat shrooms with a high psilocybin content, the psilocybin is hydrolyzed gradually so the comeup takes longer.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23847360 - 11/19/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Half Oz boomers and 4 hits of lsd. Zero memory of experience. multiple times I just pas out on heavy doses... Does that happen to anyone else?
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: nowwhoutthink]
#23847503 - 11/19/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea on doses ranging from 1/4 oz past the 10g mark
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: nowwhoutthink]
#23847586 - 11/19/16 06:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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nowwhoutthink said: Half Oz boomers and 4 hits of lsd. Zero memory of experience. multiple times I just pas out on heavy doses... Does that happen to anyone else?
Thinking back, yes.
But I'd often mix doses that high with high doses of Xanax; and it was just so damn long ago it's hard to fully say why.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23848233 - 11/19/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: I do lemon tek alot of the time.
Also its not about the stomach problems its about swallowing those nasty shrooms.
Also psilocin is what causes the nausea. It is the acctual active compound. Psilocybin must be converted to psilocin to be active. It activated the serotonin receptors in the digestive tract.
Its just when you convert it all to psilocin beforehand you get over the comeup more quickly because it does not need to be metabolized further to make you trip. When you eat shrooms with a high psilocybin content, the psilocybin is hydrolyzed gradually so the comeup takes longer.
The "come up" taking longer, is that good? Should I go back to eating fresh?
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23848250 - 11/19/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Preference; although most favor a subtle onset in my experience...
Sometimes I love getting slammed in 15-20 minutes flat - again, it's subjective, circumstantial, open to interpretation and largely revolves around set and setting.
Overall I'd say with the physical side effects of fungi; and intensity, slower would be ideal if you are trying to avoid a bad trip. Then again, I often am only uncomfortable as they kick in, and would rather just get it over with as quickly as possibly to enter egoless-land.
This is where experimentation comes in for the individual.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
#23848349 - 11/19/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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plurfekt said: Preference; although most favor a subtle onset in my experience...
Sometimes I love getting slammed in 15-20 minutes flat - again, it's subjective, circumstantial, open to interpretation and largely revolves around set and setting.
Overall I'd say with the physical side effects of fungi; and intensity, slower would be ideal if you are trying to avoid a bad trip. Then again, I often am only uncomfortable as they kick in, and would rather just get it over with as quickly as possibly to enter egoless-land.
This is where experimentation comes in for the individual.
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...get it over quick...lemon tek!
Lol, I recommend this route for the more experienced users.
Someone who is not used to it and doesn't know what is about to happen, probably not a good precursor for the rest of the trip, lmao.
Then again..some of us were just born to melt our faces off. Still, we were idiots when it first happened.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23849705 - 11/19/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: I do lemon tek alot of the time.
Also its not about the stomach problems its about swallowing those nasty shrooms.
Also psilocin is what causes the nausea. It is the acctual active compound. Psilocybin must be converted to psilocin to be active. It activated the serotonin receptors in the digestive tract.
Its just when you convert it all to psilocin beforehand you get over the comeup more quickly because it does not need to be metabolized further to make you trip. When you eat shrooms with a high psilocybin content, the psilocybin is hydrolyzed gradually so the comeup takes longer.
The "come up" taking longer, is that good? Should I go back to eating fresh?
No it makes the sick/tense/anxious period longer. Thats the only reason i can think of for you saying lemon tek will not make you sick. Psilocin does not need to be metabolized so it kicks in faster and the trip is more "condensed" and therefore shorter and more intense. including the comeup.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23849732 - 11/19/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everyone is a bad ass until they have a full blown panic attack after convincing themselves for a split second they've gone insane* on an unknown excessive dose of LSD.
Same applies to mushrooms.
Be safe, folks.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
#23868028 - 11/26/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Milli-- is 1000th.
.25 of a gram is 2.5mg.
First part yes, second part no.
1mg is 1/1000 of a gram .25 of a gram is 250mg
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sorry yes. oops I meant .025
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23868034 - 11/26/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: I do lemon tek alot of the time.
Also its not about the stomach problems its about swallowing those nasty shrooms.
Also psilocin is what causes the nausea. It is the acctual active compound. Psilocybin must be converted to psilocin to be active. It activated the serotonin receptors in the digestive tract.
Its just when you convert it all to psilocin beforehand you get over the comeup more quickly because it does not need to be metabolized further to make you trip. When you eat shrooms with a high psilocybin content, the psilocybin is hydrolyzed gradually so the comeup takes longer.
The "come up" taking longer, is that good? Should I go back to eating fresh?
No it makes the sick/tense/anxious period longer. Thats the only reason i can think of for you saying lemon tek will not make you sick. Psilocin does not need to be metabolized so it kicks in faster and the trip is more "condensed" and therefore shorter and more intense. including the comeup.
I still have not read a trip report from someone who tried plugging mushrooms. Maybe because they never remember the trip? i dunno.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: travelleler]
#23868185 - 11/26/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always thought the lemon helped with nausea. I rarely get nauseous but time before last I took 10g lemon tek and I was nauseous. I do not fast before tripping as I have found no difference in the trip quality. I like to eat a little while before so that I know my stomach has something in it.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: DrEarnhardt]
#23868217 - 11/26/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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DrEarnhardt said: I always thought the lemon helped with nausea. I rarely get nauseous but time before last I took 10g lemon tek and I was nauseous. I do not fast before tripping as I have found no difference in the trip quality. I like to eat a little while before so that I know my stomach has something in it.
I notice a huge difference from fasting i would recomend you give it another shot personally. Once i didnt eat for 3 hours before a trip and my friend ate and mine kicked in aignificantly faster.
Ive been nauseous from lemon tek, the nauseous period is shorter though. Weather or not i lemon tek, i might feel sick i might not. It seems totally random. There must be factors effecting it though.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23868254 - 11/26/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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DrEarnhardt said: I always thought the lemon helped with nausea. I rarely get nauseous but time before last I took 10g lemon tek and I was nauseous. I do not fast before tripping as I have found no difference in the trip quality. I like to eat a little while before so that I know my stomach has something in it.
I notice a huge difference from fasting i would recomend you give it another shot personally. Once i didnt eat for 3 hours before a trip and my friend ate and mine kicked in aignificantly faster.
Ive been nauseous from lemon tek, the nauseous period is shorter though. Weather or not i lemon tek, i might feel sick i might not. It seems totally random. There must be factors effecting it though.
Last night I made tea with 20 grams. I didn't get nauseous at all. It was good.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: DrEarnhardt]
#23868294 - 11/26/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My theory is that when i dont get nauseous its because i ate a food with a serotonin receptor antagonist that binds to the serotonin receptors in the gut.
Serotonin receptor agonists like psilocin can not agonize the receptor because it is already bound to an antagonist. Ginger for example contains serotonin receptor antagonists.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23868297 - 11/26/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a good theory. I haven't tried ginger yet because I do not like it at all lol.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: DrEarnhardt]
#23868590 - 11/26/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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DrEarnhardt said: That's a good theory. I haven't tried ginger yet because I do not like it at all lol.
aha, as a naturopath it's funny but I hate the shit too; yet it's in every cupboard.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
#23869089 - 11/26/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Holy fuck guys, coincidentally I cooked with ginger for the very first time the other night immediately before one of the smoothest trips of my entire life. You guys might be onto something here!
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23869168 - 11/26/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i recently had an at least 10 gram trip. i say 10 because thats what i can account for i weighed an 8th, kept eating more out of my huge bag a few hours later, then lemon tek'd another 8th. its really hard to described what happened, the memories are very fragmented and i completely blacked out at the most intense parts and have no idea what i was physically doing or thinking or seeing. i had a conversation i had on the phone before i ate them confused with my thinking about it while i was tripping, I'm still not sure what i said and what i thought. i made the lemon tek into a tea drank half and took my dog for a short walk and the whole time i just kept thinking "i need to get home and sit the fuck down" after i got home i finished the lemon tek'd 8th and i completely blacked out and came to completely naked in my room god knows how many hours later with no clue where my cloths went. I'm not sure how long i was tripping for, I'm hazy on the timeline and i know the next day after a full nights sleep i felt happier than i ever have but very tripped out. the after effects seemed to have cured my depression for now (this was a week ago so well see how long it lasts.
you can also read about it in the mushrooms curing depression thread
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23868348
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23869976 - 11/26/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Get Shwifty said: Holy fuck guys, coincidentally I cooked with ginger for the very first time the other night immediately before one of the smoothest trips of my entire life. You guys might be onto something here!
I'm sure it is far from innovative lmfao.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
#23872483 - 11/27/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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innovative, no
surprising to me personally, yes
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23873062 - 11/27/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't get short with me, Mr.Frodo!
Lol, relax man. Just sayin' ginger on a naturopathics-obsessed forum is not exactly a new idea.
I ate a PF cake once like 10+ years ago, as a bet.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
#23904380 - 12/07/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Plugging fungi"

Oh? Do tell? Do the maths... your body begins to build up a tolerance to the 4HO-DMT as soon as it hits the system which is why you really gotta get the dose down all at once yah?
So wtf, they do it with iboga. I bet some slurry of chewed up mushroom and mashed seed mush plugged in would prolly send anyone as far as they needed to go.
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