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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: travelleler]
#23843910 - 11/18/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude it's like at least 8mg for every 1 gram of dried shrooms. That's why when people like McKenna say "under the influence of 30 milligrams of psilocybin.." it's a normal dose.
Maybe the "study" you're referring to for some odd reason only counted psilocybin but not psilocin also because the mushroom is usually about equal parts psilocybin and psilocin because psilocin does exist naturally in the mushroom it's not just converted into that in the body. Probably why mushrooms hit you in waves because half of it is already psilocin no need to be converted and ready to go to your brain.
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1 percent is 1/100
1mg is 1/1000g
2% of 1g is 20mg.
Math .. 
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Potent cubes have about 1% of active alkaloids. "An eight" of cubes is about 30mg of psilocin. Psilocybe mexicana were cultivated and examined first in the 1960s. Hofmann used "twelve pairs of mature mushrooms" for his first Psilocybe self-attempt. 
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
#23844121 - 11/18/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have eaten a half ounce of cubes a few times.
For the most part it was uncomfortable, my body started crying out for relief and all of my pores opened at once like a sprinkler system. I felt much better after that.
I have seen god twice, he's like a shining star that just twinkles at you for a moment then disappears back into the void. He's never said anything directly to me, he didn't need to. It was very emotional and pleasing to me. I really doubt it was any type of Christian god. I believe it was the collective intelligence of the earth, the spirit if you will. It felt like I was meeting a very intelligent animal.
If you believe you can handle it, I'd say go for it. Just don't be surprised if you are convinced of something ridiculous for several hours. One time on a heroic dose I was convinced that I wasn't real, and that I was only an actual person when people interacted with me. Like a magical mannequin, haha. I was pretty okay with this, but it might freak other people out.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23844150 - 11/18/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've eaten ounces at a time, multiple times.
I don't really recommend it... in my experience 2-3g's of "proper" cubensis ie; Penis Envy or some other good variety is all you need.
At a quarter or above the physical nausea and such outweighs the benefits and for this strong of a trip I would just go directly for Lucy or DMT.
While I have far more experience with cubes, I prefer Lucy & DMT. I feel as if they each have their own lessons to teach and now when I take cubes I just keep going back to the same place which is transcending and interesting but I don't seem to gain any higher knowledge from it unless it is extremely spread out (for me, like once every couple of years)
Over 10 years of psych experience now, so I've... done the chin-dig whackey monkey more times than you can count.
I've also tried to trip everyday for a month. This is actually how I ended up eating ounces at a time, from sheer tolerance buildup. I'd end up with large quantities of extra and I pushed things to the max when I was younger; and I don't really think it was beneficial for anything.
I stand by cubes as spiritual sacraments, things to be feared and respected and used in extreme moderation...that's all taking too much taught me; quite the 101.
In proper doses, the occasional ego-death can be very beneficial for mental and physical well being, but set and setting and moderation are everything with these substances.
My advice in short, don't be an idiot you're not impressing anyone and you will sometimes find things you wish you hadn't if you abuse them.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
#23844216 - 11/18/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: 1 percent is 1/100
1mg is 1/1000g
2% of 1g is 20mg.
Math .. 
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Potent cubes have about 1% of active alkaloids. "An eight" of cubes is about 30mg of psilocin. Psilocybe mexicana were cultivated and examined first in the 1960s. Hofmann used "twelve pairs of mature mushrooms" for his first Psilocybe self-attempt. 
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Yeah I meant 0.2% and it can vary up to 2% but not usually 
from the Greek Milli, Micro, Nano. Milli-- is 1000th. micro is 10,000th and nano is 100,000th. So a microgram is 1000 smaller than a milligram
.25 of a gram is 2.5mg.
here is a direct quote, "...In general, the psilocybin content of mushrooms is quite variable (ranging from almost nothing to 1.5% of the dry weight)[115] and depends on species, strain, growth and drying conditions, and mushroom size.[116] Cultivated mushrooms have less variability in psilocybin content than wild mushrooms..." (from wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#Natural_occurrence)
if you follow the link there is a handy dandy table showing about a dozen different species and their maximum psilocybin content. Cubes are listed as being no more than .63% or 6.3mg per gram, and cultivated shrooms typically have less.
what's more, lab testing is difficult without a permit and assay standards for active mushrooms aren't available in every lab. It would be hard to prove or disprove these numbers as a result...
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: travelleler]
#23844258 - 11/18/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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travelleler said:
Milli-- is 1000th.
.25 of a gram is 2.5mg.
First part yes, second part no.
1mg is 1/1000 of a gram .25 of a gram is 250mg
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
#23844303 - 11/18/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I ate 10g of liberty caps and was sent off into a space much like that video that was posted. Tho to me I was witnessing the creating of all matter and time unravel before my eyes. No entities unless the supreme energy I was feeing was an entity itself.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SonicTitan]
#23844316 - 11/18/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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agreedwitboardrule said: Hi everyone,
I am wondering, what happens when you take way higher than normal doses of shrooms?
If anyone could explain scientifically/chemically whats happening in your head that would be great.
If anyone has tried 15grams or more and can recount the experience, also great.
I had a friend who took 5.5 and experienced ego loss, had a bunch of good things happen (increased feelings of empathy, able to move past some emotional blocks, ect ect).
I am curious, if i dropped 10 or 30 grams, would I just pass out? would I meet jesus/jeebus? What are your thoughts?
Thanks
In addiction to my previous post (I won't even answer that meeting Jeebus question... )
Unless you've had series of cultured/cloned fruits lab tested via chromatography, you will never know what you are taking. And even then, it's entirely subjective.
Most cubensis are multi-spore, and are entirely random. You could have one batch that is completely bunk, with a single shroom on it with an unheard of potency. You just cannot know. Best to play it safe, find a solid clone or isolate with a potency that agrees with you, and stick to a moderated dose.
Obsessing over these details will only lead your mind to places it shouldn't be focusing on during the trip.
Just my
Edited by plurfekt (11/18/16 07:08 AM)
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SonicTitan]
#23844322 - 11/18/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What about rue + shrooms?
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
#23844323 - 11/18/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I picked them. They were liberty caps. I was just reflecting on my high dose experience. Not hard to weigh out 10g and then eat them. Of course I dont know how potent they were but I have eaten libs hundreds of times and are always potent.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SonicTitan]
#23844337 - 11/18/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: I picked them. They were liberty caps. I was just reflecting on my high dose experience. Not hard to weigh out 10g and then eat them. Of course I dont know how potent they were but I have eaten libs hundreds of times and are always potent.
My apologies I'd meant to quote the OP, wasn't targeting you (my bad)
Trust me when I say I've eaten quite a few piles completely unaware of the contents myself 
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I edited it to direct to the OP.
Edited by plurfekt (11/18/16 07:14 AM)
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
#23844345 - 11/18/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No worries bud, I wasent sure if you meant to quote me or not because I wasent sure where that came from in according to my post haha. Its kinda fun eating mushrooms like that, have a rough estimate but its more of an adventure not knowing what to expect.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: SonicTitan]
#23844360 - 11/18/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: No worries bud, I wasent sure if you meant to quote me or not because I wasent sure where that came from in according to my post haha. Its kinda fun eating mushrooms like that, have a rough estimate but its more of an adventure not knowing what to expect.
I've yet to eat a bunk PE below full maturity 
Generally, cubensis stay pretty average. Rare to see duds in my experience, but it has happened a few times.
Again, even if we magically had an exact MG per G ratio for what we were consuming, it's still entirely subjective to each persons body chemistry and their set and setting, so in a way, it's an adventure every time 
I just recommend people work their way up to whatever their proposed goal is; mushrooms are not swimming pools, where it makes more sense to just dive in before feeling out the waters, lol.
People will hear and ignore good advice until the end of time, so there is that too. I leave that up to the individual to decide, and avoid people who are known to be irresponsible.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
#23844363 - 11/18/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree, always start small with mushrooms. One shroom could easily be twice as potent as the other.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: travelleler]
#23844444 - 11/18/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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travelleler said:
Double that dose if they are old dried out cubies.
Ok first of all i will assume you mean divide it in half not double. Doubling it woild be 10g fresh is equal to 20g dry which is not true at all.
More than half of the weight is water. Much more. Living organisms are almost all water. So dividing the wet dose in half for dry dose is not equivilent. From what i hear. 10g fresh is like 1-2gs of dry cubes not 5.
5G dry is much more than 10g fresh.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23844469 - 11/18/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilocybe Cubensis are roughly 90% H2O (9/10ths) meaning 100% dry cubensis as they should be "cracker dry; bone dry" is a mere 10% of the original weight. The basic rule for fresh is to multiply the weight by 10, for simple math.
One of the ounces I ate in one sitting (wanna talk about nausea and a full stomach...) was Fresh. 28g dry = 280g fresh. It was a couple mounded plates of them, a nice pile, took me roughly 2-3 hours to get them all down, and I have indeed puked from such feats; a very unpleasant experience. At the time I'd grown quite used to eating them; can't imagine doing something like that now.
1g = 10g Fresh 3.5g = 35g Fresh 7g = 70g Fresh 14g = 140g Fresh 28g = 280g Fresh
and so on...
Also keep in mind, active mushrooms are more active when fresh at an unknown percentage, so I'd generally mark an ounce at around 250g Fresh, which probably still did not fully compensate.
"Water weight"
Again, I do not recommend this under any circumstances, merely an information reference.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
#23844554 - 11/18/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wait you took a dry ounce for a fresh ounce?
I could not get a dry ounce down. Not that i would ever want to take much more than a quarter but That is fucking disgusting. Id need tea or some kind of evaporated extract.
Choking down shrooms gets harder and harder every time i do it.
Im going to have to switch to tea soon.
Its funny i can toss and wash 5 grams of kratom in one go and i could do 1.5g in my sleep but alot of people i know refuse to ever toss and wash. I have way more trouble getting shrooms down than kratom. The taste of kratom isnt even that bad just the texture imo. The smell of shrooms can induce flashback like anxiety sometimes. Ive associated the wretched smell with intense experiences.
My brain is like "dont fucking eat that" with the anxiety and smells even though i was probably looking forward to the trip for 2 days straight but i take it anyway and my brain sometimes goes "fuck! we are dying everything is really bad. Nothing is going to be ok" nitrous oxide, tv and yoga usually take care of that.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23844582 - 11/18/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No. I'm saying I've literally eaten 250g (give or take) of FRESH in order to meet a 1oz equivalent.
I found the easiest method was taking a straight razor, dicing them up finer than garlic, and doing repeated "toss and wash" swallows with orange juice.
It was disgusting AF; and like I said above, I do not recommend it under any circumstances; I was merely pushing my limits as a stupid "young" person back then.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: plurfekt]
#23844802 - 11/18/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I prefer dry due to not having to consume so much. Never really seen the difference in experiences from fresh and dried. If anything wet gives me far more stomach discomfort. I usually just eat them as is or grind into a powder and toss and wash.
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Re: Taking EXTREMELY high doses of Shrooms. [Re: Pandemoon]
#23844824 - 11/18/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: 1 percent is 1/100
1mg is 1/1000g
2% of 1g is 20mg.
Math .. 
I'm not going by percentage I'm going by how many milligrams of the active ingredient is in the fruiting body.
8-10mg per dried gram my friend. Goodbye
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (11/18/16 10:26 AM)
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