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Vegan Lifestyle
    #23823592 - 11/11/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How long have you been on this road? What made you want to live this way? What problems have you had?

I currently supplement b12 and take dha/epa as well as carnosine. I don't think I'm getting enough calcium though. I also work for a company that conflicts with my lifestyle too.

What jobs are out there that would support me on this journey?


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Hebrews 11:3
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Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead]
    #23823795 - 11/11/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was vegetarian for a little under a year in 2014. I eat meat right now though. Mostly tried for health reasons. I eventually determined that I feel better with a meat diet myself, but that's because of the way I ate during it.

When I was vegetarian I'd eat a lot of bread, which was a bad thing. Ironically I eat more vegetables currently than I did when I was eating vegetarian only.

Vitamin B for sure. Iron too if your not eating spinach and broccoli often enough.

Look into Greek and Mediterranean recipes. Try not to overcompensate with carbs. Green veggies, fresh fruit and a metric shit ton if tree nuts.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23824181 - 11/11/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lol I've been eating so many nuts, I could make a gay joke if I had one x)

I hear you though. I'm doing this for my health as well and to be closer to God. It's been a long process but I'm only now making it happen. There was a girl in my class who was vegetarian who was about 300 lbs and it's because she ate all carbs. Clearly. But yea thanks for the advice. I pray you will continue to be a beacon of light and love in this life. Peace.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead]
    #23824392 - 11/11/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I couldn't go for it, I wouldn't even last a day.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #23824398 - 11/11/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
How long have you been on this road?





about 35 minutes. it was horridable


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23824782 - 11/12/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was a vegan for more than a year, didn't eat meat for 4 years, mainly due to health reasons, it seemed to me that being vegan is the most "natural" way.

What can I tell ya.. the more I was strict with my diet the more I got sick for even trying something like donuts - instantly sick. Probably psychological.

I'm an omnivore now, I care less about health, but more about eating products from animals who suffered, but it's not enough right now to make me vegan again.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23824818 - 11/12/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The way I look at it we're all animals, animals eat animals it's part of Mother Nature. Just because I'm more self aware of what I'm eating doesn't mean it's wrong to kill a deer, chicken, or Cow to eat... if we weren't self-aware we would instinctually kill animals to eat in general. That's the whole reason our body can Digest meats, nuts, herbs, Barry's Exedra. It's all part of nature.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: mr.concentrate]
    #23824827 - 11/12/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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mr.concentrate said:
The way I look at it we're all animals, animals eat animals it's part of Mother Nature. Just because I'm more self aware of what I'm eating doesn't mean it's wrong to kill a deer, chicken, or Cow to eat... if we weren't self-aware we would instinctually kill animals to eat in general. That's the whole reason our body can Digest meats, nuts, herbs, Barry's Exedra. It's all part of nature.




I agree that there is no moral problem eating animals and it might be natural for us.
The problem imo is that we do not hunt and grow our own food, we let industries to treat animals in horrible conditions, but we cover our own eyes, eating the nicely packed burger or chiken with their illustrated faces smiling at is.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23824842 - 11/12/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My wife and I have been vegan for almost 2 years, since we each dosed 2.6mg of LSD, I tripped so hard that I couldn't stomach much other than fruit for weeks after.

Never could eat meat or animal products after that, only plants. I love animals, I would never eat them. I feel like animals like dogs and cats and chickens can smell that I don't eat animals and are more friendly to me now then they used to be.

Literally almost every meal we make has a cashew cheese or a cashew based sour cream, cashew ice cream is a really A+ replacement for dairy ice cream as well.

Drugs work on me stronger since I've been vegan, because my stomach rapidly and easily digests the plant based foods that I'm putting in it. I have to eat ~6 meals a day, which means that when I take drugs it's like taking them on an empty stomach, even if I've just eaten.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23825127 - 11/12/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ZacksJourney said:
The problem imo is that we do not hunt and grow our own food, we let industries to treat animals in horrible conditions, but we cover our own eyes, eating the nicely packed burger or chiken with their illustrated faces smiling at is.




you mean that you buy into the vegan/peta propaganda. the vast majority of people in
the US have never seen a farm yet many of those have decided based on a few pictures
and what someone else who has never been to a farm has told them, they believe that
they have a clue what's actually going on. some slick vegan stumbles across a photo
of a feed lot and concocts a story about it being a factory farm, saying that cows
are raised in close quarters confinement their entire lives, always standing knee
deep in their own feces and never having access to fresh grass when the reality is
this claim couldnt be further from the truth


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23825140 - 11/12/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

ZacksJourney said:
The problem imo is that we do not hunt and grow our own food, we let industries to treat animals in horrible conditions, but we cover our own eyes, eating the nicely packed burger or chiken with their illustrated faces smiling at is.




you mean that you buy into the vegan/peta propaganda. the vast majority of people in
the US have never seen a farm yet many of those have decided based on a few pictures
and what someone else who has never been to a farm has told them, they believe that
they have a clue what's actually going on. some slick vegan stumbles across a photo
of a feed lot and concocts a story about it being a factory farm, saying that cows
are raised in close quarters confinement their entire lives, always standing knee
deep in their own feces and never having access to fresh grass when the reality is
this claim couldnt be further from the truth




I wish it was false.

I don't know where u live, but where I come from this is the way they treat them, let them be cows, chickens, pigs.
I guarantee, they have no clue how fresh grass smells like.

I don't fall for cheap demagoguery, I've seen these things in my own eyes.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23825166 - 11/12/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Prisoner #1 is the Paragon of all that is good and holy in the World of Vegetation.

But he hasn't apparently a care in the world for the actual instances of Animal abuse and cruelty, so he barks loudly at anyone who talks about it.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23825181 - 11/12/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I could honestly not give any more fucks about animal cruelty or animal agriculture on the small scale. An inherent reason as to why I'm going this route also is because large scale animal agriculture is destroying our planet. I'm the most important species on this planet and if I had to eat an animal to survive, I wouldn't hesitate. But I live in America and it is just unnecessary for me to continue down the road most traveled. And not to mention a road that also causes multiple health complications later in life.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Edited by Shiithead (11/12/16 08:23 AM)


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23825230 - 11/12/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ZacksJourney said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

ZacksJourney said:
The problem imo is that we do not hunt and grow our own food, we let industries to treat animals in horrible conditions, but we cover our own eyes, eating the nicely packed burger or chiken with their illustrated faces smiling at is.




you mean that you buy into the vegan/peta propaganda. the vast majority of people in
the US have never seen a farm yet many of those have decided based on a few pictures
and what someone else who has never been to a farm has told them, they believe that
they have a clue what's actually going on. some slick vegan stumbles across a photo
of a feed lot and concocts a story about it being a factory farm, saying that cows
are raised in close quarters confinement their entire lives, always standing knee
deep in their own feces and never having access to fresh grass when the reality is
this claim couldnt be further from the truth




I wish it was false.

I don't know where u live, but where I come from this is the way they treat them, let them be cows, chickens, pigs.
I guarantee, they have no clue how fresh grass smells like.

I don't fall for cheap demagoguery, I've seen these things in my own eyes.





want to know where I live? I live in rural USA, I live in farm country, I am in
fact a farmer, I live where grass is plentiful and cheap, free in fact. I live
where feeding grains to cattle would drive the cost of beef up to around $70/lb
and feeding nothing but hay would drive it to around $30/lb if the hay is
purchased, if I owned the new equipment for hay processing and storage, it would
of course bring it down a great deal but unfortunately my bailer is down and I
need a tedder and a sickle mower. an accumulator would also be nice but it's
really required


when I play farmville, I actually have to break a fucking sweat




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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23825233 - 11/12/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Prisoner #1 is the Paragon of all that is good and holy in the World of Vegetation.

But he hasn't apparently a care in the world for the actual instances of Animal abuse and cruelty, so he barks loudly at anyone who talks about it.





tell me, is it more cruel to treat a sick or injured animal with antibiotics or more
cruel to leave it untreated for the sake of 'organic' certification?


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23825249 - 11/12/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'd eat your cows


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23825250 - 11/12/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

ZacksJourney said:
The problem imo is that we do not hunt and grow our own food, we let industries to treat animals in horrible conditions, but we cover our own eyes, eating the nicely packed burger or chiken with their illustrated faces smiling at is.



you mean that you buy into the vegan/peta propaganda. the vast majority of people in
the US have never seen a farm yet many of those have decided based on a few pictures
and what someone else who has never been to a farm has told them, they believe that
they have a clue what's actually going on. some slick vegan stumbles across a photo
of a feed lot and concocts a story about it being a factory farm, saying that cows
are raised in close quarters confinement their entire lives, always standing knee
deep in their own feces and never having access to fresh grass when the reality is
this claim couldnt be further from the truth




god damn u are dumb prisoner 1


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23825287 - 11/12/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Prisoner #1 is the Paragon of all that is good and holy in the World of Vegetation.

But he hasn't apparently a care in the world for the actual instances of Animal abuse and cruelty, so he barks loudly at anyone who talks about it.





tell me, is it more cruel to treat a sick or injured animal with antibiotics or more
cruel to leave it untreated for the sake of 'organic' certification?



ewww, i think you just answered your own question. A, A, friend. i'm not saying you don't know alot of varied interesting things. but you supposing that factory farming isn't grotesque without handling things with kid-gloves, which often is not the case of what is happening in many places, you get diseases, you get shoddily made food, and the standard almost becomes Chinese in quality. :puke:


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead]
    #23825339 - 11/12/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In before this thread goes off the rails. Joe Rogan has some pretty good takes on veganism and lack of certain nutrients don't allow people to stick with it longer than a few years. If it makes you happy though, go for it. There are certainly worse things that you could be doing.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23825363 - 11/12/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Joe rogan is fucking retarded soooooo.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #23825364 - 11/12/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

From my personal experience then, the weakest sickliest looking person in my college program is a vegan.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #23825376 - 11/12/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And they are just jokes lol you can actually be a vegan for the rest of your life if you know what you're doing.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead]
    #23825404 - 11/12/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

duh this isnt 1986 anymore theres like whole sections in the grocery store for veggie/vegan products and you can get everything u need from plant based shit. I mean if someone is weak theyre prob not eating a very healthy diet even tho theyre vegan/veggie. most ppl suck at self control n food choices which i dont get cuz its not like drugs or anything. I mean i almost eat no meat any more maybe once every two months. I had few ounce piece tuna this week and i eat eggs from my uncles shit. Im thinking bout fucking round with some quail myself. I only really wanna eat meat i catch or raise myself cuz that only way seems right to me. I dont even miss it most my food has more flav and wholesome ingredients now and i dont eat like any processed shit really. I mean its more work cooking but i dont think ill go back to the way i was eating.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #23825411 - 11/12/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hi chief


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23825439 - 11/12/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ZacksJourney said:
I'd eat your cows




this is how cattle in the US are actually raised for the majority of their lives,
they're sent to feed lots where they're fed agricultural wastes such as sugar beet
pulp and residues from crops, silage, in order to fatten them up for sale and
slaughter. the vegans post a feedlot picture and claim it to be something it isnt

I dont know if you've ever eaten 'grass fed', un aged beef but to be honest with
you, it's gross. the aging process tones down the flavor a great deal, it's done
with cattle off a feed lot and a lot of the free range cattle, the former already
has a muted flavor even before aging but the aging process makes it better. beef
straight from the processor is just terrible. you can taste the grass


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23825443 - 11/12/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Prisoner #1 is the Paragon of all that is good and holy in the World of Vegetation.

But he hasn't apparently a care in the world for the actual instances of Animal abuse and cruelty, so he barks loudly at anyone who talks about it.





tell me, is it more cruel to treat a sick or injured animal with antibiotics or more
cruel to leave it untreated for the sake of 'organic' certification?



ewww, i think you just answered your own question. A, A, friend. i'm not saying you don't know alot of varied interesting things. but you supposing that factory farming isn't grotesque without handling things with kid-gloves, which often is not the case of what is happening in many places, you get diseases, you get shoddily made food, and the standard almost becomes Chinese in quality. :puke:





you need to show me factory farming or you're just spreading horse shit, I need
you to call around to the beef farms in your area and request a tour, video tape
your tour ans post it here so we can see you actually have a fucking clue at this
point city boy


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23825446 - 11/12/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ergoticmandala said:
Quote:

Quote:

ZacksJourney said:
The problem imo is that we do not hunt and grow our own food, we let industries to treat animals in horrible conditions, but we cover our own eyes, eating the nicely packed burger or chiken with their illustrated faces smiling at is.



you mean that you buy into the vegan/peta propaganda. the vast majority of people in
the US have never seen a farm yet many of those have decided based on a few pictures
and what someone else who has never been to a farm has told them, they believe that
they have a clue what's actually going on. some slick vegan stumbles across a photo
of a feed lot and concocts a story about it being a factory farm, saying that cows
are raised in close quarters confinement their entire lives, always standing knee
deep in their own feces and never having access to fresh grass when the reality is
this claim couldnt be further from the truth




god damn u are dumb prisoner 1





prove it.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23825452 - 11/12/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Ahab McBathsalts said:
In before this thread goes off the rails. Joe Rogan has some pretty good takes on veganism and lack of certain nutrients don't allow people to stick with it longer than a few years. If it makes you happy though, go for it. There are certainly worse things that you could be doing.




And he is wrong.
Seaweed = massive source of B12 and B vitamins.
Nuts and seeds = source of fatty acids (conversion of ALA to similar ones)


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: daz01]
    #23825487 - 11/12/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Contrary to the many rumors, there are no reliable, unfortified plant sources of vitamin B12, including tempeh, seaweeds, and organic produce.



http://veganhealth.org/articles/vitaminb12

You can get it from nutritional yeast, however.  I love the stuff.

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Nuts and seeds = source of fatty acids (conversion of ALA to similar ones)




Conversion is actually very poor, especially in males. 

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(...)the degree of conversion appears to be unreliable and restricted. More specifically, most studies in humans have shown that whereas a certain, though restricted, conversion of high doses of ALA to EPA occurs, conversion to DHA is severely restricted.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947

I eat shrimp, it has the perfect ratio of Omegas and lots more good stuff.

There is an algea that is an alternative source I'm looking at... a good source of both DHA and EPA.

Spray-dried Schizochytrium sp microalgae.

18% DHA by weight.  Just be sure it isn't some 'Martek' garbage.


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2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead] * 2
    #23825553 - 11/12/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Enjoy your chronic vitamin and mineral deficiencies.


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    #23825569 - 11/12/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They actually won't have any if they do it right.

But it's not just vegans screwing up nutrient intake.  Regarding Americans in general: 
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A substantial proportion of the adult population (over 40%) had inadequate intakes of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin E, calcium, and magnesium.




http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2014.901196?journalCode=uacn20


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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: daz01]
    #23825588 - 11/12/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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daz01 said:
Seaweed = massive source of B12 and B vitamins.




not available in all markets

Quote:

Nuts and seeds = source of fatty acids (conversion of ALA to similar ones)





really fucking expensive

so in order to be a healthy vegan, many people would need to import food from other
areas and otherwise spend huge sums of money. sounds like such a workable plan

BTW. the b12 in seaweed is extremely low, between .3 and .38 micrograms, eating 
enough of that iodine rich seaweed to get enough b12 will cause issues due to the
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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23825601 - 11/12/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I eat a shit ton of pecans, walnuts and almonds. They are a bit pricey though. I probably eat about $5 of nuts and seeds (insert whore mouth joke here) a day.

I'm lactose intolerant, so I drink almond milk too.


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    #23825619 - 11/12/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

*almond water

you cant milk a nut. I mean you can milk my nuts but I prefer you do it with your whore mouth. :yesnod:


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23825633 - 11/12/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Technicalities. Kind of feels like an utter if you do it yourself though. Fake utter for fake milk.





The conditions in the almond milk factory are pretty bad though. I like grass fed almonds.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: flickedbic]
    #23825668 - 11/12/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They actually won't have any if they do it right.





That's a BIG fucking if.

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the most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores.




Chronic B12 deficiency can be irreversible.
And that's just B12. There's also Vitamin K, which most vegans are deficient in as well.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shroomism]
    #23825678 - 11/12/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think most ppl consider clams n oysters n shit vegan and have ton b12. There like basically jus underwater meat flowers.
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    #23825688 - 11/12/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Clams and oysters are certainly not vegan.


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    #23825693 - 11/12/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Kinda looks like something I've eaten before but I can't quite put my finger in it.


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    #23825711 - 11/12/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've already mentioned B12 is easily provided by cheap nutritional yeast.

If you have a source on the vitamin K claim that'd be cool, but that is an easy fix as well.

I have provided a study showing >40% of Americans are deficient in a gamut of nutrients. 

This is a topic we all should be aware of, easily remedied no matter what dietary path we choose.


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2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
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    #23825720 - 11/12/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Kinda looks like something I've eaten before but I can't quite put my finger in it.



You should try taking it out to dinner first.


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    #23825750 - 11/12/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah because all vegans eat nutritional yeast amiright


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shroomism]
    #23825784 - 11/12/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

XLCaps said:
Kinda looks like something I've eaten before but I can't quite put my finger in it.



You should try taking it out to dinner first.



I tried talking to it but it's been pretty tight lipped so far.. I think it's mad at me.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shroomism]
    #23825808 - 11/12/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Enjoy your chronic vitamin and mineral deficiencies.




That's assuming I eat bullshit.

And besides most Americans are already missing vitamins and minerals they need in their diet. If anything the shit they eat is robbing their body of minerals like gmo corn from the glyphosate.


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    #23825824 - 11/12/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah because all vegans eat nutritional yeast amiright




My girlfriends parents are vegan/pescetarian and they use B12 lozenges.

I prefer the yeast because it has a bunch more healthy stuff in it, and it just tastes cheesy so I can add it to lots of food.

A serving has:
Thiamin 9.6 mg 640% Riboflavin 9.7 mg 570% Niacin 56.0 mg 280% Vitamin B6 9.6 mg 480% Folate 240 mcg 60% Vitamin B12 7.8 mcg 130% Pantothenic Acid 1.0 mg 10%

Minerals
Amounts Per Selected Serving
Iron 0.7 mg 4% Magnesium 24.0 mg 6%  Sodium 5.0 mg 0% Zinc 3.0 mg 20% Copper 0.1 mg 6% Manganese 0.1 mg 6%


and 8 grams of protein.


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: flickedbic]
    #23826121 - 11/12/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I thought vitamin k was abundant in spinach.


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    #23826136 - 11/12/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's abundant in all green leafy vegetables. B12 and D is all you need to worry about I believe. Magnesium, manganese, and calcium for minerals unless I'm missing something.


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    #23826143 - 11/12/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Vitamin K is in a lot of greens.  However it's fat-soluble; so drizzle some olive oil on that salad and you'll get it.

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Fat-Soluble Vitamin Absorption

During digestion, your body relies on the presence of fat to properly absorb fat-soluble vitamins, including vitamins A and K. Your digestive tract breaks down the spinach, crushing the cells to release the vitamins within. Fat-soluble vitamins dissolve in fat droplets in your digestive system, then get absorbed by your intestines along with those fat droplets. If you have no fat in your digestive tract, the vitamins cannot dissolve properly and do not get absorbed in your small intestine



http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/nutrient-absorption-preparation-spinach-4483.html


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: flickedbic]
    #23828002 - 11/13/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
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Contrary to the many rumors, there are no reliable, unfortified plant sources of vitamin B12, including tempeh, seaweeds, and organic produce.



http://veganhealth.org/articles/vitaminb12

You can get it from nutritional yeast, however.  I love the stuff.

Quote:

Nuts and seeds = source of fatty acids (conversion of ALA to similar ones)




Conversion is actually very poor, especially in males. 

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(...)the degree of conversion appears to be unreliable and restricted. More specifically, most studies in humans have shown that whereas a certain, though restricted, conversion of high doses of ALA to EPA occurs, conversion to DHA is severely restricted.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947

I eat shrimp, it has the perfect ratio of Omegas and lots more good stuff.

There is an algea that is an alternative source I'm looking at... a good source of both DHA and EPA.

Spray-dried Schizochytrium sp microalgae.

18% DHA by weight.  Just be sure it isn't some 'Martek' garbage.


I used to be vegan, now I am now a freegan.  Basically if you're going to throw away meat, I'll eat it.




I had no idea about the seaweed and B12. Did some more reading and there's active & inactive forms? Some sites say seaweed is a source of B vitamins, others do not. On the packets of dried seaweed I eat (only "ingredients" is olive oil and sea salt), it lists seaweed as a source of B vitamins, with something like B12 360% RDA in one packet. I assume this is inactive B12 and/or it's fortified?  :crankey: But, I eat seaweed for its iodine and other nutritional profile.... not B vitamins.
I've heard conflicting reports on the conversion ratios of ALA to DHA :shrug:

Regardless, I'm not actually 100% vegan. I don't eat any diary at all but like meat and fish :lol:


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: daz01]
    #23828073 - 11/13/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think the mindsets good obviously so it all depends on the bigger picture.


ah but if your body has a sort of infection youhave to get the correct meals and meat helps a lot. And I'm just talking like small infections dont ask me how i know.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: daz01]
    #23828081 - 11/13/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's what happened to me too.  I picked up spirulina cause I saw the B12 content... but after a study, Dagnelie et al. say, "It seems unjustified to advocate algae and other plant foods as a safe source of vitamin B12 because its bioavailability is questionable."
http://veganhealth.org/b12/meas

I still love it for it's diverse nutritional profile and high complete protein content.

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The blue-green algae shot to fame in the 1970s when National Aeronautical and Space Agency (NASA), USA, used it for astronauts food in space.  Spirulina is rich in proteins (60%), amino acids, essential fatty acids, Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) fatty acids, nucleic acids (DNA and RNA), beta-carotene (pro-vitamin A), vitamins- B, C & E, minerals like iron, potassium, magnesium, sodium, phosphorus and calcium, and phytochemicals such as chlorophyll (the green pigment) and phycocyanin (a blue pigment). Its outstanding nutritional profile, high protein and low calorie count makes it a ‘superfood’.


http://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/diet-diary-astronauts-meal-power-food-for-earthlings/


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I've heard conflicting reports on the conversion ratios of ALA to DHA





Yep, the conversion is extremely questionable... besides supplimenting DHA there are some tips for vegans:

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Traditional Remedy: Take more ALA, Reduce LA

The traditional way that vegetarians were encouraged to raise EPA and DHA levels was by increasing ALA and decreasing linoleic acid (LA), a short chain omega-6 fatty acid(...)  If (the conversion enzymes) are saturated with omega-6s, they are not able to convert omega-3s.

(...)

Do not prepare food with oils high in omega-6 such as corn, soy, safflower, sunflower, most vegetable oil blends (typically labeled "vegetable oil") and sesame oil. Instead, use low omega-6 oils like olive, avocado, peanut, or canola. Only cook canola under low heat and for short periods.

Add some ALA

Add 0.5 g of uncooked ALA to your diet daily (see chart). This would be the equivalent of:
1/5 oz English* walnuts (3 halves)
1/4 tsp of flaxseed oil
1 tsp of canola oil
1 tsp ground flaxseeds




http://veganhealth.org/articles/omega3

NOTE: There have been no studies on this method, so we don't really know if doing that would boost DHA levels.

I would recommend taking vegan DHA suppliments derived from Schizochytrium algae, which are now widely available.


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shroomism]
    #23828114 - 11/13/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Clams and oysters are certainly not vegan.





chicken is vegan though 'cuz chickin is a vegetable


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: flickedbic]
    #23828458 - 11/13/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've been looking at spirulina as a source of protein. What do you buy, what is the price, and how long does it last you?


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead]
    #23828598 - 11/13/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Organic - 8oz/ $15
from MountainRose

A normal amount is ~5g / day but more is good too.

I put it in smoothies, on eggs, in salsa or guacamole, and over salad... It's plate-licking good; makes your body say YES!

Especially good in this Fukushima world.

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studies show how the phytopigments from this health food store favorite benefitted in children after the Chernobyl accident by helping escort radiation out of the body (50% decreased in 20 days using 5 grams a day) (Loseva et al., 1993).



https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inner-source/201404/are-you-risk-fukushima-radiation-exposure

My girlfriends parents picked up easily used compressed spirulina pills rather than working with the powder (which can be kind of messy and the taste isn't for everyone 'tho it grew on me, so you have to choose wisely what to mix it into).


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2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: flickedbic]
    #23828614 - 11/13/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How much protein is in 5g?


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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead]
    #23828622 - 11/13/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

~3g
(It's 60% complete protein by weight)


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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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    #23828870 - 11/13/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead]
    #23828880 - 11/13/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Vegan lifestyle is too fanatical.  I'll stick with being ovo-lacto-vegetarian who doesn't buy leather goods.


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    #23828882 - 11/13/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You'd have real muscles if you ate more vegetables.


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* When a vegan lectures you on the evils of meat
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