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Ahab McBathsalts
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From my personal experience then, the weakest sickliest looking person in my college program is a vegan.
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Shiithead
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And they are just jokes lol you can actually be a vegan for the rest of your life if you know what you're doing.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL
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duh this isnt 1986 anymore theres like whole sections in the grocery store for veggie/vegan products and you can get everything u need from plant based shit. I mean if someone is weak theyre prob not eating a very healthy diet even tho theyre vegan/veggie. most ppl suck at self control n food choices which i dont get cuz its not like drugs or anything. I mean i almost eat no meat any more maybe once every two months. I had few ounce piece tuna this week and i eat eggs from my uncles shit. Im thinking bout fucking round with some quail myself. I only really wanna eat meat i catch or raise myself cuz that only way seems right to me. I dont even miss it most my food has more flav and wholesome ingredients now and i dont eat like any processed shit really. I mean its more work cooking but i dont think ill go back to the way i was eating.
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hi chief
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Prisoner#1
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ZacksJourney said: I'd eat your cows
this is how cattle in the US are actually raised for the majority of their lives, they're sent to feed lots where they're fed agricultural wastes such as sugar beet pulp and residues from crops, silage, in order to fatten them up for sale and slaughter. the vegans post a feedlot picture and claim it to be something it isnt
I dont know if you've ever eaten 'grass fed', un aged beef but to be honest with you, it's gross. the aging process tones down the flavor a great deal, it's done with cattle off a feed lot and a lot of the free range cattle, the former already has a muted flavor even before aging but the aging process makes it better. beef straight from the processor is just terrible. you can taste the grass
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Prisoner#1
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akira_akuma said: Prisoner #1 is the Paragon of all that is good and holy in the World of Vegetation.
But he hasn't apparently a care in the world for the actual instances of Animal abuse and cruelty, so he barks loudly at anyone who talks about it.
tell me, is it more cruel to treat a sick or injured animal with antibiotics or more cruel to leave it untreated for the sake of 'organic' certification?
ewww, i think you just answered your own question. A, A, friend. i'm not saying you don't know alot of varied interesting things. but you supposing that factory farming isn't grotesque without handling things with kid-gloves, which often is not the case of what is happening in many places, you get diseases, you get shoddily made food, and the standard almost becomes Chinese in quality. 
you need to show me factory farming or you're just spreading horse shit, I need you to call around to the beef farms in your area and request a tour, video tape your tour ans post it here so we can see you actually have a fucking clue at this point city boy
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ZacksJourney said: The problem imo is that we do not hunt and grow our own food, we let industries to treat animals in horrible conditions, but we cover our own eyes, eating the nicely packed burger or chiken with their illustrated faces smiling at is.
you mean that you buy into the vegan/peta propaganda. the vast majority of people in the US have never seen a farm yet many of those have decided based on a few pictures and what someone else who has never been to a farm has told them, they believe that they have a clue what's actually going on. some slick vegan stumbles across a photo of a feed lot and concocts a story about it being a factory farm, saying that cows are raised in close quarters confinement their entire lives, always standing knee deep in their own feces and never having access to fresh grass when the reality is this claim couldnt be further from the truth
god damn u are dumb prisoner 1
prove it.
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daz01
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Ahab McBathsalts said: In before this thread goes off the rails. Joe Rogan has some pretty good takes on veganism and lack of certain nutrients don't allow people to stick with it longer than a few years. If it makes you happy though, go for it. There are certainly worse things that you could be doing.
And he is wrong. Seaweed = massive source of B12 and B vitamins. Nuts and seeds = source of fatty acids (conversion of ALA to similar ones)
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flickedbic
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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: daz01]
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Contrary to the many rumors, there are no reliable, unfortified plant sources of vitamin B12, including tempeh, seaweeds, and organic produce.
http://veganhealth.org/articles/vitaminb12
You can get it from nutritional yeast, however. I love the stuff.
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Nuts and seeds = source of fatty acids (conversion of ALA to similar ones)
Conversion is actually very poor, especially in males.
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(...)the degree of conversion appears to be unreliable and restricted. More specifically, most studies in humans have shown that whereas a certain, though restricted, conversion of high doses of ALA to EPA occurs, conversion to DHA is severely restricted.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947
I eat shrimp, it has the perfect ratio of Omegas and lots more good stuff.
There is an algea that is an alternative source I'm looking at... a good source of both DHA and EPA.
Spray-dried Schizochytrium sp microalgae.
18% DHA by weight. Just be sure it isn't some 'Martek' garbage.
I used to be vegan, now I am now a freegan. Basically if you're going to throw away meat, I'll eat it.
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Shroomism
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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: Shiithead] 2
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Enjoy your chronic vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
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flickedbic
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They actually won't have any if they do it right.
But it's not just vegans screwing up nutrient intake. Regarding Americans in general: Quote:
A substantial proportion of the adult population (over 40%) had inadequate intakes of vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin E, calcium, and magnesium.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2014.901196?journalCode=uacn20
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Vegan Lifestyle [Re: daz01]
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daz01 said: Seaweed = massive source of B12 and B vitamins.
not available in all markets
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Nuts and seeds = source of fatty acids (conversion of ALA to similar ones)
really fucking expensive
so in order to be a healthy vegan, many people would need to import food from other areas and otherwise spend huge sums of money. sounds like such a workable plan
BTW. the b12 in seaweed is extremely low, between .3 and .38 micrograms, eating enough of that iodine rich seaweed to get enough b12 will cause issues due to the high amount of iodine, that means that you still wont be a healthy vegan
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I eat a shit ton of pecans, walnuts and almonds. They are a bit pricey though. I probably eat about $5 of nuts and seeds (insert whore mouth joke here) a day.
I'm lactose intolerant, so I drink almond milk too.
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*almond water
you cant milk a nut. I mean you can milk my nuts but I prefer you do it with your whore mouth.
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PatrickKn


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Technicalities. Kind of feels like an utter if you do it yourself though. Fake utter for fake milk.

The conditions in the almond milk factory are pretty bad though. I like grass fed almonds.
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Shroomism
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flickedbic said: They actually won't have any if they do it right.
That's a BIG fucking if.
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the most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores.
Chronic B12 deficiency can be irreversible. And that's just B12. There's also Vitamin K, which most vegans are deficient in as well.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL
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I think most ppl consider clams n oysters n shit vegan and have ton b12. There like basically jus underwater meat flowers. 
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Shroomism
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Clams and oysters are certainly not vegan.
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larry.fisherman
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Kinda looks like something I've eaten before but I can't quite put my finger in it.
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flickedbic
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I've already mentioned B12 is easily provided by cheap nutritional yeast.
If you have a source on the vitamin K claim that'd be cool, but that is an easy fix as well.
I have provided a study showing >40% of Americans are deficient in a gamut of nutrients.
This is a topic we all should be aware of, easily remedied no matter what dietary path we choose.
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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