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I'm in my mid to late 20s and I was unhappy to find dark purple veins on the under/outside of my upper thigh. My mom developed spider veins in her 30s so I guess I'm not too surprised. I'm pretty unhappy though.
Anyway, everything I read on treatment is basically to destroy or remove the vein. Which seems really stupid. And frankly unnecessary.
I'm thinking I may just make a little cut and bleed the vein out, like an oblong blood pimple. What do you guys think? Do I have a chance of success or does it just sound purely stupid?
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Varicose veins huh? I was displeased to discover them on the back of my calf a few months back. But my dad has them so I always knew it was coming, just didn't expect it this soon.
They can remove the vein, but it's a full on OP, and it's just for vanities sake. AFAIK, there is no home cure. You really wanna pay to remove them, like getting plastic surgery of sorts, or accept and age gracefully?
Yeah, they're ugly, but so is getting old in general. My only recompense is that as my body weakens, my mind grows stronger.
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Yeah I'm not getting surgery. I have scars and bumps and stretch marks on my legs, another mark doesn't make a huge difference I guess.
But I'm OCD and want to prod them out myself if I can. Not that I'd pull the vein out myself. I'm no stranger to at home medical procedures... Blood letting is good for you anyway. I just wanna know if it would possibly be worth it to make a small centimeter wide cut to bleed those veins out. There's like 4 of them so far.
There is nothing graceful about my aging btw
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doesn't sound like a good idea to me I think going that route you might end up with a worse situation than the spider veins
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Well the fix is to cauterise and remove the entire vein. I don't think you're gonna manage that too easy at home.
IMO, the only thing stopping you from aging gracefully is your belief that you're not. Fuck, gimmie cancer and dementia and spider veins - I've lived a good life, so no matter what age does to me, I'll take it graceful, and bow out gracefully if needs be.
Even if it does piss me off a little at times, age gets us all in the end.
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I appreciate and respect the sentiment 
But my case is probably a bit different. I've battled illness for the last couple years (and the varicose veins are quite possibly a side effect) and have felt at least twice my aged for a long long time. It took me a long time to accept that I was unwell and now that I have I count it even to just not be bitter about it. There is no ageing or old age to me anymore, I barely even count my actual age anymore (until I get into conversations about VHS tapes and antenna TV ) to me there is only sick, sicker, better, and well.
I'm annoyed with the blue spidery splotches on my leg really mostly because it's just a blunt visual sign that I probably SHOULD be bitter. I tried to live out my early 20s as any other kid would and all it did was seriously exacerbate my illness and fester into a severe depression. I am doing better now that I've acknowledged it and am doing what I can to take care of my old ass... And I'd like to take care of these defective veins.
...wouldn't be the first time I've cauterized a wound without anesthesia buuuut if simply poking it with the tip of a razor or needle won't take care of it I guess I'll ignore it. I suppose if it grows to annoy me enough I could tattoo over it...?
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I hear ya CC. I wish I could empathise more - that sounds like a shit situation. I get your perspective on age now!
I really don't think you can do anything about this at home. Perhaps if you had someone go to town with a scalpel, but you'll need to be careful to only remove the part of the vein after the collapse. It can definitely be done professionally if it bothers you that much. Mine are on the back of my calf so I don't see them unless I look. Out of sight, out of mind. Are yours really visible to you every time you strip off, or more to others?
I think you'd be much better off tattooing over it (but I'm pretty biased when it comes to tats). Do you have any/many tats already?
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One, with plans on more. My only problem is finding a reliable artist I can really like. I'd not ever get anything that doesn't have significant meaning to me and because of that having an artist I can trust means alot. Plus side is I live in a very tattoo friendly city. Downside is all my friends get their work done at a place that overcharges or from personal friends that aren't open to public work.
I hope to find one to do my dragon though. I need some cover up already over my scared shoulder. I have this circular burn scar that I'm hoping a good artist can turn into an eye or something. That would be badass.
I'm all for using what ya got. Life hands you lemons you can cry about it or you can make lemonade. I've not thought about any tattoos I'd like on my legs but, maybe if I do find a good artist I like, we may end up being able to make that defective skin into a work of art what a lovely significance of its own for that matter. The good, the bad, the ugly, and (hopefully) the beautiful on display. My skin incorporating all the complex mesh that parallels life. I like this idea alot.
Suddenly much less unhappy about the purply spiders. Thanks for letting me talk you guys, that's all I needed
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Ah man, I wish you all the best in finding a good artist - it really is so key in bringing the meaning behind your tats to life. I've had about 9-10 people mark/tat/cut me over 17 years, but when I finally found my artist (NOT a tattooist) that I worked with for the last 8 of those years she helped my dreams come to life.
She was the only person I ever felt really comfortable with, she was really helpful in discussing ideas, and she was cheap too (but a long way away). She's pretty much retired now, so she won't be filling in this blank on my torso:

Which is fucking gutting, cause good artists in London now days want £150 an hour - she used to charge me £300 for a whole day, basically 1/3rd, and she was real good. I can't afford more work at £150 and hour, it's nuts. I went and got a quick tat on my belly after getting a powerful message from DMT a few weeks ago, and spent 10 minutes haggling over the price. £150 for 20 mins work? Fuck you!!
Like everything that gets popular, people will increasingly try and rip you off.
Pro Tip - I guess you know what style you like, as you can see I like lots of grey shading. When you have a good few hours to spare at some point check out the websites of all the shops near you until you find an artist that does your style. I put in about 7 hours just to find Mandy, in fact I nearly came to NYC for Paul Boothe for that sleeve cause hi black n grey is ultimate, but the flights and shit... so I was on her waiting list for a year before we started, but it was soooo worth it.
Really nice to see you making something positive of this CC, thanks for sharing.
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spider veins are cool better to have them on your legs than your eyelids
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Re: Spider veins [Re: Konyap]
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From what little research I have done (after noticing varicose veins on my feet in my early 20s), they're a permanent thing, discounting surgery. It's a failure in the physical structures in your veins that are supposed to act as one way valves with blood flow, causing minor eddy currents. Rarely are they threatening to overall health. Seems that removal/destruction of the vein is the only solution, forcing your body to regrow new (un-compromised) veins or to reroute blood flow to other veins in the vicinity.
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Re: Spider veins [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: forcing your body to regrow new (un-compromised) veins or to reroute blood flow to other veins in the vicinity.
I didn't think the former was possible; it's my understanding that the body reverts to the latter, and that there's very little risk of complications from having this surgery (or from not). IMO, it would just be a vanity thing to get it done, since there's no benefit or complication to health whether you get it or not.
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I have had these on the backs of my knees since I was little, although noticed a lil splotch on my thigh last year.
Because they are blue I tell myself it has something to do with circulation so I try to massage when I can as the ones on back of knees can hurt.
I don't know why coconut oil is popping into my head put I do know some people treat with horse chestnut.
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Well there's definitely a difference from spider veins and prominent veins. I've always had prominent veins on my feet, which seems common as the skin is very thin there. I frequently get cramps and spasms in my legs and so that's why I think it's very likely related to my health issues.
I already massage and exercise them as I can but I appreciate the suggestion, I will look into this horse chestnut.
Also plan on getting more vitamins into me, vitamin k in particular, so that may end up helping if it is related to circulation issues. Could end up helping alot of other issues too.
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I didn't think the former was possible; it's my understanding that the body reverts to the latter, and that there's very little risk of complications from having this surgery (or from not). IMO, it would just be a vanity thing to get it done, since there's no benefit or complication to health whether you get it or not.
If that's true I may consider a small surgery worth it. To actually fix the issue and not utterly destroy clearly defective blood flow parcels in my legs might not be an awful idea. But again if they don't regrow it seems counterproductive.
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I wouldn't call it counterproductive, since they don't look very nice, and the operation would restore the smoothness of your skin. It just has no functional benefit. To me, it's like plastic surgery to counteract aging, which, IMO, looks worse than just aging.
But, you've explained already your experience as it differs to my own, and if it's important to you to restore the smoothness that was once there for your own wellbeing, then I agree, you should look into it.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Ah man, I wish you all the best in finding a good artist - it really is so key in bringing the meaning behind your tats to life. I've had about 9-10 people mark/tat/cut me over 17 years, but when I finally found my artist (NOT a tattooist) that I worked with for the last 8 of those years she helped my dreams come to life.
She was the only person I ever felt really comfortable with, she was really helpful in discussing ideas, and she was cheap too (but a long way away). She's pretty much retired now, so she won't be filling in this blank on my torso:

Which is fucking gutting, cause good artists in London now days want £150 an hour - she used to charge me £300 for a whole day, basically 1/3rd, and she was real good. I can't afford more work at £150 and hour, it's nuts. I went and got a quick tat on my belly after getting a powerful message from DMT a few weeks ago, and spent 10 minutes haggling over the price. £150 for 20 mins work? Fuck you!!
Like everything that gets popular, people will increasingly try and rip you off.
Pro Tip - I guess you know what style you like, as you can see I like lots of grey shading. When you have a good few hours to spare at some point check out the websites of all the shops near you until you find an artist that does your style. I put in about 7 hours just to find Mandy, in fact I nearly came to NYC for Paul Boothe for that sleeve cause hi black n grey is ultimate, but the flights and shit... so I was on her waiting list for a year before we started, but it was soooo worth it.
Really nice to see you making something positive of this CC, thanks for sharing.
Damn JSB. I always thought you were a cool dude but I never imagined you had such a good looking bod I love your ink, the dragon especially. Does he curl around your back?
True though the price of body art has skyrocketed. oiy, I've looked into and am interested in a few artists here but ofc they're booked most of the year and charge an arm and a leg. I plan to figure it out sometime this coming year. Or at least work on figuring it out.
And to answer your previous question, I don't see them unless I'm sitting and my thigh fat scrunches up. I actually only noticed them because I was picking at a bug bite that had scarred. Anyone looking to appreciate my assets would most definitely notice though. Dunno what I'd ever get tattooed on the area but I suppose I have time to figure that out too.
I have a growing set of drawings and sketches friends have done for me. The only real difficulty a tattoo artist would have is fitting the drawing onto my skin. I've heard that tattooing over scars can get messed up unless the artist is experienced.
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I wouldn't call it counterproductive, since they don't look very nice, and the operation would restore the smoothness of your skin. It just has no functional benefit. To me, it's like plastic surgery to counteract aging, which, IMO, looks worse than just aging.
But, you've explained already your experience as it differs to my own, and if it's important to you to restore the smoothness that was once there for your own wellbeing, then I agree, you should look into it.
Nah, I'd need way more surgery if I really wanted to do that. Pretty much from the neck down. Properly would have to go into the face too. And fuck that. I've always had a distaste for plastic surgery so that's of no interest to me. If it actually gave me better bloodflow I'd look into it. If it won't then I'll go for covering it up.
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Are you single or in a relationship CC? (thanks for that post by the way, that was fucking cool to read, I can talk about tats or bikes endlessly). Yeah the dragon goes down to my ankle. It represents the time in my life when I stopped being an immoral, violent, criminal scumbag and realised that honour is most important to me - that's why it's so big.
I can see why you might be more conscious these veins if you're single, since people (and I hate this) seem to judge so harshly on the superficiality of looks. But it is what it is, fucking cultural conditioning. If you're with someone committed to you, then it shouldn't matter to them at all. I, and the most honest man I know who has been a huge inspiration in my life and married for 35 years, both share the opinion that the signs of ageing on our partners endear us to them and only make us love them more.
IMO, you gotta first ask yourself who it bothers. If it doesn't bother you that much (of course it's bound to a bit, no one likes getting old) then I'd say fuck surgery, tat the fucker when you can and make it a part of your life story. If you have a partner and you're concerned it would bother them, I'd talk to them about it, and if you're single or thinking it might affect other peoples opinion of you, then I'd suggest that person(s) who might notice it aint worth your time.
Tl;Dr - Just get tats!! As long as you can afford them, waiting a year for a good artist is absolutely worth it. They're so, so special to me. If money was no factor I'd be covered in them by now; face and hands included. They're my life story to me, just like the deep crows feet at the side of my eyes from years of smoking and lots and lots of time laughing.
Honour that shit man!! You're fucking special and beautiful.
P.s - I'd love to see the kind of artwork you're thinking of getting, do you have any links?
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I love talking about art with passionate people myself. Life is a story, and no short one, and far from a fairy tale at that. Where we find much of it hard to talk about, art tells the stories of the innumerable chapters of life in a universal language.
I am in a relationship and I love my lady but she makes my head spin in all the bad ways as much as the good. She too is another complex chapter of duality in my life. She says they don't bother her and she still appreciates my assets even still I've come to realize ALL my self-esteem and confidence problems comes from a worry of perception of others.
But I've learned that perspective changes with others. In the right company with the right effort that perspective can shift into a more positive perception. I am only really self-conscious about most of my bodily issues if I feel I am being judged as weak or stupid in some way. Or worse, pitiful. And since many people tend to swing toward these ideas when they perceive some lacking abnormality I can be... Preemptive in my own judgment of my own flaws.
I choose to look at it all as battlescars, scars or not, the things I have been through and lived through may have broken me down more than a few times but I have always gotten back up and come through it all. Older, yes, but more importantly wiser than before.
I ramble a bit. But this all comes to a point - the dragon will be next because of what it symbolizes. A perfect harmonic and independent balance of all elements, fire, water, earth and air, with majesty, fortitude, power, and grace. There is no more beautiful creature that man could dream I think. And it is no small part in the decision that, according to the Mayan dreamspell, my higher self is what they call the Red Dragon. And all people aspire to be their higher self, to live to their highest potential and to be their best. I want it to be a reminder of how far I have come and of how far I have to go. Where I want to go.
I don't have an illustration for it yet though. How I can work it on to where I want it needs me to work alot with a tattoo artist. I don't even know if it will work best as an east or west dragon yet. I know only that I want it to speak more of majesty and strength than aggression and fearsomness.
I do have other pics though. One somewhere on my old phone and one or two on my home computer. I'll upload what I can find when I get home.
I think it would be pretty sweet if I could get the shroomery to draw me something. I want a tree of life going up my spine too. Something gnarled and ominous looking but strong and lively too. I have ideas for what has not come to find itself on paper or flesh. Gah I hope I can find a good artist soon.
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Here's one my Bosnia friend drew for me. I plan to put it on my back/shoulders over the tree I mentioned. It goes with a dove that says "always forgive" Can't find it right now, unpaid photobucket sucks to navigate these days.
I really like how your dragon grew out of your maturity.
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Random
Was checking out tattoo artist portfolios on facebook and stumbled upon this and many lols were had
 (all of his work is pretty terrible, and it's a good lesson to choose carefully)
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An oil massage (abhayanga) with goth kola infused sesame oil is supposed to help heal them.
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If I ever get a tattoo I am going to find the worst artist possible because that is punk rock. If I'm going to mark up my temple, I want to really defile it.
You can't "pop" a vein like a pimple, it takes a heavy IV user a long time to collapse a vein and even then it will likely be visible in an even worse way. Also the risk of infection, rogue clots, and other health issues is considerable.
At some point you've got to just stop caring. Sure there are people out there that will judge you by the way you look, but if you love yourself it truly doesn't matter and you will be that much more appealing to someone who will see you for what you are.
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I will look into this as well, thank you!
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You can't "pop" a vein like a pimple, it takes a heavy IV user a long time to collapse a vein and even then it will likely be visible in an even worse way. Also the risk of infection, rogue clots, and other health issues is considerable.
At some point you've got to just stop caring. Sure there are people out there that will judge you by the way you look, but if you love yourself it truly doesn't matter and you will be that much more appealing to someone who will see you for what you are.
Well I didn't literally mean like a pimple. But it is duly noted. I honestly don't think it would have bothered me if it weren't one of those things that fell on top of a long list of things. My body is pretty well wrecked.
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Small update I guess.
I've noticed they're starting to appear all up and down my left leg. I get alot of cramps in that leg too, especially at the calf where new spider veins are forming. Are they indeed related to bad circulation? should I go to a doctor to have them check for blood clots and check for more serious damage?
Is there anything I can do at home to improve my circulation? Don't say exercise unless you have very specific ideas of what kinds of exercise. I can only do very limited exercises, including cardio.
Also, I know I have high blood pressure and I've been thinking for a while that it might be related.
What do you guys think?
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Well yeah excercise. What response did you expect? Your cardio will open the veins and allow oxygen to come in, and helping your circulatory system get rid of unwanted compounds as well, not to mention your over all heart rate will improve. You need to extend your cardio for longer amounts of time. High blood pressure is usually caused by constricted blood veins, which not only allows less blood to the areas of your body but makes your heart work harder to get that blood there, causing high blood pressure and spider veins etc.
Sorry if "excercise more" is not the answer you want to hear. They have skin creams as well, but that's only going to treat symptoms and not actually improve the root of issue. The root of the issue is your body is malfunctioning, even if only in a small way. You've got to improve your blood flow. Is there some reason you are against uping your cardio?
Meditation also helps lower your blood pressure. Some disagree and say they feel just as much anxiety after sitting for a period of time as they did before the sitting. Regardless it is an activity that seems to lower your heart rate and improve your blood pressure, I've measured my blood pressure before and after and if you do it for two hours you'll see a serious decrease in high blood pressure.
Smoking too raises your blood pressure. You smoke cigarettes?
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Well I know there are massages and herbs that improve circulation so that's kinda what I was hoping for.
I cannot up my exercise regiment because of other physical problems. Think of something along the lines of CFS, lupus, fibro. Yes exercise helps with the pain but going over, just a tiny hair over, or doing as much on a decent day as I would a good day, fucks me up. My legs and hips tend to take it the worst. I can't run anymore, at all, not 20 feet on the road, without splinting my shins. Hiking is about the best I can do, and I can't get a good hike every day. I can barely walk from the car to the grocery store and back some days.
It's not just I don't want to hear it because I "don't have time" or some other frivolous excuse. It hurts to hear it. I used to be an athlete and a body builder. I went through a very serious depression in my early 20s trying to face the fact that all my muscles were wearing away and trying to bring them back only tortured me and made it impossible to do as much as to fucking take care of myself. I tried for a very long time to push it only half as hard as I would as an athlete but I eventually had to face the music. I deal with it but I still don't like admitting it or I would have sooner in the thread.
I've been building up the muscles back in my legs, very slowly, and it's helped take alot of the pressure off of my knees and hips. The cramps I've been getting haven't been as bad either. I think stress is the biggest thing I've been fighting the last year or so. My anxiety, tension, and blood pressure have been stupid bad the last few weeks so maybe that's why I had new spider veins form. Not sure if they have formed in the last few weeks, generally don't spend much time staring at my legs.
As for smoking... Yes I have a plan for quitting. Already cutting myself down to a limit of 4 a day. Will bring it down to 3 in a few weeks. Then 2. Then 1. And hopefully by then have the trailer set up at my new home so I can get out of my parents house and get rid of the primary source of anxiety in my life. And then I start a new life. Without cigarettes.
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imachavel
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Registered: 06/06/07
Posts: 31,375
Loc: You get banned for saying that
Last seen: 3 hours, 31 minutes
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Oh wow. Really sorry to hear that.
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I did not say to edit my signature soulidarity! Now forever I will never remember what I said about understanding the secrets of the universe by paying attention to subtleties!
I'm never giving you the password again. Jerk
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