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My life has lost all mystery, magic, mysticism...meaning
How can humans truly live without a deep connection to the profound, the ineffable?
Without having an inner sense and knowing that one is at all times a part of and one with the divine, the cosmic, the sacred, how can one continue aimlessly in this otherwise feeble existence?
With no awareness of the supernatural life has become very meaningless and drab. Like I'm just dragging on, continuing because I have to.
Well, thanks for reading these few lines, I would greatly appreciate others' opinions and feedback.
Mantis
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Re: stuck forever [Re: mantis83]
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You seem to already know the answer to your dilemma...
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unfortunategent said: You seem to already know the answer to your dilemma...
I understand what you mean by this? I really don't know the answer to my dilemma.
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Re: stuck forever [Re: mantis83]
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You've already come to the conclusion that life is meaningless without a connection to the divine, original source. Some people never realize this and are happy living life on a purely superficial level. You realize that there is more and therefore have the potential to live a much deeper, more fulfilling life than any Average Joe living on the surface level could ever experience. This comes at a price though. You can never go back to living like Joe. If you try, you will be met with failure and unhappiness every time. You are marked. You have no choice but to move forward with what you know is right. That, or spend a lifetime trying to forget.
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You have no choice but to move forward with what you know is right.
Yeah thanks for the advice it seems like a very accurate description of what i've been going through for a very long time. But I don't know how can I move forward with "what I know is right." I was hoping that entheogenic sessions could heal and free me, but I'm really not so sure about that now.
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You have no choice but to move forward with what you know is right.
Yeah thanks for the advice it seems like a very accurate description of what i've been going through for a very long time. But I don't know how can I move forward with "what I know is right." I was hoping that entheogenic sessions could heal and free me, but I'm really not so sure about that now.
your time with drugs is ending. all things change, constantly. you are having a sector change, significant. it is ok to do what is right. calm yourself, look around your life, know your energy, act accordingly. seek guidance silently inside yourself, listen carefully, be alert for opportunities.
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your time with drugs is ending. all things change, constantly. you are having a sector change, significant.
hi, may I ask how you know this? Are you spying on me?
what do you mean by "sector change?" And that my "time with drugs is ending?" I haven't even begin to explore the untapped potential of entheogens.
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Turn to psychology.
I don't think reading about psychology takes away the mystery, in fact it just increases it for myself since things which fall in the spirituality/mysticism vein are very much intermingled with psychology.
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thanks, but i'm really not into psychology very much. I want to be god-realized like I felt when I was very little, I don't want to fall from humanity eternally.
I want to reach the highest cosmic enlightenment not be stuck in this low level of consciousness and be trapped in this sick society's invisible prison forever
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your time with drugs is ending. all things change, constantly. you are having a sector change, significant.
hi, may I ask how you know this?
"My life has lost all mystery, magic, mysticism...meaning"
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Are you spying on me?
no, but you are not alone
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what do you mean by "sector change?" And that my "time with drugs is ending?" I haven't even begin to explore the untapped potential of entheogens.
certainly, you can continue to take trips, endlessly searching through answers you already know, maybe just for recreation, but it becomes obsessive if you are not cautious. you have become dislodged from an old paradigm and have not yet aligned with a new one. a common cause of dispair. there is always a groove, a vibrational flow, that flows near you, its real energy, im sure you have felt it at times. align with that flow by doing one simple thing: stop resisting. the ego will push you in and out of the flow for many reasons, mostly jealousy of your new ways, sounds like you may have recently killed its best friend. take a step back in your mind from your everyday reality and see where energy flows and is bottled up or is lacking energy, visualise energy regulating through all the parts, dont try and solve the details of any problems, just take control of the flow. you will get there.
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I absolutely understand, mantis. I agree, how can we exist without experiencing the ineffable? This is an attitude in India - they glorify the mysterious and profound, whereas in the West we call it pathology.
The world is Being.
Your being.
So enhance your being, find energies in yourself that are beautiful, mysterious and cultivate them, and they will turn your field of experience into a vista that sort of interprets that feeling or aspect of yourself.
I can't stand life without amazement, mystery, wonder, weirdness, awe . . .
which is why I insist on mushroom and DMT use despite having schizophrenic symptoms in the past.
Normal people, like my docs of past, don't understand WE NEED THIS.
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I want to reach the highest cosmic enlightenment not be stuck in this low level of consciousness and be trapped in this sick society's invisible prison forever
Do you say this from a self serving standpoint?
I choose psychology to put my faith in, even though I came to be this way through a love of mysticism and spirituality. I could say I was guided here by my past beliefs in the unknown, why would I be guided here if it were not the truth, at least that is what I ask myself.
For myself I believe I could help more people having this approach than I ever could any other way, so for myself it's a matter of ethics, it might mean I myself end up lacking something along the way because of putting my energy into helping others, but if I can help just one person gain a better understanding of their life, then I will view myself as a success, and will be content with that.
I wouldn't be so quick to divide psychology and spirituality/mysticism. Many of the followers of Jungian psychology are very much into what you're talking about, perhaps you're limiting your sources to pull inspiration from by writing off an entire field for some reason.
Don't allow this world to make your decisions for you, science and spirituality can only divide us if we allow them too, some might even go so far as to say that these things were engineered to keep us at each others throats. If you had power, and wanted to hide truth, then what better way to do so than to hide half of it within one belief, and the other half in a different belief, this way you could keep people at each others throats over who was correct. It would be a brilliant move if you were concerned with having power. I think we must explore myriad sources when we search for meaning in this world.
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Re: stuck forever [Re: mantis83]
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mantis83 said: My life has lost all mystery, magic, mysticism...meaning
How can humans truly live without a deep connection to the profound, the ineffable?
Without having an inner sense and knowing that one is at all times a part of and one with the divine, the cosmic, the sacred, how can one continue aimlessly in this otherwise feeble existence?
With no awareness of the supernatural life has become very meaningless and drab. Like I'm just dragging on, continuing because I have to.
Well, thanks for reading these few lines, I would greatly appreciate others' opinions and feedback.
Mantis
Well ... if you say so. Maybe its true, maybe its not. I'll leave this here. Read slowly and precisely by the syllable with no distractions.
Hakuin Zenji's Song of Zazen
All sentient beings are essentially Buddhas. As with water and ice, there is no ice without water; Apart from sentient beings there are no Buddhas. Not knowing how close the truth is we seek it far away – what a pity! We are like one, who in the midst of water cries out desperately in thirst. We are like the son of a rich man, who wandered away among the poor. The reason, we transmigrate through the Six Realms, is because we are lost in the darkness of ignorance. Going further and further astray in the darkness, how can we ever be free from birth-and-death? As for the Mahayana practice of Zazen, there are no words to praise it fully. The Six Paramitas, such as giving, maintaining the precepts and various other good deeds, like invoking the Buddha's name, repentance and spiritual training, all finally return to the practice of Zazen. Even those, who have sat Zazen only once, will see all karma erased. Nowhere will they find evil paths and the Pure Land will not be far away. If we listen even once with open heart to this truth, then praise it and gladly embrace it, how much more so then, if on reflecting within ourselves, we directly realize selfnature, giving proof to the truth, that self-nature is no-nature. We will have gone far beyond idle speculation. The gate of the oneness of cause and effect is thereby opened and not-two, notthree, straight ahead runs the way. Realizing the form of no-form as form, whether going or returning, we cannot be any place else. Realizing the thought of no-thought as thought, whether singing or dancing, we are the voice of the Dharma. How vast and wide the unobstructed sky of samadhi! How bright and clear the perfect moonlight of the Fourfold Wisdom! At this moment what more need we seek? As the eternal tranquility of Truth reveals itself to us, this very place is the Land of Lotuses and this very body is the body of the Buddha.
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Clearly being spoken is in the vision...of a Cancer of time...Time proletariat... indeed is good gospel seeking wisdom..of the fine Yunes...of the Cancer of the time itself...which is a bad cancer anyways...indeed it is true to know the knowledge of Venus...which is a virgin sandbag anyways...indeed is the cost to high to put Jupiter in charge..of the government...needs to the wrestler..indeed good regards are true...in the noise scape...and artists scape..or the scapegoat itself...which is Sophia wisdom..or the Baphomet which is the devil..or otherwise the idol...people always want wisdom..and will search to the grain to find it...this goes along well with culture...which is where we share memes and common ideas...with each other..and evolve and progress...and even the the shrewd Shrew..which is a vole...or mouse...so to speak..about a rat..which is Ratzon..which is the first culmnity of will..or the choice to do something..which is what Ratzon is...like a line dividing a circle..which is your soul...so that the outward can attain the light level of light...which is what highest level is anyways..true sorting is promised frequency..and later than that is the version of Kay, or Kai..or Even Ki! Chi is good energy...we keep making up words for the same thing...its energy..and its spirit and its life..everything we are...and then we sort the potency of those lack of considerations..indeed we are all stuck in a cage..and metaphors are beautiful...which means we only dislike gay science...unless your really gay like me...Ultimately..I vote no on Homosexual matrix marriage..which is an extension of Satan anyways...sorting shows the rules of the logic of energy..where there is latent energy..is indeed the object of our satisfaction...indeed as a Rolling stone..the words are true brilliant...attachment is the efficacy of time..which is a cube..and stone..or otherwise Yesod..and all forces are within your control...and that is experience itself..or otherwise frames of batter..or barter...which is where you get your brothers from...this is the new way to talk to people...which is so called subconscious linguiture...or linguistic programming.. which is great to do on drugs..micro sleeps...and every thing..given to Thomas Edison..which is what a light bulb is anyways...in and out of the porn cornacopia...indeed we are all lyer's in a field of straight reality...which is what lucifer means...and only those that are evil..burn in hell..
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Readers beware the cause of terror..is the legal agenda...about rites or anarchism?
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You have no choice but to move forward with what you know is right.
Yeah thanks for the advice it seems like a very accurate description of what i've been going through for a very long time. But I don't know how can I move forward with "what I know is right." I was hoping that entheogenic sessions could heal and free me, but I'm really not so sure about that now.
Drugs aren't the answer. They're fun but lead you nowhere, despite what many will tell you. Everything you need to know will come from the place where you know nothing.
Surrender your ego. "Ego death" is only temporary.
Did your mother ever teach you right from wrong? If you listened to her you should know right from wrong.
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BrendanFlock said: Readers beware the cause of terror..is the legal agenda...about rites or anarchism?
Fear and terror are only as real as your mind allows them to be. Words of wisdom from my friend.
-------------------- "I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes! "Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous "Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."
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Re: stuck forever [Re: mantis83]
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mantis83 said: My life has lost all mystery, magic, mysticism...meaning
How can humans truly live without a deep connection to the profound, the ineffable?
Without having an inner sense and knowing that one is at all times a part of and one with the divine, the cosmic, the sacred, how can one continue aimlessly in this otherwise feeble existence?
With no awareness of the supernatural life has become very meaningless and drab. Like I'm just dragging on, continuing because I have to.
Well, thanks for reading these few lines, I would greatly appreciate others' opinions and feedback.
... I was hoping that entheogenic sessions could heal and free me, but I'm really not so sure about that now.
... I haven't even begin to explore the untapped potential of entheogens.
...thanks, but i'm really not into psychology very much. I want to be god-realized like I felt when I was very little, I don't want to fall from humanity eternally.
I want to reach the highest cosmic enlightenment not be stuck in this low level of consciousness and be trapped in this sick society's invisible prison forever
Mantis
Magic and mystery are all around you and in you but it seems somehow you have allowed yourself to get dulled to it DESPITE psychedelic inspiration
You seem to pine for some 'supernatural', and in doing so ignore and underestimate the natural. hence I see it that you have created, via your thinking, a duality between 'natural' and what you think is the 'supernatural'. What do you mean by that term?
Last night I was continuing this thing I had written in one of my pads which I think is relevant for this topic: I was saying how an ancient dualistic notion believed by various belief systems, and philosophy, was that 'spirit' was trapped in 'matter'/nature. And so the initiates of these cults sought to find release from what they thought was their prison. Now, did you know that there was also the idea that consciousness was masculine and the body, nature, and the 'Underworld/'the unconscious' were feminine? So see how the problem was more androcentric ideas of the superiority of thinking, especially in its rational function of measure and so forth. And it was THIS function which caused a feeling of distance, and alienation from one's prganism, sensuality, others, and the natural world, and this caused a sense of feeling TRAPPED. Isolated-in-the-head. Cut OFF.
Now, psychedelics can dramatically dissolve this conceptual barrier. For example, when under the influence of psychedelics you listen to music. NOW music is not over there as if separate from you, but you become the music, your whole being. It is a living ecstatic experience. Suddenly you do NOT feel alienated. Same goes for if you sing, dance, paint, walk in the natural world. You feel dynamically connected with everything.
So my encouragement is to explore THAT. Imbibe insights from this ecstatic psychedelic experience. Oh and let yourself giggle, laugh also. Do not though expect that intensity all the time though as that is too silly. Nature moves in waves. We cannot be high all the time, nor low all the time. We move with the rhythms of life
nature is ALIVE and is FULL of magic and mystery
I was listening to an interesting interview with Andrew Feldmar, and he was talking about the danger many psychiatrists and psychologists do to people who seek help from them, and the reason he said is because they are so CERTAIN, and certainty he claims is the epitome of insanity, whereas doubt shows a sanity. I would rather say that certainty and doubt form a dynamic. A good example of this in the world of modern physics is the Uncertainty Principle where yes one part of as experiment CAN be measured, but this renders the rest a mystery. There is ALWAYS mystery even when you think you are certain!
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Fennario said: Turn to psychology.
I don't think reading about psychology takes away the mystery, in fact it just increases it for myself since things which fall in the spirituality/mysticism vein are very much intermingled with psychology.

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You need books my friend.
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Yea life ends when you learn to accept it. Passion is an illusion, so is the personality and emotions. I felt that way for a long time after my spiritual awakening journey finally settled back to normal and I realized nothing changed. What you need is God, the supreme reality (not an entity), it's what we see when we kill our ego, an objective reality without voices in our head and without perception. It's the same God in the Bible it's just been personified to hide the truth because God is dangerous knowledge but I got the recipe n shit
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drugs cut off your connection to the divine. Thats what all drug addicts have in common. We dont have a sense of connectedness to one another or to the holy spirit (the universe, whatever you wanna call it) thats why muslims dont drink or use drugs.
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sprinkles said: drugs cut off your connection to the divine. Thats what all drug addicts have in common. We dont have a sense of connectedness to one another or to the holy spirit (the universe, whatever you wanna call it) thats why muslims dont drink or use drugs.
Yes, But remember sprinkles, Muslims do drink and do use drugs just like all other peoples do. It is just that there is a precept in Islam to not drink and do drugs for the obvious reasons. But the same goes with Buddhism ( they break it and drink and drug just like the muslims, and the christians and the jews), there is a precept to not drink and do drugs, same reasons ( the inevitable consequences of it overall ). It is because it leads to suffering for so many that it is considered Immoral in many religions. Only the ones who practice their religion carry that precept in their hearts and lives.
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sprinkles said: drugs cut off your connection to the divine. Thats what all drug addicts have in common. We dont have a sense of connectedness to one another or to the holy spirit (the universe, whatever you wanna call it) thats why muslims dont drink or use drugs.
life entirely sober, in a society that promotes faith in eternal life, is something that isn't entirely a bad thing.
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"I" does not exist without "Y"
Am I present? Sounds harmless enough. Yet to ask is to know. Humbleness and humanity need to become good friends.
The ebb and flow of life is magic. It is difficult to appreciate the highs without life's lows.
To question "why" is our gift from the universe. Sounds like you are on the right track mantis83.
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You have painted yourself in a corner.
The Magic, the Mystery, the Wonder and Splendor is all still there but you closed the doree on it witt reductionist logic.
Let the paint dry and get out of there.
Psychedelics may help.
Its not that the Mystery is gone forever, you just locked yourself out temporarily.
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Asante said: MXE is an anesthetic. It disrupts information processing in the mid brain, this causes a vacuum in the raw sensory feed to your brain analogous to the effect of an isolation tank, the brain abhors a vacuum so it fills the hole in your perception in with another reality, strobing inbetween the frames of your sight, sound and other senses and presto, two realities interlacing.
you get shockingly drunk, disinhibited nnd then the rules of reality start to change, you move towards observing the quantum void through the cracks of reality.
Its utterly fascinating. After you stop dosing the effects go on for many hours and you get VERY euphoric and up. It has an antidepressant effect lasting several weeks after
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i've been coming to the same conclusions recently, so now that i'm as cool as Stanley Kubrick, i guess my life is affirmed for today, at least.
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I actually highly recommend bookmarking that website. They have some very thought provoking articles.
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can someone identify this for me please ?
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mantis83 said: My life has lost all mystery, magic, mysticism...meaning
How can humans truly live without a deep connection to the profound, the ineffable?
Without having an inner sense and knowing that one is at all times a part of and one with the divine, the cosmic, the sacred, how can one continue aimlessly in this otherwise feeble existence?
With no awareness of the supernatural life has become very meaningless and drab. Like I'm just dragging on, continuing because I have to.
Well, thanks for reading these few lines, I would greatly appreciate others' opinions and feedback.
Mantis
I believe in God. not some phantom white bearded dude from the clouds. I think anything you look at from the gita or even traditional religion or Greek mythology, it has simple truths, and even allegory. People are dense. You need to pull meaning from it.
I am on my path in life. I found this through self exploration, challenging myself to reach next level of consciousness, to be on that Maslow's hierarchy of needs, to reach self actualization; to be like Elliot Hulse says, that strongest version of myself.
No matter how dark the road gets in life or during a trip, my true North is knowing there is a God, this architect of the universe and life.
Find something to keep you centered. What are your dreams? Goals?? Ambitions? Have a path in life. Know your true north. I put my best foot forward and I look to share my talents as well as gifts in the world. My ego kicks off like everyone (hence spats online or road rage lol) but, I think we are all here on a similar life path which brought us to this forum.
Without some belief of God, appreciation for this life, and just giving thanks for the opportunity, the cards I was dealt, I am lucky. In the worst of times or trips, I am grounded because of it.
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i have, but thanks for the reminder. yeah, the site looks interesting.
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sprinkles said: drugs cut off your connection to the divine. Thats what all drug addicts have in common. We dont have a sense of connectedness to one another or to the holy spirit (the universe, whatever you wanna call it) thats why muslims dont drink or use drugs.
They have documented history of killing homos and women. I think your point is missing the mark. Are you using to get fucked up or are you exploring your consciousness? I have never touched dmt but I intend to one day at some point. Right now, I am not nearly ready for that.
-------------------- The light of wisdom is driving away the darkness. Look at the ground. Now you can see your own shadow. If you are scared by the shadow that follows you, just remember, wherever shadows fall, light is always nearby.
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