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DividedQuantum
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the charade of democracy
#23818807 - 11/10/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The charade of democracy is that almost nothing gets done when it needs to get done, and what actually does is totally impermanent. At best a given measure is transitory. Opponents have only to wait for their man to be elected to get what they want, which includes undoing all that has been done in the previous administration. It is political chaos, and in truth American society has no real stability.
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Morel Guy
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Over time things change. People become more aware. Unfortunately this creates a greater divide. When a liberal regime is in power the conservatives shit their pants. Also the same for liberals when a conservative regime is in power.
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Re: the charade of democracy [Re: Morel Guy]
#23819394 - 11/10/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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this video explains things succinctly:
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DividedQuantum
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Nothing new in that video, obviously, but I like the point at the very end -- that democracy represents the transition from a republic to an oligarchy. Technically, the United States is and always has been a federal republic. But we have strong democratic traditions, and are essentially democratic in most ways on issues that do not affect the pocketbooks of the elite. Clearly, when the people are not paying attention, politicians can do what they want. But we just had a democratic election, so one sees that democracy plays an important role in the modern republic.
During the early days of the nation (until 1824), presidents were elected by electors designated by state legislatures. There was no popular vote. Talk about the ultimate in republican government. Ultimately, though, despite the survival of the electoral system, the popular vote determines elections (usually). Eventually minorities and women were allowed to vote, which they hadn't been able to do until later on. So we see things evolving toward more democracy over time.
It doesn't really have much bearing on the original post, however, because you could easily substitute the word "republican govt." for "democracy" and the meaning of the post is the same. It is a convention that the United States is called a democracy. And I very much support the idea in the video that as a society declines, it gets more and more "democratic" until eventually it morphs into an oligarchy. I think that is prescient and perceptive, and I think that is what we are seeing.
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"But we just had a democratic election, so one sees that democracy plays an important role in the modern republic."
yes, that role is to undermine rule of reason.
for instance, scientific method doesnt rule by vote but by result, there is an authority of established protocol. no such thing in a popular vote. there is no authority of reason except the individual. everyone can make up their own mind, or let others help them. they can be persuaded to elect anybody, or maybe anything. Edward Bernays took care of that.
our representative government is deeply flawed. if the reps were experienced members of society with strong ties to a community that truly respected them, then it might work. then they would be personally invested in who was president. their community would ideally be able to trust them to pick the president. since they are the best member of the community for the job then they are best qualified to pick. still be problems with the hatfields and mccoys. but better than corporofascism.
since you asked, i advocate for a natural government. a way of living that is governed by natures laws. the most wholistic way to live on this planet. of course, in the end that means returning to silence and living naked in the trees.
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