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Asante
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About Reality and Magic. 1
#23818608 - 11/10/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe that every choice is a crossroads, a fork in the road that either leads to the version of the universe with the Yay or the Nay.
If you choose between an apple and a pear there is a version of the universe where you ate the apple and one where you ate the pear. At the crossroads of the decision you split in two too, but your consciousness, your line of thought, only goes the way of your decision.
So in your mind you choose the version of the universe where you eat the apple or the pear.
But.
My fruit bowl has only bananas right now. It is downstairs so just like schroedingers cat its in superposition with all its states.
How about I make the decision to go to the fruit bowl where there are not bananas but an apple and a pear? It used to have an apple and a pear.
Its all in superposition until I choose right?
Problem?
And if there is a problem, is there a problem in the superposition or is it a problem of me deciding to go there, and if the latter, can this problem be overcome?
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Re: About Reality and Magic. [Re: Asante]
#23818699 - 11/10/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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To me it matter what I have to live with or live without.
-------------------- "in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur" In filth it will be found in dung it will be found
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Re: About Reality and Magic. [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23818708 - 11/10/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The cat is not dead!!! Poor kitty mao
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Re: About Reality and Magic. [Re: Asante] 2
#23818754 - 11/10/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've played with the idea that a human life is like a line drawn through a universe of possibilities.
Theoretically then, anything would be possible. However in practice there are some caveats. Specifically that the ultimate purpose of existence is to create meaningful experience.
Because of this you can't choose any path. The arc of life has to follow a course that is meaningful and contigous. One moment has to flow smoothly into the next without jumping all around.
In this case one of our biggest limitations would be our own perceptions and expectations. If you already know what is in the bowl, and you have been heavily conditioned to believe that the universe is governed by physical rules, then you cannot simply decide to change what is there. Doing so would interrupt the continuity of the experiential line we travel.
In order to have better ability to navigate life we would first have to dismantle pretty much everything we have been told or conditioned to believe. We would then have to rebuild a perspective that incorporates a new understanding ourselves, reality, and the relationship between the two.
This change couldn't happen instantly It would need to take place step by step. Remove some piece of what we think, replace it with something closer to the truth of things. Each new change to our perspective would have to be evaluated, accepted, and fully integrated before we could move on.
One of the biggest mistakes somebody can make is to become too focused on some end result, like being able to influence the development of our personal reality. Maybe it is possible, but placing too much emphasis on that particular idea will effectively shut down our ability to evolve.
Like a piece of a machine, when we hold some idea fixed within our mind it locks it in place. This in turn locks any related ideas, which locks any ideas related to those, and so on, and so forth. Before long large portions of our perspective are unable to change.
There may be 100,000 steps between a scientific/materialistic perspective and one that can change what kind of fruit we have. Instead of focusing on some far off possibility we can't even properly understand, we need to put all our effort into the steps that are right in front of us. It is plenty hard enough to change a step at a time and will demand a lot of our abiities.
I think it may be possible to do what you imagine. I think some people may even be getting close to having what it takes. But I think as a general rule such topics are best kept on the downlow. Most people will laugh at the suggesion. Some might actually believe it and then waste their time trying to alter reality from their current perspective.
To me the most important concept to discuss is the fact that we can change. We can systematically improve the way we understand ourselves and life. We can take step after step in our personal evolution. Where those steps actually lead... well, I guess we just have to walk the path and find out.
In a world where most people self identify with fixed beliefs for large portions of their lives we might as well be discussing the impossible and absurd.
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AllGreyThumbs said:In a world where most people self identify with fixed beliefs for large portions of their lives we might as well be discussing the impossible and absurd.
Then again, maybe I just need to navigate towards a version of reality where more people understand. Hold on, let me move a few steps to the left. Ok, I got it. Now I can speak more freely.
What I mean is that we might not be changing bananas into pears. We might actually be stepping into the universe where the pears exist. If they are pears for us, they are pears for everyone, forever and ever and ever. If you throw them onto dirt pear trees might grow. You could start a pear forest that people could come and walk though.
The point is that we can't really change discrete items. We are essentially locking down an entirely new version of the universe. Because of this we needn't focus on some little detail. Why not pick something bigger, like a universe where suddenly everyone is waking up and getting better at life. It actually seems to be a lot easier to make these kind of changes than to make descrete changes which seem to clearly violate our sensibilities and conditioned expectations.
Did I really sidestep into a slightly different universe? Maybe, maybe not. Hard to prove. Hard for my logical and culturally biased mind to struggle with and fight against.
I guess if wanted to change bananas into pears I would not do it in a universe where nobody believes that crap. After I got myself nice and mentally flexible I'd start side stepping through realities where me and everyone else were more spiritually evolved and aware. Long before I could change a bannana into a pear I might get distracted by new possibilities and human interactions. That would be OK because life is supposed to keep occupied and engaged.
The whole time, the remants of my rigid and biased mind would be thinking, "Did all that really happen or did I just learn to see things differently? Oh well, look, shiny new experiences to explore!"
Now, in a world of unlimited possibilities, where would I like to try to chart a course towards?
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Interesting.
That is one of the benefits of psychedelics. They can open up a lot more possibility. Yet they can also severely limit the scope of perception. Being not sure how to open a door or the possible consequences of irrational or even rational fear.
Biology limits us the most. Being wired to be a certain way no matter how hard we try. In fact trying can make it worse. Yet psychedelics can allow us to love and except our biological limitations.
I have no idea what all psychedelics could open people up to.
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