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OfflineMelchizedech
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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23818572 - 11/10/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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ComebackKid said:
Or order some synthetic filter disks to fit under your plastic lids. SFDs are like 99.97% effective against contamination.
I've heard of tyvek secured with MP tape being effective as well.
MP tape is the least effective. I'm currently using MP myself while I wait for my SFDs in the mail. If you're going to use MP as a last resort I suggest 2 or 3 layers and colonize in your SAB





Yeah I've got some of those disks.

BUT

Upon receiving them, I thought they are WAY too large.
So I cut them in 4 pieces, and tape them.

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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23818578 - 11/10/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why underneath the lid, specifically?


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23818589 - 11/10/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It helps to secure it, and provides better view. Not really a hassle, and more for inoculation than grain-to-grain, but it also helps you find your GE hole and your inoculation hole, as well. Just easier, I suppose.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: PNW_Shroomer]
    #23819074 - 11/10/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

1/2 inch hole in the center stuffed tight with polyfill has worked good for me, and they usually last 3-4 times before getting really rusty (the rusty ones work too, but i usually replace them at this point since they're so cheap).  For g2g i have the lids on rubber side up and secured to the bands with 3 pieces of evenly spaced masking tape.  Usually i do 20 jars at a time (from 2 master jars), so i loosen up all 20 lids (with the aluminum foil cover still on) prior to doing the transfer, so it's really quick to just pop off the pre-loosened lid (after removing the foil, of course) and dump in the colonized grain


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23819096 - 11/10/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The Mycologist said:
Pasty just loosens the plastic lids a little for ge




Yeah, but this isn't the recommended method.  Just what you do when you're tired of stuffing poly and gluing and cutting SFDs.  I agree it works, and I honestly do it too, but for it isn't just for anybody, especially people that like to touch their jars... at all.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: crackbaby]
    #23819339 - 11/10/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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1/2 inch hole in the center stuffed tight with polyfill has worked good for me, and they usually last 3-4 times before getting really rusty (the rusty ones work too, but i usually replace them at this point since they're so cheap).  For g2g i have the lids on rubber side up and secured to the bands with 3 pieces of evenly spaced masking tape.  Usually i do 20 jars at a time (from 2 master jars), so i loosen up all 20 lids (with the aluminum foil cover still on) prior to doing the transfer, so it's really quick to just pop off the pre-loosened lid (after removing the foil, of course) and dump in the colonized grain




Hm. And no holes at all in your jars eh? It works fine for GE?


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23819496 - 11/10/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The disks should be the size of you jar mouth opening and you place your lid overtop to secure it in place.
There's 70mm 90mm and I think 110mm
It's not recommended that you cut them because it ruins the integrity of the filter and they eventually wear out I hear. If you keep them intact they will last for life. (Or so they claim on the website)


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23819545 - 11/10/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ahhh.  No SFDs i don't have any. Gonna make jars next week I think... I have polyfil, micropore, and postal tyvek. I really think I wanna try double layer micropore on both sides of the lid... and you guys say put the rubber seal facing upwards, lids upside down??


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23819630 - 11/10/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't put MP tape on the inside of your lids there moab. I think thats asking for trouble.
You could MP a piece of tyvek over the hole though
If you put your lids upside down it will be easier to open your jars to drop wedges or G2G transfer


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: PNW_Shroomer]
    #23819649 - 11/10/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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ComebackKid said:
Or order some synthetic filter disks to fit under your plastic lids. SFDs are like 99.97% effective against contamination.
I've heard of tyvek secured with MP tape being effective as well.
MP tape is the least effective. I'm currently using MP myself while I wait for my SFDs in the mail. If you're going to use MP as a last resort I suggest 2 or 3 layers and colonize in your SAB



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Takes some precision, patience, and a larger hole, but it can de done. I have done it a few times. To say it is not right in any way is a bit closed-minded. I am not saying I do it all the time, or that it is the correct way to do it. In fact, I don't really care too much for grain-to-grain, but it can be done.



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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23820097 - 11/10/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Melchizedech said:

The metal ones rust, are 2 pieces,



I use 1 piece regular food jars. Stainless steel lids are available, you can also paint cut edges or silicone them up while attaching your filters or doing SHIPs.


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Moabfighter said:
I've always heard skip the SHIP.



many say SHIPs will lead to contams as it could push them in. The people who say this then usually have no reply at all when told the simple solution -put foil on the jars to cover the SHIP and do not remove until injection time. I usually use cheap sandwich bags, which are not heat rated, they just shrink and cling to the jar. In other cases people are just purely self centered and refuse to even acknowledge that it could suit somebody elses setup & situation.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23820183 - 11/10/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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crackbaby said:
1/2 inch hole in the center stuffed tight with polyfill has worked good for me, and they usually last 3-4 times before getting really rusty (the rusty ones work too, but i usually replace them at this point since they're so cheap).  For g2g i have the lids on rubber side up and secured to the bands with 3 pieces of evenly spaced masking tape.  Usually i do 20 jars at a time (from 2 master jars), so i loosen up all 20 lids (with the aluminum foil cover still on) prior to doing the transfer, so it's really quick to just pop off the pre-loosened lid (after removing the foil, of course) and dump in the colonized grain




Hm. And no holes at all in your jars eh? It works fine for GE?




all the jars have 1/2 inch hole drilled in the center, stuffed with polyfill, lid facing rubber side up


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: blackout]
    #23820234 - 11/10/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the usual reply is why even bother when cracking the lids is so much faster and easier and is something you wanna learn for working with agar anyway.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: spacechildo]
    #23820264 - 11/10/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
the usual reply is why even bother when cracking the lids is so much faster and easier and is something you wanna learn for working with agar anyway.



Yep, that one is trotted out a lot, yet another reply often with no consideration/acceptance of what might be faster and easier for others.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: blackout]
    #23820308 - 11/10/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

when I say easier I mean less work higher success rate. Not how to cut as many corners as possible and still "get mushrooms".


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: spacechildo]
    #23820327 - 11/10/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
when I say easier I mean less work higher success rate. Not how to cut as many corners as possible and still "get mushrooms".



that could be said by people who favour either technique... and they might be correct depending on their own setup, that is what I am getting at.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: blackout]
    #23820471 - 11/10/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:knowwhatnevermind:


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: spacechildo]
    #23820557 - 11/10/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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PNW_Shroomer said:
You should try grain-to-grain transfer through the hole in the top of the lid. Immediately after you drop in the grains, stick some micropore tape over the hole, and you are good! This works much better than opening the whole lid.




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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
    #23821198 - 11/10/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Suppose I was a bit drunk when I wrote that. Well, I think it was something tried long ago, and somehow worked, I guess. No need for making fun of me for that. Haha! I am usually on this site when I am fucked up.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: PNW_Shroomer]
    #23822303 - 11/11/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

please dont!


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