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OfflineMelchizedech
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The perfect Grain Jar Lid
    #23818374 - 11/10/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Let's figure out the perfect jar lid for grain teks.

Plastic, of course.
The metal ones rust, are 2 pieces, their noise is annoying when they bang upon each other. And they are hard to wash.

So then, two holes, one taped with tyvek for air exchange, and one with high temp silicone for inoculation?


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23818392 - 11/10/16 05:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've always heard skip the SHIP.

Also seen lately some people using JUST micropore for the Gas Exchange


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23818398 - 11/10/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The metal ones rust, are 2 pieces, their noise is annoying when they bang upon each other. And they are hard to wash.




ok rusting Ill give you, but what noise are u talking about (because whatever noise it is, is NOT going to be as loud as glass jars banging together) and who washes their lids and bands?  a moist paper towel if it was contaminated is all u need.  if it was clean, i just toss the lid back into the bucket of lids.

i think the best lids are simple.  metal or plastic is preference, but a single hole for GE is as simple as it gets.

edit: wait no... a plastic lid without a hole is simpler.  but I aint never done did that way yet


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23818415 - 11/10/16 05:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Moabfighter said:
I've always heard skip the SHIP.

Also seen lately some people using JUST micropore for the Gas Exchange




What does skip the SHIP mean?
And micropore = tyvek sheet?


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23818419 - 11/10/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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blindingleaf said:
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The metal ones rust, are 2 pieces, their noise is annoying when they bang upon each other. And they are hard to wash.




ok rusting Ill give you, but what noise are u talking about (because whatever noise it is, is NOT going to be as loud as glass jars banging together) and who washes their lids and bands?  a moist paper towel if it was contaminated is all u need.  if it was clean, i just toss the lid back into the bucket of lids.

i think the best lids are simple.  metal or plastic is preference, but a single hole for GE is as simple as it gets.

edit: wait no... a plastic lid without a hole is simpler.  but I aint never done did that way yet




The noise was kind of a joke.

I have plastic lid with no holes. And I was concerned, for GE.

There is condensation, and the plug spawn seem to be receding, not growing.
Only been 24h, so I'm not stressed yet.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23818444 - 11/10/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Best is hard to described. Its all about how you are kocking up jar. For the longest time i used a ship and silicone with tyvek but dam you have to wait a hole day for it to cure. Its still a good lid design but i have filter failure about 20% on second use after pc cycles i switched to polfil and ships for two months with good results. On the other hand if your not injecting lc, li, spores into your jar then screw ships. Metal lids upside down with one polyfil hole works in a hurry for any pouring or g2g. Im sure the next person will say a silcone glued on sfd is best lid which is true with unlimited resources and time on your hands


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23818445 - 11/10/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

lack of or absence of GE will usually cause stalling.  I've never seen myc recede really unless its being over come by bacteria but at that point, it should have been tossed.

plug spawn has no nutrients to draw from so it can be a bit slow depending on how u inoculated it and how moist/large the actual plugs are.

ewith no hole plastic lids u gotta turn it a quarter turn or something unless ur shaking it.  lookup pastywhyte he has a writeup


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23818456 - 11/10/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen this small thing mentioned on occasion.

Turn the metal lids upside down if I'm going to use the jar for G2G? Just the masters, or all of them?


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23818469 - 11/10/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I recommend using plastic lids, or metal lids. I don't think it matters. The metal lids, though, tend to get rusty, which is just annoying more than anything else. I fit with micropore tape for gas exchange, and sealed with high a temperature gasket sealer, for a makeshift self-healing injection point. I think poly filter discs work well, too, but micropore tape is just better to me. Washing the lids, and such, I just throw them in the dishwasher with the jars. No big deal.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23818473 - 11/10/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys.

I stick to G2G.

Does Tyvek actually allow GE?


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23818479 - 11/10/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hum.

So,

1. Plastic Lid.
2- Drill central hole.
3- Micropore tape or tyvek patch?


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23818488 - 11/10/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, it does. With that in mind, just stick to one whole for gas exchange on the lid, cover with either micropore tape, or put some tyvek below the lid, and it is perfect. Good luck!


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: PNW_Shroomer]
    #23818494 - 11/10/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You should try grain-to-grain transfer through the hole in the top of the lid. Immediately after you drop in the grains, stick some micropore tape over the hole, and you are good! This works much better than opening the whole lid.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: PNW_Shroomer] * 1
    #23818498 - 11/10/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

PNW_Shroomer said:
You should try grain-to-grain transfer through the hole in the top of the lid. Immediately after you drop in the grains, stick some micropore tape over the hole, and you are good! This works much better than opening the whole lid.





I don't think this is correct in any way.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: PNW_Shroomer]
    #23818505 - 11/10/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pasty just loosens the plastic lids a little for ge


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Melchizedech]
    #23818509 - 11/10/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Or order some synthetic filter disks to fit under your plastic lids. SFDs are like 99.97% effective against contamination.
I've heard of tyvek secured with MP tape being effective as well.
MP tape is the least effective. I'm currently using MP myself while I wait for my SFDs in the mail. If you're going to use MP as a last resort I suggest 2 or 3 layers and colonize in your SAB


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23818513 - 11/10/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

May be interesting for someone:
Some tips about lids (rusty lids, sharp-edged lids, drilling holes...)

I never used plastic lids on glass jars because I did not found PP plastic lids that fit on the European twist off jars.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23818533 - 11/10/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Takes some precision, patience, and a larger hole, but it can de done. I have done it a few times. To say it is not right in any way is a bit closed-minded. I am not saying I do it all the time, or that it is the correct way to do it. In fact, I don't really care too much for grain-to-grain, but it can be done.


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: PNW_Shroomer]
    #23818565 - 11/10/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The perfect lid is the one that works. . .


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Re: The perfect Grain Jar Lid [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23818571 - 11/10/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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