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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23820242 - 11/10/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ya I like landscaping work personally. It's not particularly hard and I generally make out pretty good. But the market here is so overstatuated by Mexicans that have there own operations it would be hard to start your own little operation.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #23820269 - 11/10/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Fed should stop spending money like a college girl with daddy's credit card for starters.

Illegal mexican immigrants are basically refugees. Make it easier for them to work under the law, for minimum wage (competitive wage) and fine the shit out of anyone that abusises what below min wage loop holes exist on the first offense, dismantle their business on the 2nd.


Outsourcing is a huge problem. You inevitably lose money when you have more goods coming in than going out. It speaks volumes that our largest industries are service and healthcare.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23820413 - 11/10/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Fed should stop spending money like a college girl with daddy's credit card for starters.

Illegal mexican immigrants are basically refugees. Make it easier for them to work under the law, for minimum wage (competitive wage) and fine the shit out of anyone that abusises what below min wage loop holes exist on the first offense, dismantle their business on the 2nd.


Outsourcing is a huge problem. You inevitably lose money when you have more goods coming in than going out. It speaks volumes that our largest industries are service and healthcare.




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Re: Electoral college [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 2
    #23820703 - 11/10/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Because we are a union of states and the electoral vote evens out the power between the states.

It's a far better system than the popular vote... so stop whining.




I agree. Otherwise the most populous states would be controlling all the rest of us. Koods only wants the EC abolished because it would disproportionately affect rural white voters. :razz:


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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
    #23820746 - 11/10/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The entire country is ignored except for Battleground states in the EC system. How is that better? How does the electoral college benefit Alaska? There probably hasn't been a general election campaign rally in Alaska in the last 50 years.

You cannot design a system that gets everyone some attention. This is re age of instant communication and national news networks. We don't need to force candidates to visit places. Trying to manipulate where campaigning occurs using a contrived voting system is dumb, and considering that the second place finisher has won two elections in the past 16 years override, it is fundamentally unfair.

This is a representative democracy and the president represents all the people in the entire country, and he should be elected by the people not electoral voters were some state's citizens have more influence than elsewhere.






The United States is not a Democracy, it is a Republic. And our founders designed it that way on purpose to ensure that one region of the country could not lead a president to victory.  Alaska didn't have more of a voice than usual, (this time around). But your missing the point; Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin have been blue states for 2 and a half decades and received little attention from Hillary; meanwhile the GOP hit those states hard and pulled out a win.  Those states were pivotal to Trumps victory yet the democrats didn't perceive them as "Battleground States".

Sorry to quote Wiki but"
"The swing states of Ohio, Connecticut, Indiana, New Jersey and New York were key to the outcome of the 1888 election. Likewise, Illinois and Texas were key to the outcome of the 1960 election. Florida and New Hampshire were key to the 2000 election. Ohio was the key to the 2004 election."

So I don't agree with your Battleground State reference because you act like they aren't always changing.  Trump made PA, MI, and WI battleground states this year,  he defined that in his campaign while Hillary was asleep at the wheel. 

The system was designed deliberately, and this year it worked precisely how the founders intended..


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Capers]
    #23820802 - 11/10/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Because we are a union of states and the electoral vote evens out the power between the states.

It's a far better system than the popular vote... so stop whining.




I agree. Otherwise the most populous states would be controlling all the rest of us. Koods only wants the EC abolished because it would disproportionately affect rural white voters. :razz:




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Re: Electoral college [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23820876 - 11/10/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



As you can see from maps like these it's possible to drive across the whole country without driving through a single county that supported clinton.

Why should all those red counties across the country have to have a Hillary as their president because one of those little pinpricks in California thinks so?

If you think about it in terms of geographical region rather than "individual person" than it makes a lot of sense.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Dawks] * 2
    #23820971 - 11/10/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed. We'd have some worthless Democrat every election cycle. Might as well just abolish the Republican party and just let them have it.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #23821124 - 11/10/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the dems only prerogative is aiding irresponsible people and adding to hyper inflation

if everyone got food stamps, free education and welfare then I wouldn't say shit but that's how it goes
they squash out small business with taxes and expect them to pay workers when it's not in the owners best interest
while completely ignoring the banks, wall street and real estate people that bleed the country dry as well as the civil servants that buy a new luxury car every year


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Dawks] * 1
    #23822472 - 11/11/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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As you can see from maps like these it's possible to drive across the whole country without driving through a single county that supported clinton.

Why should all those red counties across the country have to have a Hillary as their president because one of those little pinpricks in California thinks so?

If you think about it in terms of geographical region rather than "individual person" than it makes a lot of sense.




How does that make more sense? Smalls areas are represented in congress. States are represented in the senate and the president represents the entire country. Why should a person in the middle of nowhere get more say than someone in a city.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23822496 - 11/11/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Because we are a union of states and the electoral vote evens out the power between the states.

It's a far better system than the popular vote... so stop whining.




I agree. Otherwise the most populous states would be controlling all the rest of us. Koods only wants the EC abolished because it would disproportionately affect rural white voters. :razz:




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Why does it matter what state you live in when voting for president? Everyone should get a vote and have that vote count equally.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
    #23822499 - 11/11/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23822500 - 11/11/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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In a true democracy an electoral college shouldn't even exist. It should be the voice of the popular vote and that's it.




in a true democracy the nation fails


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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods] * 1
    #23822504 - 11/11/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why does it matter what state you live in when voting for president? Everyone should get a vote and have that vote count equally.




Your vote does count equally... for your states electors.

I'll repeat what I said in another thread... waaahhhh!


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23822508 - 11/11/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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In a true democracy an electoral college shouldn't even exist. It should be the voice of the popular vote and that's it.




Here's some news for you. We are not a true democracy. We are a republic.

How could you grow to adulthood and not be aware of that simple fact?


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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods] * 1
    #23822515 - 11/11/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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that;s lovely but it doesnt change a thing

join hillary in the crying room


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23822521 - 11/11/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

He could get a job in her 'administration in exile'. Chief Tissue Carrier and Disposer.

Besides, if he's with her in exile that will spare the rest of us from his moronic statements.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
    #23823187 - 11/11/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Dawks said:

As you can see from maps like these it's possible to drive across the whole country without driving through a single county that supported clinton.

Why should all those red counties across the country have to have a Hillary as their president because one of those little pinpricks in California thinks so?

If you think about it in terms of geographical region rather than "individual person" than it makes a lot of sense.




How does that make more sense? Smalls areas are represented in congress. States are represented in the senate and the president represents the entire country. Why should a person in the middle of nowhere get more say than someone in a city.




The map doesn't mean as much as it seems but, koods, we have interest groups and lobbyists for the same reason we have a house and a senate. Laws that favor primarily cities may not favor those in rural areas and vice versa. It is set up this way in attempted fairness, an attempt to do what will never happen and what liberalism is founded on, an attempt to please everyone.

As a liberal you must admit it seems hypocritical to say minorities should be supported and then say that the president should be chosen in the interest of the majority.


Does the president represent the population or does he represent the nation in its geographical entirety?

I think it should be both. I think the individual popular vote should get electoral votes itself. It could possibly be the only plausible balance in situations like this.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23823213 - 11/11/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the electorals represented their districts in a time when communication was impossible

today those states are represented by the people that did go out and vote
that's why everyones bitching


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Re: Electoral college [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23823239 - 11/11/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
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Dawks said:

As you can see from maps like these it's possible to drive across the whole country without driving through a single county that supported clinton.

Why should all those red counties across the country have to have a Hillary as their president because one of those little pinpricks in California thinks so?

If you think about it in terms of geographical region rather than "individual person" than it makes a lot of sense.




How does that make more sense? Smalls areas are represented in congress. States are represented in the senate and the president represents the entire country. Why should a person in the middle of nowhere get more say than someone in a city.




The map doesn't mean as much as it seems but, koods, we have interest groups and lobbyists for the same reason we have a house and a senate. Laws that favor primarily cities may not favor those in rural areas and vice versa. It is set up this way in attempted fairness, an attempt to do what will never happen and what liberalism is founded on, an attempt to please everyone.

As a liberal you must admit it seems hypocritical to say minorities should be supported and then say that the president should be chosen in the interest of the majority.


Does the president represent the population or does he represent the nation in its geographical entirety?

I think it should be both. I think the individual popular vote should get electoral votes itself. It could possibly be the only plausible balance in situations like this.



Geographical entity? What the hell does that even mean? You are literally advocating a system where your vote for president is weighted depending on how many people live in your state. It has nothing to do with being rural or in a city. California has some of the most desolate parts of the country. The District of Columbia is entirely urban. Why does a DC voter get three times as much say in the election as a guy on a ranch in California. It is a completely absurd system.

Being concerned about the minority doesn't mean the minority should get to elect the president. :facepalm:

If you weren't so used to the system you would think it's absolutely bizarre that someone who receives fewer votes could win an election. To rational people that kind of thing is what they call an illegitimate election.


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