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Re: Electoral college [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23818740 - 11/10/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Also I think a really good way to make most people happy is to have way less power. Its hard to make them accountable for anything, to understand much of what they're doing, because of their size alone. They're signing in hundreds of bills every year and managing millions of different things at once and any internal changes or internal investigations effect millions of people. And who even investigations them? Their own bureaus. I think local police forces show us the glaring problems in not having an external enforcer.


Besides all that, our forefathers would gape at the massive overstepping of bounds the federal government has come to regularly commit. Our nation was never intended to be managed at a national level, the federal government was mostly just meant to hold state governments accountable and to make sure that when there was enough people nationwide that weren't being listened to they would have a voice at Washington.

Instead we're seeing much the opposite. The fed determines most of the laws for the country. And sometimes this is fair. It does what it is supposed to in allowing gay marriage and fair employment and housing and all that. But the way it micromanages agriculture, foods and drugs, and... Something else I totally just forgot (its early n I'm fucking hungry) and state funding has the states completely dependent on the federal government to dictate laws and, in the case of most states, enable them to do what they need to for their own people.

If you look at the last 150 years you can see how much power got shelfed over to the fed after the civil war. I think it was intentional in order to keep states subservient and to prevent them from truly believing they are a governing body in and of themselves.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23819982 - 11/10/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I was thinking the same thing, 40-50% tax, you must be in the highest tax bracket. Even people making $415,050 per year get a 40% tax.




Nah I'm poor. But it's about a 1/3rd. Last time I did the math. Then you have a 10% sales tax for anything you buy. I believe it's 21% for alcohol. That was the first thing that hit me when I got back to Washington. Why was that so much more expensive. Tax. Ah shit that's right. :lol:

Sales tax sucks I used to use my ID from Alaska on purchases over 100$ until I lost it. Sales tax is a bitch.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23820021 - 11/10/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I was thinking the same thing, 40-50% tax, you must be in the highest tax bracket. Even people making $415,050 per year get a 40% tax.




Nah I'm poor. But it's about a 1/3rd. Last time I did the math. Then you have a 10% sales tax for anything you buy. I believe it's 21% for alcohol. That was the first thing that hit me when I got back to Washington. Why was that so much more expensive. Tax. Ah shit that's right. :lol:

Sales tax sucks I used to use my ID from Alaska on purchases over 100$ until I lost it. Sales tax is a bitch.




Yeah taxes are too damn high for middle-class or lower-middle class people. I remember my last job I was making just around $50,000. But after all taxes were taken out, and after 401K and health insurance costs were automatically deducted from my paycheck each month, I only ended up with like $1,000 bi-weekly. Something like $960 or something every 2 weeks.

It's such a joke when you're supposed to be making $50K a year, which by the way is the national household average salary (and that's for a THREE-PERSON household), and you can't even afford your own place so you're still renting rooms. :bored: Really makes you wonder just how the average American manages to scrape by.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23820027 - 11/10/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

50k? You should definitely be paying more in taxes :psycrankey:


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Re: Electoral college [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23820039 - 11/10/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Social programs mostly. It is impossible to live on your own. The mandatory minimum needs a serious discussion on what needs to be done. You should be able to live comfortably on 2 peoples salary.

When I was living in Seattle I was paying 600$ a month to rent a 10x10 square. Which was about a little under half of my income in somebody else's house. Add in food and the price of busses in Seattle. I finally moved back to a more rural area as they raised the price of busses from 2.75 to 3.50 ouch.

Fuck this I can't afford to do anything fun anyway. So I try to make it up for there for a weekend once every month or 2.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23820052 - 11/10/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Edit, Wrong thread, so out of context.


Edited by PatrickKn (11/10/16 03:45 PM)


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Re: Electoral college [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23820053 - 11/10/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Most people severely underestimate how bad inflation has gotten. I'm working at the same company my mom did and she said "when I started I was making 10k less than you" in like 1992... Money has devalued by almost half and prices in many commodities have almost doubled since then so like I'm still making less than she did as a middle class worker at the same business.

And she's always suggesting I just go out and buy a laptop or a new car or a fucking house. :facepalm: She thinks I can afford these things just cuz I don't have kids. ...ime older people don't get it at all. Alot of younger people don't either.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23820058 - 11/10/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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50k? You should definitely be paying more in taxes :psycrankey:




After 401K and health insurance costs were deducted from my paycheck, I ended up with less than 50% of that money. :feelsbadman:


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When I was living in Seattle I was paying 600$ a month to rent a 10x10 square. Which was about a little under half of my income in somebody else's house. Add in food and the price of busses in Seattle. I finally moved back to a more rural area as they raised the price of busses from 2.75 to 3.50 ouch.




That's actually cheap for Seattle. I wasn't even aware you could find rooms for rent under $900. Considering apartments there are like what, $3K a month or so.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: ohcrapitsnico] * 1
    #23820059 - 11/10/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That's what the senate is for. We are the only country that elects the loser as president.



NIIIIICOOOOOO. Oh nicoooo. Have you heard the news? Trump won the popular vote


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Re: Electoral college [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23820075 - 11/10/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yea inflation is out of hand. But what do you do about it? If wages goes up everything's just going to go up accordingly and we're all going to be just as broke.

:lol: I haven't owned a car in 4 years. Buy a house wouldn't that be nice.

It wasn't in Seattle but in one of the suburbs. I wasnt living in downtown but it was about a 30 minute bus ride to get there.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23820101 - 11/10/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Put blame where blame is due, wages started to stagnate when we were flooded with cheap labor, anyone who thinks that is a coincidence is retarded





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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23820106 - 11/10/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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50k? You should definitely be paying more in taxes :psycrankey:




After 401K and health insurance costs were deducted from my paycheck, I ended up with less than 50% of that money. :feelsbadman:






Just think of how much you would have if taxes were lowered

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Re: Electoral college [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23820117 - 11/10/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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hostileuniverse said:
50k? You should definitely be paying more in taxes :psycrankey:




After 401K and health insurance costs were deducted from my paycheck, I ended up with less than 50% of that money. :feelsbadman:






Just think of how much you would have if taxes were lowered

***we are on the same side




I've always said tax is too high for the middle class. I mean I don't mind a small percentage of my pay going towards taxes to help sustain and build society, but when you end up with only half your income and aren't making enough to even rent your own apartment, that is too much.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23820118 - 11/10/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Put blame where blame is due, wages started to stagnate when we were flooded with cheap labor, anyone who thinks that is a coincidence is retarded





***facts aren't racist




Ya last year 2 of the cannery plants got raided. 300 illegals working for then making 40% of minimum wage. In a town that has high unemployment 300 legal workers got jobs.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23820122 - 11/10/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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Crystal G said:
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hostileuniverse said:
50k? You should definitely be paying more in taxes :psycrankey:




After 401K and health insurance costs were deducted from my paycheck, I ended up with less than 50% of that money. :feelsbadman:






Just think of how much you would have if taxes were lowered

***we are on the same side




I've always said tax is too high for the middle class.




And the rich aren't people making making 100k, right?

***fingers crossed


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23820125 - 11/10/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
Put blame where blame is due, wages started to stagnate when we were flooded with cheap labor, anyone who thinks that is a coincidence is retarded





***facts aren't racist




Ya last year 2 of the cannery plants got raided. 300 illegals working for then making 40% of minimum wage. In a town that has high unemployment 300 legal workers got jobs.




Bam!

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Re: Electoral college [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23820128 - 11/10/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And the rich aren't people making making 100k, right?

***fingers crossed




No. They're upper-middle class, but if you account for inflation $100,000 is really the equivalent of what "middle class" was in the 1950's.

The 1% starts somewhere around $350,000.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23820141 - 11/10/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm a lot more non-partisan than you think. I believe taxes are too high for a lot of people. That mass immigration has lead to lower standards of living for Americans. That America should strictly limit the number of refugees they accept. Still wouldn't vote for Trump.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23820161 - 11/10/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

As we have a large population of Mexicans. Good luck getting any sort of landscaping work. Mexicans keep all our yards nice. I don't think I've honestly seen a white person mow there own lawn. :lol:.

They also drive the price of mushrooms down. As during the fall I go and pick Chantrelles during the fall. Can make a solid 60-100 for 4 hours walking around the wood. At the beginning of the season. Than the Mexicans start bringing in 1000's of pounds a day so it goes from 4-5 bucks a pound to under a dollar which really makes it not worth it.

It is great for about a month though. Dudes set up at the scummy hotels and buy them. Think they ship them to Oregon or whatever.


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"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23820212 - 11/10/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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As we have a large population of Mexicans. Good luck getting any sort of landscaping work. Mexicans keep all our yards nice. I don't think I've honestly seen a white person mow there own lawn. :lol:.




Lots of white Americans would do landscaping work. Landscaping actually pays pretty decently well, plus a lot of guys enjoy gardening.

Spending all day picking strawberries on the other hand for $5 an hour though, probably not.


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