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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
    #23818457 - 11/10/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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It's not high when you consider ALL the taxes people pay,




It IS still high. Those figures I just gave are including federal tax, state tax, local tax, and FICA.

It's not so high it's not doable, but it's a high income especially considering Enjoywho's age, it means he's probably making 6 figures or more at only 23.




And what's wrong with that? I've never understood why people making a good living is so frowned upon that they need lose half their earnings right off the top

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We won. Trump is an accident.

You should feel proud of Accident-Elect Trump, he did better than both Johnson and Stein.




Keep telling yourself that, but don't worry, Trump will make America great for you as well.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23818459 - 11/10/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Except he lives in a state with no income taxes, so it's really hard to see how he gets to 50% even if he were making millions.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23818463 - 11/10/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And what's wrong with that? I've never understood why people making a good living is so frowned upon that they need lose half their earnings right off the top




Jesus fucking Christ :facepalm:

Why do you ALWAYS ASSUME I'm saying something negative whenever I say any sentence? Somehow you ALWAYS TWIST IT into me criticizing or complaining about something.

I could say anything like "Mexico won the gold in Olympic fencing," and somehow you'll be like, "Why are you insinuating that the USA sucks, why are you so anti American" or some shit.

WHY? WHY DO YOU DO THAT.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23818475 - 11/10/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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yah, but fed income tax is always there, even when some states have no income tax.




And even when they don't, they still have local taxes,

***plus all the "other" federal taxes the federal govt imposes




I don't think there are many paces where there are local income taxes in states without state income tax, usually the taxes are combined into one number

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And what's wrong with that? I've never understood why people making a good living is so frowned upon that they need lose half their earnings right off the top




Jesus fucking Christ :facepalm:

Why do you ALWAYS ASSUME I'm saying something negative whenever I say any sentence? It could be anything like "Mexico won the gold in Olympic fencing," and somehow you ALWAYS TWIST IT into me criticizing or complaining about something.

WHY? WHY DO YOU DO THAT.




Lol his premise. He thinks taxes are a punishment for making money. And nobody in this country is losing half their income to taxes unless they are a millionaire and even then I'm a little skeptical.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23818481 - 11/10/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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In a true democracy an electoral college shouldn't even exist. It should be the voice of the popular vote and that's it.




Do you not know we are a republic? This is as it should be.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23818486 - 11/10/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Am I the only one that paid attention in us government.




It would seem you're among the few who did.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods] * 3
    #23818492 - 11/10/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Enjoywho, why the fuck should Alaska get more influence than its population deserves?




Because we are a union of states and the electoral vote evens out the power between the states.

It's a far better system than the popular vote... so stop whining.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
    #23818500 - 11/10/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just think about this:

The democrats got more total votes in house races

The democrats got more total votes in senate races

The democrats got more total votes in the presidential race

Yet the republicans have control of everything.




Because we are a union of states and there were more states voting Trump. Someday you'll get it. Perhaps you'll have the class to feel foolish about it.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
    #23818506 - 11/10/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jesus Christ, have you ever taken a civics course.




It seems he paid far more attention than you did.


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This a representitve democracy.




No. It's a Republic. We are not and never have been a democracy.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23818511 - 11/10/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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In Australia they made voting mandatory among all citizens. Maybe the USA should try something similar.




:lmafo:

You really want a bunch of uninterested, uneducated (about politics) people being forced to cast a vote for something/someone they know little about and care even less about?

That's some funny shit.

While we're at it, lets force people to do public service. Hell, let's bring back the draft.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23818512 - 11/10/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
In a true democracy an electoral college shouldn't even exist. It should be the voice of the popular vote and that's it.




Do you not know we are a republic? This is as it should be.




Technically it's a democratic republic.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23818517 - 11/10/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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:lmafo:

You really want a bunch of uninterested, uneducated (about politics) people being forced to cast a vote for something/someone they know little about and care even less about?

That's some funny shit.

While we're at it, lets force people to do public service. Hell, let's bring back the draft.




And yet somehow, quite many countries have mandatory voting (Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Argentina, Singapore, Luxembourg, etc.), and they seem to manage just fine.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23818526 - 11/10/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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Crystal G said:
In a true democracy an electoral college shouldn't even exist. It should be the voice of the popular vote and that's it.




Do you not know we are a republic? This is as it should be.




Technically it's a democratic republic.




A rose by any other name...

It's still a republic and not a democracy.

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AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
QUOTATION: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

  “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

  McHenry’s notes were first published in The American Historical Review, vol. 11, 1906, and the anecdote on p. 618 reads: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.” When McHenry’s notes were included in The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, ed. Max Farrand, vol. 3, appendix A, p. 85 (1911, reprinted 1934), a footnote stated that the date this anecdote was written is uncertain.
SUBJECTS: Republic
WORKS: Benjamin Franklin Collection




A republic protects the minority. A democracy, as has been pointed out many times over the years, is two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23818534 - 11/10/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And yet somehow, quite many countries have mandatory voting (Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Argentina, Singapore, Luxembourg, etc.), and they seem to manage just fine.




So what? It's still forcing those who don't know/don't care to do something they have no wish to do.

What else do you want to force people to do?


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Re: Electoral college [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23818554 - 11/10/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
And yet somehow, quite many countries have mandatory voting (Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Argentina, Singapore, Luxembourg, etc.), and they seem to manage just fine.




So what? It's still forcing those who don't know/don't care to do something they have no wish to do.

What else do you want to force people to do?




They aren't required to vote, they are allowed to cast a blank vote or fill in Tweety Bird or whatever. They are allowed to forgo their vote or choose not to vote at all. They are simply required to show up to the polling booth place. I'm guessing somebody who is truly that apathetic won't cast a vote or will probably cast a joke vote for Harambe.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23818560 - 11/10/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They are forced to show up and cast a ballot or be fined.

What else do you want to force people to do?

I get it. Your candidate lost and it chaps your ass.

The electoral vote is still the right choice for a union of states.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23818568 - 11/10/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They are forced to show up and cast a ballot or be fined.

What else do you want to force people to do?




No. They aren't. If you read how it works in Australia, they are only required to show up to the polling station. They are not required to cast any ballot.

Not only that, but you can claim any number of excuses for not showing up to the polling booth place. You can claim that you were sick for instance, and the government doesn't ask you for a doctor's note or any proof that you were sick. And by doing this, you also don't have to pay for the fine.

You can even claim that you forgot it was voting day, and that is a completely excusable reason to not pay the fine. People who TRULY don't give a shit at all wouldn't go and just claim they were sick or working or out of town or something.

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Actually, the voting part of "mandatory voting" is a misnomer. All Australian citizens over the age of 18 must register and show up at a polling station, but they need not actually vote. They can deface their ballot or write in Skippy the Bush Kangaroo (Australia's version of Lassie)—or do nothing at all.

What happens if you don't show up on Election Day? You'll receive a fairly polite form letter (see example here). At this point, you can settle the matter by paying a $15 fine or offering any number of excuses, including illness (no note from your doctor required), travel, religious objections, or just plain forgetfulness. For most people, the matter ends here. In most elections, about a half-million registered voters don't come to the polls. Ninety-five percent of them offer a valid excuse, and the matter ends there. Five percent pay a fine.




http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_best_policy/2004/10/you_must_vote_its_the_law.html


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23818577 - 11/10/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps if it was something people were forced to do, people would take politics a lot more seriously.

Think about it. People used to be far more serious about political issues back when the draft was mandatory, because politics literally and directly affected their everyday lives. Because of that, people were incentivized and motivated to be politically involved.

One could actually argue that the real reason for all this apathy and ignorance in this nation is largely because everything in today's world is pretty much elective.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
    #23818582 - 11/10/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You can define it as you wish.

People are forced to show up and take an action. They are fined if they don't.

What else do you want to force people to do?


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Re: Electoral college [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23818646 - 11/10/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'd be happier with a third of my salary going to taxes, I would be happy, if the government didn't spend money so frivolously on so much stupid shit.


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