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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods] 1
#23818277 - 11/10/16 03:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Well, that system means smaller states cannot represent their totals as accurately as large states.
Why is everyone tribe to come up with a way to make this fair? It is inherently flawed. The popular vote however, is pure. It's just counting. And I still don't get why Alaska voters should get to have their votes worth more than a California in the presidential race. You already have small states getting the same number of senators as large ones - that is your undeserved excess influence.
Ya I was just reading through what you've said. I agree. I don't think it's undeserved by any means. What's undeserved is large cities being able to tell smaller areas where they get all the resources they consume what they can and can't do.
Ive lived in quite a few states and city and rural atmospheres. There all different. I knew Alaska was was insta lock Republican. You work for what you have and eat what you can kill. But we were far more progressive on pot 10 years before cali couldn't make it legal.
Those rural areas have different views and it's frustrating when your being taxed heavily to support the big cities.
That's the frustration the rural worker feels. Especially middle class older people. I've worked my ass off for my entire life and I have to pay 40% to the government to support yuppie city kids who think work is sitting on a computer?
That is why trump won. Even if we went off pop vote it was a miniscule 200k votes. There are a lot of pissed off people in rural areas and the rust belt. It has nothing to do with hate or any of that. Where is the security that you work hard you can keep what you've earned?
I get it.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
#23818281 - 11/10/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Again, the EC does absolutely nothing to ensure rural influence. Campaigning is always going to focus on population centers regardless. Becasue of the EC, Clinton and Trump spent half their time in Philly, Orlando area and Raleigh.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
#23818290 - 11/10/16 03:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: You have one assigned polling location. You can't just vote anywhere ypu want.
Have you voted before 
What I mean is, what if you just show up to a different polling booth? What happens if you try to do this? Would anybody catch you?
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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
#23818297 - 11/10/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You won't be on the list
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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods] 2
#23818299 - 11/10/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah trump spent his time in the rural parts of the state. Hillary took votes in the predominately democratic areas for granted. Trump flipped 6 states. She underperformed.
Maybe it is as they're saying. Women can be anything but president. 42% of women still voted for trump. 36% of Latinos. Only time will tell right now.
I do have a lot of good friends from various countries around the world. Asian and Africa. They're all americanized. But I've sat in fascination as they tell they're cultures beliefs and especially customs. A good Laotian friend of mine has some of my favorites. But essentially the women in those cultures are still property.
They don't agree but that's their culture. Along with a lot of Mexican guys they are very possessive you don't want to be caught casually play flirting with there wives. Different cultures. I do have a lot to think about as my sister is gay and I definitely don't want this to negatively affect the happiness she has found.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
#23818303 - 11/10/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There were clearly things where sexism played a role, especially when it came to international conflicts. Labeling Clinton a crazy war monger for simply being firm with foreign powers would never happen with a man. A man would be called tough.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
#23818324 - 11/10/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly. We can all pretend it doesn't exist. But it clearly does. Especially in foreign policy. We may be progressive that doesn't mean the rest of the world is. Just like we pretend racism doesn't exist.
It does if I see some thug walking towards me I may cross the street. But I'll do that any color of your skin. There is some essential truths to racism as we are tribal by nature. But there are socio economics tied to them that breed that sort of thing. If you look at the division of white/minority lines in every major city they are sectioned by a railroad or a major highway.
If people are starving they will do anything to survive. What's honestly the worst part about it is they turn on eachother. Resulting in gangs.
There's a lot wrong in this country but it's such a melting pot there is no black and white answer. Nobody knows how to deal with it. Cops aren't helping as they kill and are bullies. They harass me and I'm a stand up model white citizen. People want restitution and hold resentment over past things. Cops and the last part of the population hold on to ignorance. What do you do. 320 million people. That's intangible. Especially in such a diverse place. I can go a state over and the culture is different.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
#23818330 - 11/10/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: There were clearly things where sexism played a role, especially when it came to international conflicts. Labeling Clinton a crazy war monger for simply being firm with foreign powers would never happen with a man. A man would be called tough.
That is absolutely true. Or people complained about the fact that Clinton wasn't "likable," because she comes across as bitchy or whatever. She just has a serious face on at all times like Nixon, what's wrong with that?
While sexism might not be the main or sole reason she lost, you can't say that it played absolutely NO factor in it.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
#23818331 - 11/10/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: 42% of women still voted for trump. 36% of Latinos.
That really doesn't surprise me. People always vote against their best interests. Women are the biggest believers of religion, even though religion has arguably been the biggest oppressor of women. Poor people often vote Republican, even though doing so is clearly against their best interests.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
#23818337 - 11/10/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well Alaska was always Republican. Washington made me soft. Spending the summer in Montana another blue collar state woke me up. If you want to work you absolutely can. Always something to build something to do.
Hunting and fishing. Something to kill to eat.
I've been back here in Washington for 3 weeks and got all my socialist programs back. Food stamps, health care, etc etc etc. I had none of that there and it was great.
I pay into the system at about 40-50% in gov and state tax. Why wouldnt I get a small bit of my investment back. Socialism makes me lazy as fuck. Eh I can just subsidize it through the state.
Im honestly not liking the feeling after 3 years there and going back to my roots of hard work it was as if a fog was lifted. What the fuck? Getting more complacent by the day.
If I didn't work I couldn't eat or pay my bills. Spent a night freezing in the dark with no electricity and starving. Fuck shouldn't have been so lazy. Bet your ass I was pouring concrete the next day.
You didn't subsidize food costs with food stamps. You killed for food. We'd go dip netting 100 salmon in the freezer. One year my dad got a moose. Salmon and moose was primarily what we ate. Not only does that feed a family for an entire year you give a lot to family and friends. It feeds the community as well. That was refreshing.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: Enjoywho]
#23818350 - 11/10/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jeeze. You must be making a lot of money to pay that much in tax. And if not that does suck. In canada you wouldnt be taxed that much until you make more than 200,000 and even then its not much more than 40% and it maxes out. Also all income before 200,000 would be charged within the other tax bracket amounts.
Is it not like that in USA?
As for EC, I dont know but it just makes sense to me to use popular vote.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: sh4d0ws]
#23818365 - 11/10/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was thinking the same thing, 40-50% tax, you must be in the highest tax bracket. Even people making $415,050 per year get a 40% tax.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: koods]
#23818380 - 11/10/16 05:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: There were clearly things where sexism played a role, especially when it came to international conflicts. Labeling Clinton a crazy war monger for simply being firm with foreign powers would never happen with a man. A man would be called tough.
Bush was called a warmonger, so was McCain when he ran, your logic is flawed
Not everything is racist or sexist, but to a liberal it is, I can see why you are so frustrated with that thought process
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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
#23818384 - 11/10/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I was thinking the same thing, 40-50% tax, you must be in the highest tax bracket. Even people making $415,050 per year get a 40% tax.
Federal income tax is NOT the only tax paid, pleAse read a book or something
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yah, but fed income tax is always there, even when some states have no income tax.
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LogicaL Chaos said: yah, but fed income tax is always there, even when some states have no income tax.
And even when they don't, they still have local taxes,
***plus all the "other" federal taxes the federal govt imposes
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Crystal G said: I was thinking the same thing, 40-50% tax, you must be in the highest tax bracket. Even people making $415,050 per year get a 40% tax.
Federal income tax is NOT the only tax paid, pleAse read a book or something 
No shit buttface, that's still really high. Even if you're in the highest tax bracket for your state, that still only comes out to 10% or so. California has the highest tax bracket out of any other state, and their top percentile pays 13%.
I mean 40% is more understandable (but even then your income is probably $60,000 to be paying that much), but 50% is quite high.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: Crystal G]
#23818431 - 11/10/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's not high when you consider ALL the taxes people pay,
***and of course democrats promised to raise them even higher, no wonder they lost
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We won. Trump is an accident.
You should feel proud of Accident-Elect Trump, he did better than both Johnson and Stein.
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hostileuniverse said: It's not high when you consider ALL the taxes people pay,
It IS still high. Those figures I just gave are including federal tax, state tax, local tax, and FICA.
It's not so high it's not doable, but it's a high income especially considering Enjoywho's age, it means he's probably making 6 figures or more at only 23.
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