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Positive air glove box idea
    #23817103 - 11/09/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Today I was taking a respirator course.  They listed a bunch of different filters available.  The p100 filtered 99.97% of organic materials.  This is what gave me the idea of the positive air glove box.  I did a search and some people used little CPU fans that looked pretty weak.  I thought if I used a shop vac with a heppa filter as the pre filter and put the hose on the blow function attaching the hose to one of these p100 filters I would theoretically have clean air pumping out of my arm holes in the box.  Let me know if anyone has tried anything similar. Here is a link to the p100 filters for 8 bucks a pair http://www.sylprotec.com/en/north-respirators/3407-north-p100-filter-for-half-full-facepiece-respirators-series-5400-75600-and-7700-niosh-csa-z944-approved-2-units.html?gclid=CJyhq4WAndACFZSFaQodDAwIDw


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Yegab]
    #23817132 - 11/09/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure you could've done a search and foreseen what kind of reaction this post would get you.

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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Inocuole]
    #23817173 - 11/09/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I did do a search like I said.  Nothing else had powerful a powerful enough turbine to move the air.  The shop vac came to mind due to its high volume low pressure and the addition that it uses a filter itself.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Yegab]
    #23817181 - 11/09/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

there was literally a post this week talking about using a shop vac


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Yegab]
    #23817195 - 11/09/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok my bad that never showed in my searches.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23817227 - 11/09/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/8433/The-9er-Tek this box is the best thing in the concept. No one uses it but the design works about the same success as a still air box


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: tump]
    #23817251 - 11/09/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks tump for taking the time to help!


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Yegab] * 2
    #23817264 - 11/09/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You got the help of a guy who claims he has a government grant to grow psychedelic mushrooms but he doesn't know shit from shit.  :shrug:

This is the only box you need:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771

The second you're putting stuff like CPU fans into the equation, you're becoming more fascinated with the idea of a fancy box than you are interested in the science of doing clean work.  If you are new to growing or doing sterile work then I would advise starting with what works before trying anything else.  Your findings will ultimately be meaningless until you have repeatable success to compare them with.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Yegab]
    #23817266 - 11/09/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Experimenting and trying new things is one of the fun things about mushroom cultivation, but SAB design shouldn't be one of them.  Two arm holes in a plastic box....it's stupid simple I know.  That is one of the reasons why it's so effective.  It has one job of providing a still air environment, and it does that job pretty well.  I put a leveling bubble on the bottom of my SAB for pouring level agar dishes (got my arm holes on the lid side), and that's about as modded as I got.  That and a rainbow sticker on it too.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: tump]
    #23817288 - 11/09/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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https://www.shroomery.org/8433/The-9er-Tek this box is the best thing in the concept. No one uses it but the design works about the same success as a still air box



Do you have proof it works about the same as a still air box? Fuckin annoying how often you provide false, half thought out info


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Mad Season]
    #23817302 - 11/09/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously, I sometimes wish it were bannable.  I realize the slippery slope that would follow, so I'm glad it's not.  But why can't you just like, not say unsubstantiated shit?


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Inocuole]
    #23817311 - 11/09/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

He gets another albino for that shit.
Another noob set up for failure...

OP, just use a SAB.
It's a box with two holes and that's it.
This isn't rocket science.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Greg]
    #23817318 - 11/09/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

SAB for the win op.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Kenetic]
    #23817383 - 11/09/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys I do use my still air box.  It really is as simple as it gets I just worry too much I guess.  I used  4" plumbing fittings on mine for the arm holes so I can cap them when I am waiting for the alchohol to do it's thing.  Your probably right about keeping it simple.  Thanks for the positive replies.[


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Yegab] * 1
    #23817395 - 11/09/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

4 inches sounds pretty small o.0 I recommend minimum 6 in my tek, and tbh that's even too small for my liking. The bigger the arm holes the less piston effect.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Mad Season]
    #23817420 - 11/09/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah it is abit too small maybe I will refit some 6" holes.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Yegab] * 1
    #23817429 - 11/09/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That'll probably help more than any other modifications other than a bigger box.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Greg] * 1
    #23817435 - 11/09/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: AllDay420]
    #23817488 - 11/09/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The only mod that can make a differance is putting a good HEPA room air purifyier in the room you use your SAB in. Well ok maybe using your SAB in a small still air room filtered by that HEPA filter. That's right, you can use plastic to build a "tent" or room around your SAB work area to reduce air currents even more. HEPA air filter MUST be turned OFF prior to SAB use so not to create air currents and defeat the still air purpose.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: TheMadHatter420] * 2
    #23817555 - 11/09/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And how does that make a difference?  If the air is still it's still.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Inocuole]
    #23817579 - 11/09/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The still air room is extra protection from slight air currents, like those that can come in around a window. Its just extra protection. Some of us may use a closet, some will use plastic sheeting. Years ago I had 36 quarts that needed knocked up. I used just a still air room to do it, basically was a plastic sheet tent 2 ft by 2 ft. Which I DO NOT recommend as a proper tek, but I did it. Just moved really slow and precise.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23817936 - 11/09/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What about a negative air box?


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23817940 - 11/09/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How did you even have room to work man?  My goodness that's tight quarters lol, jars are like 4" across.  That makes exactly 2x2 space.  That's renegade stuff there :-)
I'm just playin, but I'd loved to have seen that super ghetto rig.  Why not do half and half man?
OP....
One of THE BIGGEST errors you can make is to attempt to customize these proven teks untill you have all of the teks you need, all available here, time and result tested.
I speak from experience, I tried many deviations from tek and failed miserably.  The TCs here known
WTF they are doing, and it's best to just swallow your pride and follow damned instructions.
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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #23818198 - 11/10/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You got the help of a guy who claims he has a government grant to grow psychedelic mushrooms but he doesn't know shit from shit.  :shrug:

This is the only box you need:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771

The second you're putting stuff like CPU fans into the equation, you're becoming more fascinated with the idea of a fancy box than you are interested in the science of doing clean work.  If you are new to growing or doing sterile work then I would advise starting with what works before trying anything else.  Your findings will ultimately be meaningless until you have repeatable success to compare them with.




I love how Tump speaks some terrible advice...leaves...and never comes back...

It's like he knows that he isn't gonna get away with throwing his diarrhea everywhere-so he just leaves the thread and then hits up another.

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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: morty422] * 1
    #23818219 - 11/10/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I love how i help people by giving them information on what they want to know. Then because im the one that posted it you talk shit like you can't deal with the information provided. People have been growing mushrooms and posting there success with the rest of us since this sites been up. There are lots of ways to skin a cat , yes still air box works great as said earlier. But so does this 9er box. His question was about a positive air glove box, so i found him the info. You all wise you could ban me for not even breaking the rules. Your all breaking the 5th rule about flaming.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23818717 - 11/10/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It was approximately 2 x 2. I took some wide plastic sheeting. Rolled it up cone style. Tied top of cone closed and used that same twine to hang it from a hook, so it got bigger farther down. Sprayed the shit out of it with disinfectant and let settle for a bit. Put on fresh clean cloths and then gave them a light spray. Stepped in through the "slit" made by the plastic over lapping. Heated and wiped done syringe with alcohol every time. About all I moved was my arms. Had an old bandana around my mouth so my breathing wouldn't kick anything up. I did loose 2 or 3 jar. This was done as my sab was small. Had previously been using pints. Didn't think thing through to well when I jumped to jars. So I made a ghetto rig and it worked. Hey back in those days all I had was a book. No shroomery, and didn't know anyone who had grown. Had trial and error as a teacher.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23818731 - 11/10/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It was approximately 2 x 2. I took some wide plastic sheeting. Rolled it up cone style. Tied top of cone closed and used that same twine to hang it from a hook, so it got bigger farther down. Sprayed the shit out of it with disinfectant and let settle for a bit. Put on fresh clean cloths and then gave them a light spray. Stepped in through the "slit" made by the plastic over lapping. Heated and wiped done syringe with alcohol every time. About all I moved was my arms. Had an old bandana around my mouth so my breathing wouldn't kick anything up. I did loose 2 or 3 jar. This was done as my sab was small. Had previously been using pints. Didn't think thing through to well when I jumped to jars. So I made a ghetto rig and it worked. Hey back in those days all I had was a book. No shroomery, and didn't know anyone who had grown. Had trial and error as a teacher.



Ohhhhhh now I have a better picture lol.  I was picturing a plastic tent as a SAB, and quarts being 4" across, give or take.... that's exactly 24".
That makes sense now :-)
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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: tump] * 2
    #23818752 - 11/10/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I love how i help people by giving them information on what they want to know. Then because im the one that posted it you talk shit like you can't deal with the information provided. People have been growing mushrooms and posting there success with the rest of us since this sites been up. There are lots of ways to skin a cat , yes still air box works great as said earlier. But so does this 9er box. His question was about a positive air glove box, so i found him the info. You all wise you could ban me for not even breaking the rules. Your all breaking the 5th rule about flaming.



Damn there's way too much :facepalm: in this post for me, so I'm going to keep my comment light and put in no effort this retardia

You have the proof this 9er box works "about the same as a sab" or are you just going to keep talking out of your ass? This is like saying to someone who wants to listen to music to go buy a cassette player instead of downloading your music and putting it on your phone, I mean people back then listened to music... Why do something way outdated when you can help someone succeed with way less work, effort, money and has been proven to succeed millions of times technology.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Mad Season]
    #23818845 - 11/10/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pro tip: for a STILL AIR box to work properly dont install anything that blows air through your box, nor HEPAs etc that blows air around in your room.
TEK says to close windows and turn off A/Cs. follow the TEK.

If you (tump) wanna know why a GB is way worse than a SAB, use the fuckin search engine :thumbup:


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: spacechildo]
    #23819094 - 11/10/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What is wrong with a HEPA scrubbing air in the room and then being turned OFF before using the SAB? I have seen many people and teks say that it is ok to use a good HEPA in your room to help keep spores out of the air. You will NEVER get them all but it can not hurt to remove some. LIKE I SAID THOUGH IT HAS TO BE OFF WHEN WORKING!


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #23819128 - 11/10/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well if you turn it off in good time before working it wont hurt, but it doesnt help either so its basically a waste of time and energy.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: TheMadHatter420] * 1
    #23819150 - 11/10/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yea 9 years ago i build that box and it worked great. But hey i dont have pictures form back then and even if i did have pictures you just say i edited it. So no matter what you guy bicth. Still air boxs are cheap and easy thats why you all like them. But that again is not what op asked. Its because im saying anything you all are hateful. If you a noob said he was shooting spores directly to a grain jar you would give them shit for it. But when a TC says it you let it slide.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: tump]
    #23819166 - 11/10/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I like SABs over GBs because they're way better for our use in this hobby.
it has nothing to do with age, who posted it or how terrible you are at taking pics.

I've never claimed you were able to photoshop anything tump. I simply said you're weighing down your mushroom on the scale, and that's why your pic only shows half a shroom.

If OP asks about how to make a poor idea feaseable, I'd rather show him how to make a better choice.


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: tump]
    #23819195 - 11/10/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23819206 - 11/10/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: tump] * 1
    #23820108 - 11/10/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yea 9 years ago i build that box and it worked great. But hey i dont have pictures form back then and even if i did have pictures you just say i edited it. So no matter what you guy bicth.



Yeah what space said, but I honestly don't care about that. I care about shit info spread.

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Still air boxs are cheap and easy thats why you all like them. But that again is not what op asked. Its because im saying anything you all are hateful.



I'm going to quote myself from the last time we talked about airflow inside of a box..
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I already understood.. but you have to account for the contams inside the box, how would you make everything inside sterile? With the vacuum going, you're mixing air all around inside there. A flowhood at least you're working right in front of a filter that supposedly had it running for 1 hour prior. A still air box works because there's no air flow moving contams everywhere, so it doesn't need to be sterile inside. With this hybrid thing, it just seems like way more work than necessary.



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No offense to anyone who thinks any air flow in a box you can't sterilize would be a decent idea, you're dumb. I'd rather have the inferior regular glove box over any hybrid shit



I hope you actually understand why still air is the only way you can do shit inside of a box you can't sterilize. In this case it is about pushing air in, but the same shit still applies.

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If you a noob said he was shooting spores directly to a grain jar you would give them shit for it. But when a TC says it you let it slide.



You clearly don't know me.. I've had a shit ton of conversations with TC's over good and bad info..


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Re: Positive air glove box idea [Re: Mad Season] * 1
    #23820558 - 11/10/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

tump.. just fucking leave.  Look at your ratings.  You are not wanted here.  If you're going to stay, just read, don't post.


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    #23820593 - 11/10/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

please dont make him leave! the world is so cold, hard and sad, I need my tump entertainment. he brings a smile to my face on a daily basis! you just never know what he's gonna say next.


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    #23820613 - 11/10/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You mean, you never know what stupid shit you might have to clean up after next?  Tell me about it.


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    #23820640 - 11/10/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

newbs need to learn to pay attention to detail anyway, they gotta be able to spot his 1 shroom rating.

My entertainment > newbs inattentiveness :hehehe:


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    #23820646 - 11/10/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:thatsayes:

I guess there's some enjoyment to be found in it all..


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You could make me leave. I have to be breaking the rules or doing something wrong. Even if you hate my info and thinks it is wrong does not matter


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    #23821259 - 11/10/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thankfully for you, it's not up to me. :shrug:  Someone else will have to get fed up with it I guess.  Like... dude, I don't want to be a dick to you, if I seem like I get enjoyment out of it it's because I have a policy to enjoy things I have to do anyway, regardless of if I want to do them.  But seriously.  The stuff you say...  You must realize how misleading it is to people trying to succeed.

We could all get along if you'd just kind of hang out and offer little bits of help on things that aren't pulled out of some gnarly crevasse.


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You could make me leave. I have to be breaking the rules or doing something wrong. Even if you hate my info and thinks it is wrong does not matter




ask Anne H if you can get banned for posting consistently bad advice.. oh wait, you cant... she's banned!


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I read some of her stuff with ferts and her Pom tek. Does anyone know if they actually work ?


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I read some of her stuff with ferts and her Pom tek. Does anyone know if they actually work ?




Well I mean... she's banned.  :lol:

But yes they apparently do "work".  They don't do what I want out of growing mushrooms so they aren't for me, or most people for that matter but... I guess they could be for somebody, plausibly.  That's actually not the whole reason Anne was banned, just part of it.


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I read some of her stuff with ferts and her Pom tek. Does anyone know if they actually work ?




ferts doesnt work for mush culting, its plant food.
and yes growing on poms "works", but its a crappy technique, lot of work for basically no return.
you'll be way better off just colonizing pf-cakes and not even bother fruiting them, just let the mushrooms grow invitro.


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Try to find results of ferts and poms there's your answer bud


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What about a negative air box?



So a vacuum cleaner then :rofl:


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