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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23825743 - 11/12/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just admit it koods... you don't like the current system because we sometimes get Rep Presidents when in koods world only Dems are acceptable.

Be honest. It'll do you good.

Do you have that smidgen of honesty in you or has your partisanship stripped it from you?




Sometimes? Twice in 16 years. That isn't a fluke. That is a rigged system,




So the smidgen of honesty is dead.

Five times in 56 elections/228 years.

I'm sure the founders said to each other... let's rig the 2000 and 2016 elections. That'll piss off some people.

Smart guys those founders... seeing 200+ years into the future.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23825747 - 11/12/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lol. You think a 7% failure rate is a good track record. :facepalm:


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23825766 - 11/12/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think a better approach than removing the electoral college would be to federalize its implementation and have states all follow the same rules. And one of those rules would be to give up the college votes by district so it's not a winner takes all approach. That way people in rural areas and big cities can still will the electoral votes, like how Main does it (along with one other state, can't remember off the top of my head which one it is).


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods] * 1
    #23825782 - 11/12/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol. You think a 7% failure rate is a good track record. :facepalm:





It's not a failure rate... unless your a partisan hack.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23825877 - 11/12/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Actually it is a failure rate unless you are a partisan hack.

Partisan hack means believing that 47>48


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23825884 - 11/12/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

As it's a foreseeable outcome, there is no failure.

And no partisanship. I believe in the system no matter which side wins.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23825887 - 11/12/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I guess there was a failure after all. Your bubble failed.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23825901 - 11/12/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Favors the less populated red states in the same way the electoral college does? Haven't we been over this or are you disagreeing in some way?





and it favors them in an election how?




Are you retarded or what? We've already been over this. You must be a troll. The electoral college is balanced so that the states with lower population have more say relative to those in high populated states. Therefor states with lower populations the votes of each individual counts *more* than those in higher populated areas. Are you following so far or did you already get lost? I hope so, but based on your replies so far you probably think we're now talking about the British parliament or something.

Anyway, on the off chance that you're still with us here I'll keep going. The lower population states are RED. The higher populated states are BLUE. This means that the electoral system itself is favored towards RED. That is RED, not BLUE. Are you still here? Take a minute to process that if you need to, I understand it's hard to keep up for some. Okay, now the senate is not weighted, each state gets 2. That is not 1, not 3, 2. Seems fair right? Well no, because each senators vote counts the same yet this takes no account of the population voting for those senators because a state with a population of 1,000 gets just as many senate votes as does a state with a population of 300,000. Maybe print this out and study it in your free time. I'm sure it's a lot for you to process.
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States shouldn't be selecting the president, the people should.




No. Because yet again... it's a union of states.And quite frankly, the people are selecting the President... state by state. Which is as it should be.




I didn't even say that, why would you credit me with that quote?


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koods said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Just admit it koods... you don't like the current system because we sometimes get Rep Presidents when in koods world only Dems are acceptable.

Be honest. It'll do you good.

Do you have that smidgen of honesty in you or has your partisanship stripped it from you?




Sometimes? Twice in 16 years. That isn't a fluke. That is a rigged system,




So the smidgen of honesty is dead.

Five times in 56 elections/228 years.

I'm sure the founders said to each other... let's rig the 2000 and 2016 elections. That'll piss off some people.

Smart guys those founders... seeing 200+ years into the future.




Yes, that's exactly what they did as Koods already explained in great detail. They have rigged the system from the beginning to give more power to the states in charge of drafting the laws governing this process. Why do you think so many of the presidents all came from Virginia in the beginning? Was Virginia just a happening place with all the bright ideas or did they simply have a much more weighted voice?


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: krypto2000]
    #23825921 - 11/12/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
No. Because yet again... it's a union of states.And quite frankly, the people are selecting the President... state by state. Which is as it should be.




I didn't even say that, why would you credit me with that quote?




I didn't. Thank the 'quote' button. I'll go back and fix the website error though. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.


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koods said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Just admit it koods... you don't like the current system because we sometimes get Rep Presidents when in koods world only Dems are acceptable.

Be honest. It'll do you good.

Do you have that smidgen of honesty in you or has your partisanship stripped it from you?




Sometimes? Twice in 16 years. That isn't a fluke. That is a rigged system,




So the smidgen of honesty is dead.

Five times in 56 elections/228 years.

I'm sure the founders said to each other... let's rig the 2000 and 2016 elections. That'll piss off some people.

Smart guys those founders... seeing 200+ years into the future.




Yes, that's exactly what they did as Koods already explained in great detail. They have rigged the system from the beginning to give more power to the states in charge. Why do you think so many of the presidents all came from Virginia in the beginning? Was Virginia just a happening place with all the bright ideas or did they simply have a much more weighted voice?




And he was/is wrong each time.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: krypto2000]
    #23825942 - 11/12/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Rigged seems like an exaggeration...
(Even though the system does seem to favor republicans at the moment).

To me it looks like there was a good intention behind the system: to create a country where everyone, not just people in the big states, have a say. 

The most problematic part about the system I'd say is that if a state gets 60% rep votes it's translated to 100% rep electoral votes... That seems very wrong to me, it seems like that was an easy solution back in the days, to handle votes from such a large number of people. I don't see why this isn't changed, in light of technical advancements made since the system was put in place...

Sometimes things can be bad without there being an evil mastermind behind it.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: Malkuthian]
    #23825990 - 11/12/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's the states themselves that pick the rules of how to manage their delegates. You can thank Republicans and Democrats both for the precedent on all or none states, as they will always maximize wins for their side since they are typically the one's in control where they have a majority.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: Malkuthian]
    #23826004 - 11/12/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Rigged seems like an exaggeration...
(Even though the system does seem to favor republicans at the moment).

To me it looks like there was a good intention behind the system: to create a country where everyone, not just people in the big states, have a say. 

The most problematic part about the system I'd say is that if a state gets 60% rep votes it's translated to 100% rep electoral votes... That seems very wrong to me, it seems like that was an easy solution back in the days, to handle votes from such a large number of people. I don't see why this isn't changed, in light of technical advancements made since the system was put in place...

Sometimes things can be bad without there being an evil mastermind behind it.




True. I don't know if I used the word rigged or not, but I wasn't necessarily saying it's by design, just that the net result is an unfair system that favors republicans. I *do* happen to think it is by design, especially when you look back to when it was created, who created it, etc, but that's a much bigger discussion so I wasn't trying to go there especially when people such as prisoner can't even first grasp the basic concepts being presented. I really question if he's simply trying with some of his responses.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23826012 - 11/12/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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No. Because yet again... it's a union of states.And quite frankly, the people are selecting the President... state by state. Which is as it should be.




I didn't even say that, why would you credit me with that quote?




I didn't. Thank the 'quote' button. I'll go back and fix the website error though. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.


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koods said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Just admit it koods... you don't like the current system because we sometimes get Rep Presidents when in koods world only Dems are acceptable.

Be honest. It'll do you good.

Do you have that smidgen of honesty in you or has your partisanship stripped it from you?




Sometimes? Twice in 16 years. That isn't a fluke. That is a rigged system,




So the smidgen of honesty is dead.

Five times in 56 elections/228 years.

I'm sure the founders said to each other... let's rig the 2000 and 2016 elections. That'll piss off some people.

Smart guys those founders... seeing 200+ years into the future.




Yes, that's exactly what they did as Koods already explained in great detail. They have rigged the system from the beginning to give more power to the states in charge. Why do you think so many of the presidents all came from Virginia in the beginning? Was Virginia just a happening place with all the bright ideas or did they simply have a much more weighted voice?




And he was/is wrong each time.





Even if you are right how do you expect us to believe you? Koods and I have given evidence and reason to support our points. That evidence may be innacurate and our reasoning could be flawed, but you on the other hand have given neither evidence nor reason to support your position, you haven't even provided a reason, real or not, why we are wrong. Your argument is essentially "The system is designed the way it is because it's fair and it's fair because that's how it's designed." That's not a reason at all, that's circular logic at its best.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: krypto2000]
    #23826632 - 11/12/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Then you're reading skills aren't just poor, they are broken.

I've repeated my reasoning several times in multiple threads.

I can't force you to see.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23826647 - 11/12/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Just admit it koods... you don't like the current system because we sometimes get Rep Presidents when in koods world only Dems are acceptable.

Be honest. It'll do you good.

Do you have that smidgen of honesty in you or has your partisanship stripped it from you?




Sometimes? Twice in 16 years. That isn't a fluke. That is a rigged system. How can you defend a system where democrats need to not just get most of the votes they need to win by a fill percentage point?

Of course you like the system we have now because you're a partisan hack and it favors your side.




Then the fact small states have a say should signal to people like hillary to pay attention to them, not fucking insult them

***fuck that stupid bitch


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: Malkuthian] * 1
    #23826648 - 11/12/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Rigged seems like an exaggeration...
(Even though the system does seem to favor republicans at the moment).

To me it looks like there was a good intention behind the system: to create a country where everyone, not just people in the big states, have a say. 

The most problematic part about the system I'd say is that if a state gets 60% rep votes it's translated to 100% rep electoral votes... That seems very wrong to me, it seems like that was an easy solution back in the days, to handle votes from such a large number of people. I don't see why this isn't changed, in light of technical advancements made since the system was put in place...

Sometimes things can be bad without there being an evil mastermind behind it.




It was designed to counter the fact that in some states most of the population only counted as 3/5 of a person. It is totally indefensible to retain something with a history like that.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23826662 - 11/12/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Favors the less populated red states in the same way the electoral college does? Haven't we been over this or are you disagreeing in some way?





and it favors them in an election how?




:facepalm:
Small states get a minimum of three electoral votes, not one. To make up for this fact, electoral votes are taken away from larger states. States like Montana, Wyoming Alaska and DC (which is essentially a state for this discussion) each have two more electoral votes than their population deserves and California is missing TEN





do you believe the seante is voting for the president?


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23826679 - 11/12/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Just admit it koods... you don't like the current system because we sometimes get Rep Presidents when in koods world only Dems are acceptable.

Be honest. It'll do you good.

Do you have that smidgen of honesty in you or has your partisanship stripped it from you?




Sometimes? Twice in 16 years. That isn't a fluke. That is a rigged system. How can you defend a system where democrats need to not just get most of the votes they need to win by a fill percentage point?

Of course you like the system we have now because you're a partisan hack and it favors your side.




Then the fact small states have a say should signal to people like hillary to pay attention to them, not fucking insult them

***fuck that stupid bitch




Why should a redneck moron who never graduated middle school get any more say than any one else. The dumbfuckery of this country is amazing. Well, we'll have four years to demonstrate why you don't give the idiots more power than the smart people.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23826683 - 11/12/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The dumbfuckery of this country is amazing. Well, we'll have four eight years to demonstrate why you don't guve the idiots more power than the smart people.




Fixed it for you koods. Now it matches your dreams.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23826697 - 11/12/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
Why should a redneck moron who never graduated middle school get any more say than any one else. The dumbfuckery of this country is amazing. Well, we'll have four years to demonstrate why you don't guve the idiots more power than the smart people.



Those redneck morons were saying similar things about Mexican's and uppity college types a few short weeks ago, so you're really just arguing the other side of the coin.


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