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luvdemshrooms
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23860324 - 11/23/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: You're free to hold that opinion, no matter how ill conceived it is.
The states elect their Representatives by statewide popular vote.
The states elect their Senators by statewide popular vote.
The states elect their President by statewide popular vote.
The only ill conceived thought here is from a whiner who wants to shit on the states that disagree with him.
Districts elect their representatives
States elect their senators
And the nation should elect the president.
That is the logical progression.
Only is you want to shit on the states that disagree with you.
Which it what it seems you want.
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deff
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: endogenous] 1
#23860387 - 11/23/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think regardless of who won the election, popular vote makes a lot more sense. Here in Canada, there's a push for proportional representation, which is the same sort of idea - that the percentage of the popular vote should reflect the percentage of the seats in Parliament. I don't personally see any argument that makes the current system more sensible than that. I think if Hillary won the electoral college and Trump won the popular vote, many people would conveniently be switching their arguments that's politics!
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: deff]
#23860492 - 11/23/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hah. Trump flip-flopped and decided now that Clinton doesn't need to be charged with any crimes. Before, he was saying that if he became president he would do everything in his power to prosecute her.
Told you guys that would never happen. Him and the Clintons are friends IRL of course he wasn't going to prosecute her.
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Patlal
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23860535 - 11/23/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Three more weeks for electors to watch Trump botch the transition and not give a shit about his conflicts of interest. Six now. 30 to go. (Assuming he wins michigan, and his lead is dwindling there)
Also, you do know that the President is exempt from conflict of interests laws right?
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akira_akuma
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: Patlal]
#23860551 - 11/23/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you know that koods probably knows that. i mean literally, you have to have inferred that koods must either know, or not know, but your assumption leads to the conservative notion that, well, let me hedge my bets...you know he knows that,...that's why he's mentioning that none of them will give a fuck.
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Patlal
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: akira_akuma]
#23860555 - 11/23/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you know that koods probably knows that. i mean literally, you have to have inferred that koods must either know, or not know, but your assumption leads to the conservative notion that, well, let me hedge my bets...you know he knows that,...that's why he's mentioning that none of them will give a fuck. 
Ummm. Sure?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23860581 - 11/23/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it really irrational to question the electorate...? I get that you don't share the opinion, but it is a question of opinion. None of the opinions is irrational...
Btw: If sweden would have used an electorate system, the result would have been this:
 Left picture is divided by counties and right by Municipalities. (we don't have the exact counterpart of state). Red is the "Swedish Social Democratic Party" We would never ever have any other government than the Social Democratic Party, if we used the electorate system.
And how the population is divided between different states is quite arbitrary, I would say, which makes the whole thing a bit strange.
Still, I do get the idea to want to include the back country more than how it works with popular vote, where the city people get to decide for the back country people...
In the end it's a matter of opinion, and a serious debate on the different systems would be nice. Condemning one of the systems completely without even trying to argue why in a sensible way is just to retarded to take serious...
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akira_akuma
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: Patlal]
#23860609 - 11/23/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you know that koods probably knows that. i mean literally, you have to have inferred that koods must either know, or not know, but your assumption leads to the conservative notion that, well, let me hedge my bets...you know he knows that,...that's why he's mentioning that none of them will give a fuck. 
Ummm. Sure?
exactly.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: endogenous]
#23860669 - 11/23/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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where are you getting your info?
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Patlal
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: Mo.Sigh.Aw]
#23860677 - 11/23/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mo.Sigh.Aw said: where are you getting your info?
The Consitution. It's amazing the info you get when you actually read the thing instead of randomly quoting it.
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akira_akuma
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: Patlal]
#23860712 - 11/23/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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a budding Americanophile.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: Malkuthian]
#23860805 - 11/23/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Malkuthian said: Is it really irrational to question the electorate...? I get that you don't share the opinion, but it is a question of opinion. None of the opinions is irrational...
Btw: If sweden would have used an electorate system, the result would have been this:
 Left picture is divided by counties and right by Municipalities. (we don't have the exact counterpart of state). Red is the "Swedish Social Democratic Party" We would never ever have any other government than the Social Democratic Party, if we used the electorate system.
And how the population is divided between different states is quite arbitrary, I would say, which makes the whole thing a bit strange.
Still, I do get the idea to want to include the back country more than how it works with popular vote, where the city people get to decide for the back country people...
In the end it's a matter of opinion, and a serious debate on the different systems would be nice. Condemning one of the systems completely without even trying to argue why in a sensible way is just to retarded to take serious...
It's only arbitrary if the candidate you support doesn't win. All men are created equal in America, but the states are not equal. The less men the more you're worth as an individual voter. Founding fathers wanted it that way or some shit like that who are we to question decisions made in the past. America is already great, and progress=satan.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23860822 - 11/23/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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All men were not created equal when america was founded and that's why the electoral college was founded to ensure the slave states would not be overrun by the people of free states by allowing the slave states to count their negroes as three fifths of a whitey in their electoral college votes.
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Patlal
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: akira_akuma] 2
#23860866 - 11/23/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: a budding Americanophile. 
Ah yes. The ever present conundrum of Americans not being able to wrap their heads around the fact that a non-American has interest in their politics. It's so damn hard to understand that you need to be outside of America to get it apparently.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: Patlal] 1
#23860884 - 11/23/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't get us wrong. We hate Americans who take an interest in American politics too, but at least they only stick their nose in their own asscrack.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: Patlal]
#23861025 - 11/23/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Three more weeks for electors to watch Trump botch the transition and not give a shit about his conflicts of interest. Six now. 30 to go. (Assuming he wins michigan, and his lead is dwindling there)
Also, you do know that the President is exempt from conflict of interests laws right?
Yeah, and the fact trump specifically pointed that out should have everyone concerned.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23861044 - 11/23/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You didn't seem all that concerned when we pointed out what Hillary's conflict of interests would be, you partisan hack.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: Great Scott]
#23861061 - 11/23/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Clintons said they would break off their connection to the foundation if she was elected. But that is irrelevant now because she was not elected and now Trump is going to be our president and everyone should take an interest in what our president does.
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Great Scott
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23861075 - 11/23/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chelsea would have continued to run operations as a surrogate.
And now their Foundation is worthless since she has no special favors/state secrets to sell to various foreign warlords and high rollers.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2 Million Votes [Re: ohcrapitsnico] 1
#23861096 - 11/23/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Now that the donors don't stand to gain anything in return for their donations, the donations have dropped by close to 40% since her pay for play allegations and her presidential bid started.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/20/donations-to-clinton-foundation-fell-by-37-percent/
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