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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Crystal G]
#23850239 - 11/20/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What are minorities automatically entitled to that you are not?
government grants and loans specific to minorities
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Prisoner#1 said: and just what was your income bracket in which you were being taxed at 45% and had to rent a room so you could have a few dollars left out of your paycheck?
It was around $45K at the time, if I weren't getting taxed at all I should have ended up with roughly $3600 a month. Instead my bi-weekly pay was around $980 or something like that. Granted, that was also after they automatically deducted the monthly health insurance and auto insurance costs for the company car from my paycheck
sounds like you dont have a clue what you were being taxed because there is no way that you were getting 40% of your pay taken in taxes at $45k per year
this is what the totals for annual deductions would look like based on $45k/yr
Federal Income Tax $6,458.75 Social Security $2,790.00 Medicare $652.50 Pennsylvania $1,381.50 Total Deductions $11,282.75
your bi weekly pay would have been $1,730.77 gross and $1,296.82 net, assuming you claimed no dependents and no additional payroll deductions so in reality, it appears you had a 25% tax rate, assuming you didnt receive anything back and it's unlikely at $45k you had to pay much in if anything
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23850251 - 11/20/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i cant believe hillary has 1.6 million votes over Trump. WTF.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: i cant believe hillary has 1.6 million votes over Trump. WTF.
That's a lotta' Mexicans.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Great Scott]
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LogicaL Chaos said: i cant believe hillary has 1.6 million votes over Trump. WTF.
That's a lotta' Mexicans.
california has a lot of mexicans
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23850428 - 11/20/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought Cali had lots of Russians
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23850502 - 11/20/16 05:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Koods scapegoat is that his candidate won the popular vote. Reps scapegoat is that the popular votes loss is due to all them mexicans.
Fucking scapegoat extravaganza in hear.
Both parties: Suck it up already. You both lost
Tan-Trump the Tramp Stamp is president, fair and square. Hillaryous the hideous won the popular vote, fair and square.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Srirachi]
#23850567 - 11/20/16 06:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Each Midwestern farmer feeds 160 people. That's a huge responsibility, one which most people in urban centers have zero understanding of. These major metro areas have no business telling farmers what they can and can't do. This is one reason amongst many that the framers went out of their way to ensure that no one in this country would simply not matter.
I'd just like to point out that this is retarded and you're appealing to pathos more than you're being logical.
A. My dad is a Midwestern farmer
B. He thinks Trump is fucking retarded and doesn't like the electoral college
C. Feeding people isn't a huge responsibility that farmers think about. They think about crop yields and what they can do to improve them. Also, a significant amount of food grown in the Midwest (corn, wheat, soybeans) goes to feeding livestock. If all farmers gave a shit about feeding more people, they'd all be vegetarians so that more grains couls go to feeding people and not to feeding cows. D. "These major metro areas have no business telling farmers what they can and can't do" I met a farmer who was bragging about burning his tractor tires at night (so no one would see the smoke) because he didn't want to pay to get them disposed. Fuck that guy. There should obviously be regulations for that. The EPA should obviously tell farmers what they can and can't do in certain situations. In your world, would you like it if I dumped a bunch of chemicals into a creek that made it downstream to where your children/family were catching crawfish?
E. "This is one reason amongst many that the framers went out of their way to ensure that no one in this country would simply not matter" As someone who typically votes Democrat, please tell me how my vote mattered when I live in a state that both Hillary and Trump were so sure was red that neither bothered to campaign here. If my vote mattered, they'd give a shit about my vote and campaign in my area. Florida, north Carolina, Ohio, etc. votes mattered. Even in my local election, outside super PACs invested hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a Republican representative in my state's house. No matter what I think, my vote meant shit because the newspaper told all the gullible, uneducated people here that the Democratic candidate wasn't "pro-family" (I.e. hates fags)
Also, if you read into how the electoral college made it into the Constitution, you'd see James Madison wanted southern states to have as much of a voice as northern states at the time. He knew if it were left to popular vote, people in the north would have more influence and they could abolish slavery. Now, in 2016, I assume the south and north are more closely equal in population. Now entirely, but whatever. Those southern states that Madison wanted to grant more power to (to keep slavery going) still have more power in terms of their vote. The north and south also more culturally cohesive than we were when the Constitution was written. Do you honestly believe a government that's ostensibly owned by us (because we can vote), should have an election system that favors conservative white men in southern states?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23850676 - 11/20/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought Cali had lots of Russians 
russia has lots of russians too, you dont seem to be holding it against them
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Malkuthian]
#23850692 - 11/20/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tan-Trump the Tramp Stamp is president, fair and square. Hillaryous the hideous won the popular vote, fair and square.
This is actually what I like to call a lose-lose situation.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: tito123]
#23850702 - 11/20/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tito123 said: C. Feeding people isn't a huge responsibility that farmers think about. They think about crop yields and what they can do to improve them. Also, a significant amount of food grown in the Midwest (corn, wheat, soybeans) goes to feeding livestock. If all farmers gave a shit about feeding more people, they'd all be vegetarians so that more grains couls go to feeding people and not to feeding cows.
you do realize that the end result of feeding cows is actually feeding people, right?
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Do you honestly believe a government that's ostensibly owned by us (because we can vote), should have an election system that favors conservative white men in southern states?
do you honestly believe that's the case or is your ass still sore from the election? did it occur to you that the democrat party introduced the very system of winner take all when it comes to electoral votes instead of allowing each candidate their own votes as it is in only 2 states. new hampshire had 1 electoral vote for trump, in 48 states all of the electors votes now go to the winner of that state. thank your party for developing the 2 party trap which has cost them so many elections
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: tito123]
#23850945 - 11/20/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Each Midwestern farmer feeds 160 people. That's a huge responsibility, one which most people in urban centers have zero understanding of. These major metro areas have no business telling farmers what they can and can't do. This is one reason amongst many that the framers went out of their way to ensure that no one in this country would simply not matter.
I'd just like to point out that this is retarded and you're appealing to pathos more than you're being logical.
A. My dad is a Midwestern farmer
B. He thinks Trump is fucking retarded and doesn't like the electoral college
C. Feeding people isn't a huge responsibility that farmers think about. They think about crop yields and what they can do to improve them. Also, a significant amount of food grown in the Midwest (corn, wheat, soybeans) goes to feeding livestock. If all farmers gave a shit about feeding more people, they'd all be vegetarians so that more grains couls go to feeding people and not to feeding cows. D. "These major metro areas have no business telling farmers what they can and can't do" I met a farmer who was bragging about burning his tractor tires at night (so no one would see the smoke) because he didn't want to pay to get them disposed. Fuck that guy. There should obviously be regulations for that. The EPA should obviously tell farmers what they can and can't do in certain situations. In your world, would you like it if I dumped a bunch of chemicals into a creek that made it downstream to where your children/family were catching crawfish?
E. "This is one reason amongst many that the framers went out of their way to ensure that no one in this country would simply not matter" As someone who typically votes Democrat, please tell me how my vote mattered when I live in a state that both Hillary and Trump were so sure was red that neither bothered to campaign here. If my vote mattered, they'd give a shit about my vote and campaign in my area. Florida, north Carolina, Ohio, etc. votes mattered. Even in my local election, outside super PACs invested hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a Republican representative in my state's house. No matter what I think, my vote meant shit because the newspaper told all the gullible, uneducated people here that the Democratic candidate wasn't "pro-family" (I.e. hates fags)
Also, if you read into how the electoral college made it into the Constitution, you'd see James Madison wanted southern states to have as much of a voice as northern states at the time. He knew if it were left to popular vote, people in the north would have more influence and they could abolish slavery. Now, in 2016, I assume the south and north are more closely equal in population. Now entirely, but whatever. Those southern states that Madison wanted to grant more power to (to keep slavery going) still have more power in terms of their vote. The north and south also more culturally cohesive than we were when the Constitution was written. Do you honestly believe a government that's ostensibly owned by us (because we can vote), should have an election system that favors conservative white men in southern states?
a. I too am a Midwestern farmer. b. To see a list of Democrats I would have voted for over Trump, write down the name of every single Democrat in the fucking world, then cross off Hillary Clinton. c. When I hear people bitching that everything should be grown organically, I think about how many people would starve to death if we did it that way. Just like the Obama proclamation that we would grow more biomass than the fresh water supply of the entire world can sustain... great science there. Sorry, can't water your soybeans, we're growing switchgrass!
d. "I met a...." by all means, base your entire argument on evidence drawn from one happenstance encounter. This is typical of liberal arguments, and a logical fallacy that one who has taken the time to learn critical thinking skills would avoid making.
To your more legitimate argument about pesticides, yes, runoff is a problem. Farmers rarely back a tank truck of glycophosphate up to a creek and dump it. It's kind of expensive for that. Farmers don't "dump" anything. Occasionally retention dams break and shit runs everywhere. I won't say there are not real concerns in farming, but farmers do far less damage than the people who build iPhones. But hey, that's China's issue.
e. Your vote counts as much as a Republican voter's in California. Not everybody gets their way.
I'm intimately familiar with the Constitution, as well as much of the literature leading up to the Constitution. I'd like you to show me a credible source that says the purpose of the Electoral College was to protect slavery. There are none. You'll probably find it in many opinion pieces in HuffPo. You will find absolutely no reference to any contemporary document showing this was a factor in the Framers' debates.
Then, as now, the electors were assigned based on population of the State. State population determines the number of Representatives in the House, and there is one elector per Representative plus one per Congressmember.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23852890 - 11/20/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: you do realize that the end result of feeding cows is actually feeding people, right?
I'm sure you already know that the grain fed to cows could feed more people than the cow's meat could. Energy is lost at every level of the food chain. Don't play dumb.
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Prisoner#1 said: do you honestly believe that's the case or is your ass still sore from the election? did it occur to you that the democrat party introduced the very system of winner take all when it comes to electoral votes instead of allowing each candidate their own votes as it is in only 2 states. new hampshire had 1 electoral vote for trump, in 48 states all of the electors votes now go to the winner of that state. thank your party for developing the 2 party trap which has cost them so many elections
Do you honestly believe the first two political parties were democrats and republicans? Or is your ass too lazy or stupid to think of a cogent response? When our Constitution was written, the two major political parties were the Federalists and the Republican party, which was also called the Democratic-Republican party.
Do you distort the truth to make a half-assed point in every post you make?
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b. To see a list of Democrats I would have voted for over Trump, write down the name of every single Democrat in the fucking world, then cross off Hillary Clinton.
Agreed. Make a list of every Republican in the fucking world and cross off Donald Trump. Even then, he's expressed so many different political views and switched parties so many times, who knows what the fuck kind of political beliefs he actually holds? In the same way Hilary's leaked emails said it's important to have personal and public positions, what makes you think Donald is any different?
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c. When I hear people bitching that everything should be grown organically, I think about how many people would starve to death if we did it that way. Just like the Obama proclamation that we would grow more biomass than the fresh water supply of the entire world can sustain... great science there. Sorry, can't water your soybeans, we're growing switchgrass!
I'm studying to become a biochemist. I don't know where you got it in your head that I'm anti-GMO, because I'm not. Also, I don't know when/if Obama said that, but I don't agree with everything Obama says or does, so I won't defend a position of his that I'm not educated about. But from what I've gathered about the EPA, they don't seem to be full of shit or irrational, alhough you may be able to prove me wrong. I don't religiously follow the EPA's policies.
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"I met a...." by all means, base your entire argument on evidence drawn from one happenstance encounter. This is typical of liberal arguments, and a logical fallacy that one who has taken the time to learn critical thinking skills would avoid making.
Yes, it is an anecdotal argument and doesn't have any strong merit in a debate, but I experienced it and I think we can both agree our viewpoints are shaped by our experiences. I'm curious to know why these people in "major metro areas have no business telling farmers what they can and can't do"
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Your vote counts as much as a Republican voter's in California. Not everybody gets their way.
Yes. Which I think most Republicans in California and I can both agree is bullshit.
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I'm intimately familiar with the Constitution, as well as much of the literature leading up to the Constitution. I'd like you to show me a credible source that says the purpose of the Electoral College was to protect slavery. There are none. You'll probably find it in many opinion pieces in HuffPo. You will find absolutely no reference to any contemporary document showing this was a factor in the Framers' debates.
Firstly, I never said the entire purpose of the electoral college was to protect slavery.
Secondly, here's a quote by James Madison pertaining to the electoral college: "There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to the fewest objections."
We probably both agree Wikipedia isn't a 100% reliable source, but assuming that the electoral college's wikipedia page has so much traffic, I think it's safe to assume that it's mostly reliable, if not entirely reliable. Here's a quote from Wikipedia. If you'd like, I can probably find a similar quote from another website we can both agree is legitimate, but I'd rather do something better with my time.
"Madison acknowledged that while a popular vote would be ideal, it would be difficult to get consensus on the proposal given the prevalence of slavery in the South"
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: tito123] 2
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: volcomstoner]
#23852913 - 11/20/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Too many sausages too many sausages.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: volcomstoner] 1
#23853033 - 11/21/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pence definitely Goog'd that shit. (jk, how could i fucking know that, but it'd be funny....)
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"Madison acknowledged that while a popular vote would be ideal, it would be difficult to get consensus on the proposal given the prevalence of slavery in the South"
thanks slavery for the electoral college!
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the Federalists and the Republican party, which was also called the Democratic-Republican party.
new to me, i didn't know they referred to themselves as the Democratic-Republic...i mean, i had read that before, but never made the connection, and it was probably a long while ago. damn, i wish i had all the time in the world to study American history and politics, so i could inform...Americans...about their......
all i know about is like the basics...and the whigs...apparently what we now call "liberals".
oy vey
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: akira_akuma]
#23853037 - 11/21/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where'd he learn to troll like that? I didn't think the old man had it in him.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Great Scott]
#23853042 - 11/21/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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he learnt it, probably, from a young staffer that told him "this is what we're getting Trump to do too...i googled 'electoral college' and look what i found. use this."
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: akira_akuma] 3
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Great Scott]
#23853083 - 11/21/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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maaaaaan, Mike Pence looks like a member of the undead. His dark, sunken eye lookin', self-entitled whitey-titey wearin', creep with the clammy, pale skin. Only dark sinister forces could keep his walkin' corpse ass animated. Just sayin' And that's my roast on Mike Pence.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: PartoftheSource]
#23853144 - 11/21/16 01:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082
LOL http://www.snopes.com/trump-described-the-electoral-college-as-a-disaster/ -- beware, liberal lies.
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