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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: daytripper05]
#23848639 - 11/19/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: 90% of the country voted red. 90% of the country by geography most definitely voted red, otherwise Hillary would be president. really don't see your point. Look at the county map, not the states. Trump flipped MI, PA, and WI. The only counties that went blue are places with dense populations, which weren't enough to carry the vote.
Unless I'm color blind, the whole damn country is covered in red by small pockets of blue.
make a point regarding what he actually said. don't just post propaganda that doesn't even address what he said. discuss. don't just propagate.
dense populations weren't able to carry the vote...interesting...address that.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848642 - 11/19/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ITT: people don't understand at all what America is
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848646 - 11/19/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no, you're the one who can't comprehend what his actual plans entailed. you say free, anyone with a brain who understands what is going on in reality, says "paid for".
paid for -- free -- see the difference? of course not.
Depends on which side of the coin you are on, paid for by whom? Free for whom?
Bernie was gonna most likely double taxes on the middle class, I, and a lot of other people, think that would have been a disaster
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23848649 - 11/19/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no, you're the one who can't comprehend what his actual plans entailed. you say free, anyone with a brain who understands what is going on in reality, says "paid for".
paid for -- free -- see the difference? of course not.
Depends on which side of the coin you are on, paid for by whom? Free for whom?
Bernie was gonna most likely double taxes on the middle class, I, and a lot of other people, think that would have been a disaster
Lol no his tax plan was primely aimed at the ultra-wealthy.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: twighead]
#23848650 - 11/19/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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twighead said: ITT: people don't understand at all what America is 
right? people are allowed to critique and question decisions in American politics. that's why America has the opportunity to be great...now if only you guys didn't always want outside coalitions dead, when you guys fight over ideals. you know...all the fucking time.
please, do us in Canada a favor though...don't try and come for our oil. we don't want a world war 3.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: daytripper05]
#23848655 - 11/19/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha, you don't understand the concept of population density versus land size. Ha.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: twighead]
#23848656 - 11/19/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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twighead said: ITT: people don't understand at all what America is 
America is canada, with guns
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848659 - 11/19/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It wasn't pointed at you as much as people claiming the significance of how red the interior of america is.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848660 - 11/19/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How am I posting propaganda by posting a statistical breakdown of the electoral votes by county? If that is what you consider propaganda, it's no wonder the world has gone to shit and liberals are out of touch with reality.
My point was to refute the argument that Trump was elected by racists when clearly Trump flipped traditionally democratic states and got much more of the minority vote than anyone expected. Then he talks about the "mason dixon line", but that has no relevance if you look at the data in the image I posted... which is actual DATA, which is fact, not propaganda.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23848664 - 11/19/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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twighead said: ITT: people don't understand at all what America is 
America is canada, with guns
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basically, ya. 
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twighead said: It wasn't pointed at you as much as people claiming the significance of how red the interior of america is.
right, i know, i was just tacking on my statements, you know, very non-apologetically, because i'm fucking ready REK SHIT YO, TRUDEAU 2016!
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: twighead]
#23848665 - 11/19/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no, you're the one who can't comprehend what his actual plans entailed. you say free, anyone with a brain who understands what is going on in reality, says "paid for".
paid for -- free -- see the difference? of course not.
Depends on which side of the coin you are on, paid for by whom? Free for whom?
Bernie was gonna most likely double taxes on the middle class, I, and a lot of other people, think that would have been a disaster
Lol no his tax plan was primely aimed at the ultra-wealthy.
They would have been taxed as well, but so would the middle class, bigleague
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: daytripper05]
#23848675 - 11/19/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: How am I posting propaganda by posting a statistical breakdown of the electoral votes by county? If that is what you consider propaganda, it's no wonder the world has gone to shit and liberals are out of touch with reality.
what's propaganda...child...is that you didn't even address the words from whom you were responding to. you literally made a forum response...to someone who said words, which words you DIDN'T ADDRESS, and instead of addressing them, you just put up something that was besides what the user you're addressing SAID; and instead of addressing what HE SAID, you're just blocking him out with a picture and some misunderstandings of what people are actually talking about, in reality.
that's propaganda.
try addressing the electoral college and it's critiques here, instead of consistently posting a map as your argument. the map you keep posting, and what it represents, is what is under contention...try addressing that contention.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23848688 - 11/19/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't understand why people oppose cutting business taxes down to 15%. I am self employed. I have no employees. I get taxed at 35%. There is no liberal on the planet that can justify that is fair to me. If you are a single white male with no deductible and get a W2, you get are getting taxed at 25-30%. This is unfair. And college kids wonder why they have no good jobs or high wages, because the companies able to hire are being taxed even more.
People always think of cutting business taxes as being "failed trickle down economics", but this is true propaganda. Taxes should be 10-15%, no more. Anyone paying more than that is paying way more than their fair share.
Add shitty health care premiums that cost as little as $500-600 a month that buy you a plan that gets you $10,000 deductible because you make too much money to get subsidies, and you have a recipe for a failing middle class.
Social issues and liberal ideology aside, these are what matter most to people. This is why you have someone like Trump as president.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848690 - 11/19/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: How am I posting propaganda by posting a statistical breakdown of the electoral votes by county? If that is what you consider propaganda, it's no wonder the world has gone to shit and liberals are out of touch with reality.
what's propaganda...child...is that you didn't even address the words from whom you were responding to. you literally made a forum response...to someone who said words, which words you DIDN'T ADDRESS, and instead of addressing them, you just put up something that was besides what the user you're addressing SAID; and instead of addressing what HE SAID, you're just blocking him out with a picture and some misunderstandings of what people are actually talking about, in reality.
that's propaganda.
try addressing the electoral college and it's critiques here, instead of consistently posting a map as your argument. the map you keep posting, and what it represents, is what is under contention...try addressing that contention.
Omg dude, you are talking in circles. I legitimately have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for calling me a "child", as if that helps your argument and makes you look "smarter".
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: daytripper05]
#23848703 - 11/19/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you keep bandying about this map, and saying "look see, look at the map" as if that's an argument...the map, and what it represents, along with the electoral vote is what is under contention...so just bringing up "the electoral vote, look!" is not a fucking argument.
that's why i call you child.
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I don't understand why people oppose cutting business taxes down to 15%. I am self employed. I have no employees. I get taxed at 35%. There is no liberal on the planet that can justify that is fair to me.
long term - short term.
a concept that most on the right cannot not only help but lack comprehension of, but also, can't help but actively fight against -- that is, long term solutions. 
the people protesting are just as bad. they want short term...not long term.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848711 - 11/19/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used the map to show the "mason dixon line" has no relevancy, nor do "slave states", or "institutional racism" have anything to do with the geography of the people that voted for Trump.
That's my point. I address what he said. I even re-read the thread to objectively see if I missed something. We are obviously on two different pages in entirely different books.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: akira_akuma]
#23848720 - 11/19/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't understand why people oppose cutting business taxes down to 15%. I am self employed. I have no employees. I get taxed at 35%. There is no liberal on the planet that can justify that is fair to me.
long term - short term.
a concept that most on the right cannot not only help but lack comprehension of, but also, can't help but actively fight against -- that is, long term solutions. 
You proved my point. Great job at explaining why taxing the working class at 30% is a good thing for the country. Your explanation boils down to "long term - short term". 30% taxes help me neither in the short term or long term bro.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: daytripper05]
#23848724 - 11/19/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you showed nothing because the map is under contention, and the electoral vote as well.
the map shows blue, the areas that are most densely populated. try addressing the argument being put forth to you. not just propagating non-arguments. it stifle's discussion.
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You proved my point. Great job at explaining why taxing the working class at 30% is a good thing for the country. Your explanation boils down to "long term - short term". 30% taxes help me neither in the short term or long term bro.
not everything is about you. you'd like to think so...but it's not. 
PS: Mason & Dixon is a good read, so far. i love history. they're the ones who divvied up the south, north, western territories? cool.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: daytripper05]
#23848738 - 11/19/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: I don't understand why people oppose cutting business taxes down to 15%. I am self employed. I have no employees. I get taxed at 35%. There is no liberal on the planet that can justify that is fair to me. If you are a single white male with no deductible and get a W2, you get are getting taxed at 25-30%. This is unfair. And college kids wonder why they have no good jobs or high wages, because the companies able to hire are being taxed even more.
You're entirely right, taxing the working class at 35% is way too much. When you included all my taxes last year including FICA, federal, state, and local tax, I was getting taxed close to 45%. And I was in my 30's and still renting a room with the leftover money because my choices were I could have either spent all my money on my own apartment, or budgeted a little better with roommates and ended up with money left over to save.
In all honesty though, why do you think only single white males get taxes at this rate? Do you really honestly think that women and minorities get taxed at different rates than you do?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: daytripper05] 1
#23848740 - 11/19/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: How am I posting propaganda by posting a statistical breakdown of the electoral votes by county? If that is what you consider propaganda, it's no wonder the world has gone to shit and liberals are out of touch with reality.
My point was to refute the argument that Trump was elected by racists when clearly Trump flipped traditionally democratic states and got much more of the minority vote than anyone expected. Then he talks about the "mason dixon line", but that has no relevance if you look at the data in the image I posted... which is actual DATA, which is fact, not propaganda.
Actually, propaganda is exactly that image's intended purpose. It doesn't really prove anything, but it looks significant. And, it's not data. Its a graphic.
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