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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: endogenous]
    #23818118 - 11/10/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sure two different corruptions, but equal in their scale I'd say


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: twighead]
    #23818133 - 11/10/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see it as different corruptions. They are the same corruptions - it's just the Republicans have more of it.

What are you thinking are the different corruptions?

Also, with Republicans holding the Senate and House, Trump is not likely to be able to get money out of politics. Not that it would be easy if the Democrats had both houses - it would just be easier.

(Christ said):"It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into Heaven."


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #23818222 - 11/10/16 02:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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He's the second president in a century that's not 17 years old yet to do so. Perhaps democrats should focus on pushing election reform through amendments to the constitution. The current rules don't seem to bode well for them in national elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution



Seems like they have an ally in that fight if they opt to work with him on election reform.




The president is irrelevant when it comes to constitutional ammendments. Something needs to change. This has happened to the democrats twice in the last 16 years. Handing the presidency to the person who finished in second place is absurd.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #23818224 - 11/10/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Democrats are more corrupt through the industries of education/law/healthcare/insurance - etc.

Republicans are more corrupt through the industries of energy/weaponry - etc.

They are intermixed as well yes. But Trump isn't even a republican. Do you think Republicans in general like that he doesn't want to go fucking HAM on Russia like the democrats were trying to?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods] * 2
    #23818228 - 11/10/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not only did Hillary get more votes than trump, the democrats got more total votes in the senate races  and more total votes in the house races, yet the republicans now control everything. While I wouldn't call it rigging (actually house races are rigged via gerrymandering), it really is bullshit that democrats can outperform republicans across the board and get nothing out of it.

The vote disparity in 2014 in the senate was huge. Democrats got 20 million plus more votes than republicans.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods] * 1
    #23818296 - 11/10/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

come koods to the butthurt thread. we all need it buddy. i feel the hutt too.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23818319 - 11/10/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There Are 868 Fewer Places to Vote in 2016 Because the Supreme Court Gutted the Voting Rights Act

Nearly half of counties that previously approved voting changes with the federal government have cut polling places this election.

By Ari Berman
November 4, 2016

Arizona voting

In this March 22, 2016, file photo, voters wait in line to cast their ballot in Arizona’s presidential primary election in Gilbert, Arizona. (AP Photo / Matt York)

When Aracely Calderon, a naturalized US citizen from Guatemala, went to vote in downtown Phoenix just before the polls closed in Arizona’s March 22 presidential primary, there were more than 700 people in a line stretching four city blocks. She waited in line for five hours, becoming the last voter in the state to cast a ballot at 12:12 am. “I’m here to exercise my right to vote,” she said shortly before midnight, explaining why she stayed in line. Others left without voting because they didn’t have four or five hours to spare.

The lines were so long because Republican election officials in Phoenix’s Maricopa County, the largest in the state, reduced the number of polling places by 70 percent from 2012 to 2016, from 200 to just 60—one polling place per 21,000 registered voters. Previously, Maricopa County would have needed federal approval to reduce the number of polling sites, because Arizona was one of 16 states where jurisdictions with a long history of discrimination had to submit their voting changes under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. This part of the VRA blocked 3,000 discriminatory voting changes from 1965 to 2013. That changed when the Supreme Court gutted the law in the June 2013 Shelby County v. Holder decision.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #23818348 - 11/10/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The fact that Clinton won the vote seems to be picking up steam in the media. I think this is going to hurt trump down the line because it will hamper his ability to be seen as legitimate. The same thing happened with bush and he didn't shake it until 9/11.

This is also the 2nd closest election in US history.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods] * 1
    #23818362 - 11/10/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

2nd closest huh? wow.

whats the first?

Was it Al Gore and Bush?

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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23818407 - 11/10/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's important to point out that GOP has also retained the house and senate, this was a clear repudiation to democrats, America has seen the last 8 years and want no more of it


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods] * 1
    #23818411 - 11/10/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The fact that Clinton won the vote seems to be picking up steam in the media. I think this is going to hurt trump down the line because it will hamper his ability to be seen as legitimate. The same thing happened with bush and he didn't shake it until 9/11.

This is also the 2nd closest election in US history.




He's only gonna be illegitimate to whiney liberals, the rest of America knows who their president is


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23818430 - 11/10/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's important to point out that GOP has also retained the house and senate, this was a clear repudiation to democrats, America has seen the last 8 years and want no more of it



The democrats also had more total votes in all the senate races and in all the house races.

the democrats picked up seats in the house and senate and Clinton won the popular vote. Sorry, your claim demonstrably false. Your candidate is lucky: one of four presidents who didn't win the vote but still got elected president.

Trump is an accident of the American democratic process. So, he gets to be president but he certainly has no mandate.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods] * 3
    #23818435 - 11/10/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thank god for our process, otherwise we'd be ruled by the tyranny of California and New York.

***thats a scary thought to anyone but a koolaid drinking leftist


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23818452 - 11/10/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sure tyranny of New York and California who have in total of 18 fewer electoral votes than they should have based on their population.


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    #23818499 - 11/10/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23818597 - 11/10/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The president is irrelevant when it comes to constitutional ammendments.



That's not true. In theory, yes. In practice they are incredibly important as party leaders. I think Wilson voted against the 18th amendment and vetoed it (and Congress overrode it), but I'm not sure of many other amendments where the president in power did not have some level of influence in it's passing. I suppose it would be better to look at failed amendments rather than passing ones though.

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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: Sanguin3] * 1
    #23818603 - 11/10/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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He's not going to be seen as an illegitimate president, that's ridiculous. It was an extremely close race and the electoral college did it's job. If you want to fight to change the system then by all means have at it but you can't dismiss the candidates who have won because of it. Hell, if our system worked the way it should we wouldn't have had to choose between these two bafoons in the first place.

Under our current system Trump won fair and square, end of story.




He won under our system. I don't think you can legitimately say a system where the second place finisher wins is fair. Right, Donald?



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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: koods] * 3
    #23818616 - 11/10/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Except he was the first place winner in our wisely thought out system that this union of states uses to decide who leads the union of the states.

Stop your whining. It's unbecoming for an adult (or should be).


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23818630 - 11/10/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Anger over him winning by the electoral college is misplaced, precisely because that's one of the things he talked about in the past and election reform was one of his big issues (even if he might have stretched some claims).

I think the real test of his authenticity would be to see if he supported a change in the rules regarding the electoral college despite winning because of it. That would speak loads of his character which is in question at times for good reason. If the issue were to come up and he rejected it because of his victory through the very system he railed against, I would certainly think even less of him for it. But if he supported it, and better yet convinced the party he just commandeered to go along with it - then he'd be doing more good than most can give him credit for.

But the rules were in place to start with. We knew the rules going in. Clinton knew the rules going in. Trump simply worked those rural areas harder and more effectively. I can't fault the guy for winning through the electoral college. If the United States wants to change that, it would take the issue more seriously rather than waiting until next election year to complain about it.

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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23818648 - 11/10/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wisely. I guess it's wise when it stacks the deck in your favor. I'm happy the accident-elect agrees with my position. I think Peyote_zen would agree that everyone votes should count and count equally and he would be appalled to discover that in Rhode Island democrats votes are worth twice what texas votes are worth. We finally uncovered the rigged system.

But seriously, anyone who was complaining about a rigged system: how this system is not rigged? Im not saying it's rigged on purpose, but the democrats have had two election where the EC has fucked us over in 16 years. Its not a fluke that it's been the democrats both times. The effect of giving small states some of the electoral votes if the large states is you give more influence to rural conservatives and take it from liberals.


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