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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841380 - 11/17/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Twist ourselves into a pretzel, good one 
We won brah.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Patlal] 1
#23841436 - 11/17/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: No, they're right cause no matter how much undemocratic you think it is, it's the current democratic system used to elect the President and has been for hundreds of years. It's in the constitution ans it has been signed off on by all the founding fathers. Your opinion of it doesn't matter. It was used and it has produced the results we currently have.
Now if you want to change that, Convince 3/4 of the States to vote with 2/3 of the voice to amend the constitution. Until then, the rules are the rules, they are written black on white and what you think of it will not matter until you have enough supporters to change it.
Also, the first 3 point given to every State by default is called the "what do I get if I join your Union" deal. Take away Wyoming's 3 points and they have no reason to stay in the Union, and the same thing is true for a dozen states in the similar situation. You can't expect a state to get on board with you and give them nothing in return...
So for fuck sake, stop bitching.
Nothing? How about one. One isn't nothing. One is what they deserve.
The electoral college was such a disaster that it was one of the first things that was amended after the constitution was ratified. It's still a disaster. To justify a system that is undemocratic simply because that's the way it is a pathetic excuse. It's even worse because it was a system developed as a compromise to get slave states to join the union. Now it's defended to justify preventing the liberal majority from choosing the president.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841448 - 11/17/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: No, they're right cause no matter how much undemocratic you think it is, it's the current democratic system used to elect the President and has been for hundreds of years. It's in the constitution ans it has been signed off on by all the founding fathers. Your opinion of it doesn't matter. It was used and it has produced the results we currently have.
Now if you want to change that, Convince 3/4 of the States to vote with 2/3 of the voice to amend the constitution. Until then, the rules are the rules, they are written black on white and what you think of it will not matter until you have enough supporters to change it.
Also, the first 3 point given to every State by default is called the "what do I get if I join your Union" deal. Take away Wyoming's 3 points and they have no reason to stay in the Union, and the same thing is true for a dozen states in the similar situation. You can't expect a state to get on board with you and give them nothing in return...
So for fuck sake, stop bitching.
Fuck off back to Canada.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Patlal]
#23841475 - 11/17/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't even mention my main objection to the electoral college, and that is it makes three way races impossible.
If the electoral votes are split three ways and nobody gets 270 then the results of the election are invalidated and the House of Representatives gets to choose the president
Please justify that shit.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods] 1
#23841491 - 11/17/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Clinton now has a 1,341,642 vote lead.
Now the conservatives are saying the US isn't really a democracy. Lol.
They've been saying that since Ben Franklin stated the new government was a Republic.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Patlal]
#23841499 - 11/17/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Some of you are still bitching about the vote count huh?
You know you're just torturing yourselves at this point, right?
It's some funny shit alright.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23841507 - 11/17/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is nothing about being a republic that doesn't mean it isn't a democracy. A republic isn't a direct democracy. A republic just means the people are represented by elected officials. In our case, we directly elect our representatives except for president. Can you think of another election in the US except president where the plurality of the vote doesn't determine who wins?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841508 - 11/17/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: No I like hearing these conservatives twist themselves into a pretzel trying to justify an undemocratic rigged system that gives some voters more power than others.
If they had any intellectual honesty, they would agree that a system that favors one side over the other is fundamentally flawed. Instead, they defend it by saying that we need it because there are more liberals in the country and without the system liberals would win. The ends justify the means.
No pretzel. You just don't like the system that guarantees better representation for the states that don't vote the way you want them to. You're not fooling anyone other than possibly yourself.
You're one of the last people who be going on about intellectual honesty, for you are neither.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841536 - 11/17/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: There is nothing about being a republic that doesn't mean it isn't a democracy.
Well, other than the definition and practice. But I've never known you to be up on definitions when they don't suit you.
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A republic isn't a direct democracy.
No shit? It's a republic.
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A republic just means the people are represented by elected officials.
Yup and here in the US it means we use the electoral college to select our Presidents.
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In our case, we directly elect our representatives except for president.
Did making an honest statement hurt your head?
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Can you think of another election in the US except president where the plurality of the vote doesn't determine who wins?
Nope. But he's the only nationally elected official so there is no comparison. Hence the well thought out electoral college. Well, well thought out unless you're a partisan hack who wants to shit on a great deal of the country.
Hey, lets suggest a new name for political hacks. We can call them 'koods' Like... what stupid things did the 'koods' say today?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23841538 - 11/17/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Twist that pretzel even more. The fact is that millions of more people wanted Clinton to be president than trump and your side needs a convoluted pretzel system created to give more power to slave states to win the election.
If you think my arguing that the person who gets more votes should win is twisting like a pretzel, then you don't know what a pretzel looks like.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Patlal]
#23841542 - 11/17/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: No, they're right cause no matter how much undemocratic you think it is, it's the current democratic system used to elect the President and has been for hundreds of years. It's in the constitution ans it has been signed off on by all the founding fathers. Your opinion of it doesn't matter. It was used and it has produced the results we currently have.
Now if you want to change that, Convince 3/4 of the States to vote with 2/3 of the voice to amend the constitution. Until then, the rules are the rules, they are written black on white and what you think of it will not matter until you have enough supporters to change it.
Also, the first 3 point given to every State by default is called the "what do I get if I join your Union" deal. Take away Wyoming's 3 points and they have no reason to stay in the Union, and the same thing is true for a dozen states in the similar situation. You can't expect a state to get on board with you and give them nothing in return...
So for fuck sake, stop bitching.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841549 - 11/17/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope. But he's the only nationally elected official so there is no comparison. Hence the well thought out electoral college. Well, well thought out unless you're a partisan hack who wants to shit on a great deal of the country.
You're a partisan hack who wants to shit on the plurality of the country who voted for Clinton.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841556 - 11/17/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Twist that pretzel even more. The fact is that millions of more people wanted Clinton to be president than trump and your side needs a convoluted pretzel system created to give more power to slave states to win the election.
If you think my arguing that the person who gets more votes should win is twisting like a pretzel, then you don't know what a pretzel looks like.
In order to twist something 'even more' I'd have needed to twist it to begin with.
It wasn't 'millions' more. In order for it to be 'millions' more, there would have to be 'millions'. There is slightly over 1 million. That is not 'millions'. Your dishonesty reeks.
Slave states?
If we were a democracy, your 'more votes' argument would indeed be valid.
As we are a republic, in just more ass-gas from you.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841565 - 11/17/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope. But he's the only nationally elected official so there is no comparison. Hence the well thought out electoral college. Well, well thought out unless you're a partisan hack who wants to shit on a great deal of the country.
You're a partisan hack who wants to shit on the plurality of the country who voted for Clinton.
Nope. I don't care which party wins as they both suck. Both fuck us. All I care about was it a fair election.
What I am is a guy who knows we are not a democracy and who respects both the system we use and the reasons it was created.
But... carry on sniveling. It's entertaining.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23841567 - 11/17/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Clinton's lead will be over two million by the time everything is counted.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841570 - 11/17/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Clinton's lead will be over two million by the time everything is counted.
Perhaps. If so and you make that claim again, you'll be correct. In the meantime... you lied.
No surprise there.
However, it wouldn't matter if she had 20m more votes as the popular vote counts for nothing when electing the President.
She, and those who supported her, would still be the losers.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841572 - 11/17/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Twist that pretzel even more. The fact is that millions of more people wanted Clinton to be president than trump and your side needs a convoluted pretzel system created to give more power to slave states to win the election.
If you think my arguing that the person who gets more votes should win is twisting like a pretzel, then you don't know what a pretzel looks like.

You're salty, like a pretzel
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841595 - 11/17/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: I don't even mention my main objection to the electoral college, and that is it makes three way races impossible.
If the electoral votes are split three ways and nobody gets 270 then the results of the election are invalidated and the House of Representatives gets to choose the president
Please justify that shit.
Three way races have been done before. More than three way races have been done before.
If you don't get 270 then the house votes for the President. I makes sense. There is no concensus in the general population therefore the elected government by the people for the people votes as to who should be President. Historically, the house voted for the one with the highest electoral college count. But it could go either way. When the general population can't make up their mind and the country needs a President, you let Congress decide.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Patlal]
#23841639 - 11/17/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you believe the house should choose the president this time there was no consensus in the general population? Or do you need to pretzel your argument a little?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
#23841648 - 11/17/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: So you believe the house should choose the president this time there was no consensus in the general population? Or do you need to pretzel your argument a little?
No pretzeling. If the people don't have a clear consensus of who the winner is, Somebody somewhaere HAS to make the decision because the nation can't go on without a President and there is nobody in better position to make a decision for the people than those who were elected by the people.
Or you could put the names of the candiate on a peg wheel and have a monkey spin it...
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