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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Malkuthian] * 2
    #23840856 - 11/17/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Where I come from the electoral system has been questioned for decades, regardless of who's running for president...




should every president be determined by a dozen large cities?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23840879 - 11/17/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You mean: should every president be determined by the majority of the population?

There are pros and cons with all systems, but you seem to be making the claim that it's not reasonable to question your current system. That claim is not reasonable.

It could be interesting to look outside the US to see how the rest of the western world handles the concept of democracy.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods] * 2
    #23840883 - 11/17/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Pat, the point is to change the system so second place losers don't get to win the trophy. We can all agree that kind of shit is stupid.



The people who are melting down over Trump winning are the same people who thought it was a "threat to democracy" when Trump said that he "might" accept the election results.


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Re: Clinton Won The Popular Vote By 202,340 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23840885 - 11/17/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Poxy 1 million votes for hilary are accounted for in the 55 college votes she got paid in Cal-eye-forn-eye-aye which is a full 50 more than the number of Syllables in that stinking Liberal Sodom. UKIP got 5 million votes and only 1 MP whilst the SNP took about 1.5 million votes and approx 20 MP's ? IT Happens.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Malkuthian]
    #23840901 - 11/17/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Malkuthian said:
You mean: should every president be determined by the majority of the population?

There are pros and cons with all systems, but you seem to be making the claim that it's not reasonable to question your current system. That claim is not reasonable.





you seem to be making shit up that I did not say and did not imply

I asked a simple question, should every president be determined by a dozen large cities?

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It could be interesting to look outside the US to see how the rest of the western world handles the concept of democracy.





the US is a republic, not a democracy. stop listening to the liberals skew it


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23840955 - 11/17/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Everything wrong is just liberal agenda in the media huh?

Ok let's see then I can be biased also. How well do you think Trump is going to do when you weight the statistics of Obama

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/

While show nothing but historical positive changes for the country with Trumps statistics:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/

Which show there's nothing in his life which didn't result in bankruptcy, and when he fixed his bankruptcy there was nothing any longer in his life that didn't involve a lawsuit.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

Not mention a lifetime of racist comments made by someone with such power that such rude and disrespectful behavior barely had any consequence on his life. That's real talk.


Still, hoping for the best.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: imachavel]
    #23840993 - 11/17/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Everything wrong is just liberal agenda in the media huh?

Ok let's see then I can be biased also. How well do you think Trump is going to do when you weight the statistics of Obama

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/





sure, let's weigh those statistics

"Since President Barack Obama first took office:

    Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged."

that should read "despite obama's efforts"

"The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has dropped to below the historical median."

hurray for part time and seasonal work, YAY, we've dropped millions of unemployed
from the unemployment rosters, that still dies nothing to change the labor
participation rate


"The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great Recession."

so wait. if 'obama' created 9 million jobs, how the fuck is anyone still unemployed


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23841043 - 11/17/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Still, my only hope for Trump is his success will be based on congress. He might be lucky enough to be so absurd that everyone will vote against every policy he has.

Overturning Obama's decisions is one thing. Implementing Trumps policies will spell disaster. Trump wanting to overturn policies that are 30 years old isn't too bright either.

Possibly Obama looked like he had more of a heartfelt expression on his face as he mocked disruptive corporate decisions that he helped finance and shot an unarmed man in the dark at 1 AM and didn't even bury the body. I mean his wife got first class treatment. He smiles a bit.

With Trump you have the wig. I'm not too fond of it. He is just mean, and racist. Obama smiled and grinned ear to ear before he fucked you in the ass. I prefer a little bit of subtlety from my tormentor.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23841053 - 11/17/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You want no unemployment? That is a disaster for an economy. It means it cannot expand. It means massive labor shortages and runaway inflation.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841064 - 11/17/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Clinton now has a 1,341,642 vote lead.

Now the conservatives are saying the US isn't really a democracy. Lol.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841072 - 11/17/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You want no unemployment? That is a disaster for an economy. It means it cannot expand. It means massive labor shortages and runaway inflation.




God forbid there's a tighter labor market to push wages higher.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23841100 - 11/17/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Malkuthian said:
You mean: should every president be determined by the majority of the population?

There are pros and cons with all systems, but you seem to be making the claim that it's not reasonable to question your current system. That claim is not reasonable.





you seem to be making shit up that I did not say and did not imply

I asked a simple question, should every president be determined by a dozen large cities?




I'm actually not sure which solution I find preferable.
Previously I thought it best with popular vote.
But I do live in a small part of my country far away from the big cities, and I do see idea behind giving the back country more power per capita. The big cities could not withstand without the rest of the country, but that does not mean they are interested in politics which serve those parts of the country. Still I do like the idea of democracy, which means equal power to every voter.

But all this is beside the point I was making:
It is completely reasonable to question the current system. It should be discussed.
Simply claiming that the critique is simply soar-ass lib-tard whining, is not reasonable. I admit it obviously is that to, but it's not ONLY that. There is actually well directed critique in there as well.


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It could be interesting to look outside the US to see how the rest of the western world handles the concept of democracy.




the US is a republic, not a democracy. stop listening to the liberals skew it




Ok fine, call it what you like, but it should still be interesting to look at how other parts of the western world is doing. US could learn something from others, who in many many ways are doing better than the US. I think the fact that the system is US is not seen in the rest of the western world is worth mentioning when someone is dismissed as a soar loser when stating that the system has flaws. It is an unusual system.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841151 - 11/17/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Where I come from the electoral system has been questioned for decades, regardless of who's running for president...




should every president be determined by a dozen large cities?




Yes! But only if those large cities are majority liberals!:psycrankey:


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods] * 1
    #23841177 - 11/17/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You want no unemployment? That is a disaster for an economy. It means it cannot expand. It means massive labor shortages and runaway inflation.





you are delusional


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841184 - 11/17/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Clinton now has a 1,341,642 vote lead.

Now the conservatives are saying the US isn't really a democracy. Lol.





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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: imachavel]
    #23841187 - 11/17/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Overturning Obama's decisions is one thing. Implementing Trumps policies will spell disaster. Trump wanting to overturn policies that are 30 years old isn't too bright either.





dont trump's policies entail overturning obama's LEGISLATION

but do tell, how will trump policies be a disaster?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23841198 - 11/17/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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imachavel said:
Overturning Obama's decisions is one thing. Implementing Trumps policies will spell disaster. Trump wanting to overturn policies that are 30 years old isn't too bright either.





dont trump's policies entail overturning obama's LEGISLATION

but do tell, how will trump policies be a disaster?




Haven't you heard? Undoing anything done by democrats will most certainly spell doom for the entire planet!:psycrankey:


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23841273 - 11/17/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Some of you are still bitching about the vote count huh?

You know you're just torturing yourselves at this point, right?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #23841318 - 11/17/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No I like hearing these conservatives twist themselves into a pretzel trying to justify an undemocratic rigged system that gives some voters more power than others.

If they had any intellectual honesty, they would agree that a system that favors one side over the other is fundamentally flawed. Instead, they defend it by saying that we need it because there are more liberals in the country and without the system liberals would win. The ends justify the means.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods] * 2
    #23841367 - 11/17/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, they're right cause no matter how much undemocratic you think it is, it's the current democratic system used to elect the President and has been for hundreds of years. It's in the constitution ans it has been signed off on by all the founding fathers. Your opinion of it doesn't matter. It was used and it has produced the results we currently have.

Now if you want to change that, Convince 3/4 of the States to vote with 2/3 of the voice to amend the constitution. Until then, the rules are the rules, they are written black on white and what you think of it will not matter until you have enough supporters to change it.

Also, the first 3 point given to every State by default is called the "what do I get if I join your Union" deal. Take away Wyoming's 3 points and they have no reason to stay in the Union, and the same thing is true for a dozen states in the similar situation. You can't expect a state to get on board with you and give them nothing  in return...

So for fuck sake, stop bitching.



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