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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: endogenous]
    #23953591 - 12/24/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The reason they thought that was because there was very limited media in the late 1700s. Duh.




Duh? Most people seem to not give a shit who their politicians are even today. Look at the voter participation rate. Ask a random 10 people who the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is. See how many of the justices they can name.

Hell, make it easier. Ask them to name who the representative for their district is.

Even with todays media and information being easily obtainable, they are woefully uniformed.

The reasons for the electoral college remain as valid today as when it was formed.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods] * 2
    #23953602 - 12/24/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Slavery was the reason for the civil war. Have you ever read the secession declarations made by the southern states? It was ALL about slavery.




:lolsy:

More koods revisionist 'fake news'.


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Lincoln’s decision to fight rather than to let the Southern states secede was not based on his feelings towards slavery.  Rather, he felt it was his sacred duty as President of the United States to preserve the Union at all costs.  His first inaugural address was an appeal to the rebellious states, seven of which had already seceded, to rejoin the nation.  His first draft of the speech ended with an ominous message: "Shall it be peace, or the sword?"




http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/biographies/abraham-lincoln.html#


It was a states rights/federal control issue.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
    #23953614 - 12/24/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
Slavery was the reason for the civil war. Have you ever read the secession declarations made by the southern states? It was ALL about slavery.






so let's ignore 100+ years of taxation/tarrifs and being shit upon by the north, in every economic way possible.  again, slavery was one portion of the totality of economic issues that fueled the divide.  the expanding north had nothing without the south, and the south wanted to be treated fairly and recognized as equal.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23953626 - 12/24/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

koods said:
Slavery was the reason for the civil war. Have you ever read the secession declarations made by the southern states? It was ALL about slavery.




:lolsy:

More koods revisionist 'fake news'.


Quote:

Lincoln’s decision to fight rather than to let the Southern states secede was not based on his feelings towards slavery.  Rather, he felt it was his sacred duty as President of the United States to preserve the Union at all costs.  His first inaugural address was an appeal to the rebellious states, seven of which had already seceded, to rejoin the nation.  His first draft of the speech ended with an ominous message: "Shall it be peace, or the sword?"




http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/biographies/abraham-lincoln.html#


It was a states rights/federal control issue.



States rights to have slaves.

I'm not talking about Lincoln. I'm talking about the southern states reasons for leaving. It was about about slavery. Why don't you read their own words.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html#


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: demiu5]
    #23953632 - 12/24/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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demiu5 said:
Quote:

koods said:
Slavery was the reason for the civil war. Have you ever read the secession declarations made by the southern states? It was ALL about slavery.






so let's ignore 100+ years of taxation/tarrifs and being shit upon by the north, in every economic way possible.  again, slavery was one portion of the totality of economic issues that fueled the divide.  the expanding north had nothing without the south, and the south wanted to be treated fairly and recognized as equal.




Revisionist history. I'm guessing you went to public school in the south. Do you also believe the earth is 6000 years old and that slaves were just African immigrants?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
    #23953646 - 12/24/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
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demiu5 said:
Quote:

koods said:
Slavery was the reason for the civil war. Have you ever read the secession declarations made by the southern states? It was ALL about slavery.






so let's ignore 100+ years of taxation/tarrifs and being shit upon by the north, in every economic way possible.  again, slavery was one portion of the totality of economic issues that fueled the divide.  the expanding north had nothing without the south, and the south wanted to be treated fairly and recognized as equal.




Revisionist history. I'm guessing you went to public school in the south. Do you also believe the earth is 6000 years old and that slaves were just African immigrants?






No and no



that's funny you dismiss it as "revisionist history" cause saying salvery is THE issue fueling civil war is reductionist history


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
    #23953649 - 12/24/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not talking about Lincoln. I'm talking about the southern states reasons for leaving. It was about about slavery. Why don't you read their own words.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html#




The civil war is something of great interest to me.

It was and remains a states rights/federal control issue. You trying to revise history won't wash.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: demiu5]
    #23953656 - 12/24/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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demiu5 said:
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koods said:
Quote:

demiu5 said:
Quote:

koods said:
Slavery was the reason for the civil war. Have you ever read the secession declarations made by the southern states? It was ALL about slavery.






so let's ignore 100+ years of taxation/tarrifs and being shit upon by the north, in every economic way possible.  again, slavery was one portion of the totality of economic issues that fueled the divide.  the expanding north had nothing without the south, and the south wanted to be treated fairly and recognized as equal.




Revisionist history. I'm guessing you went to public school in the south. Do you also believe the earth is 6000 years old and that slaves were just African immigrants?






No and no



that's funny you dismiss it as "revisionist history" cause saying salvery is THE issue fueling civil war is reductionist history




Read the documents I posted


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23953657 - 12/24/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers







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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
    #23953662 - 12/24/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

koods said:
Slavery was the reason for the civil war. Have you ever read the secession declarations made by the southern states? It was ALL about slavery.




:lolsy:

More koods revisionist 'fake news'.


Quote:

Lincoln’s decision to fight rather than to let the Southern states secede was not based on his feelings towards slavery.  Rather, he felt it was his sacred duty as President of the United States to preserve the Union at all costs.  His first inaugural address was an appeal to the rebellious states, seven of which had already seceded, to rejoin the nation.  His first draft of the speech ended with an ominous message: "Shall it be peace, or the sword?"




http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/biographies/abraham-lincoln.html#


It was a states rights/federal control issue.



States rights to have slaves.

I'm not talking about Lincoln. I'm talking about the southern states reasons for leaving. It was about about slavery. Why don't you read their own words.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html#




They're called minimum salary workers.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
    #23953677 - 12/24/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Koods is literally always wrong about everything.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #23953921 - 12/24/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Koods is literally always often wrong about everything many things.




It's his partisan hackery that fucks him.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
    #23954081 - 12/24/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Slavery was the reason for the civil war. Have you ever read the secession declarations made by the southern states? It was ALL about slavery.





if that were the case why did the emancipation proclamation not free slaves held in state not in secession?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
    #23954090 - 12/24/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not talking about Lincoln. I'm talking about the southern states reasons for leaving. It was about about slavery. Why don't you read their own words.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html#




lincoln started the civil war, the south decided to leave the union and lincoln
decided he'd fight to keep the union together, he didnt free the slaves in the
north so clearly the slavery wasnt an issue to lincoln, thus it was a federal
control issue as well as states rights


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23954802 - 12/24/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The reason they thought that was because there was very limited media in the late 1700s. Duh.




Duh? Most people seem to not give a shit who their politicians are even today. Look at the voter participation rate. Ask a random 10 people who the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is. See how many of the justices they can name.

Hell, make it easier. Ask them to name who the representative for their district is.

Even with todays media and information being easily obtainable, they are woefully uniformed.

The reasons for the electoral college remain as valid today as when it was formed.



And the people you brought up as examples are not elected by the electoral college.

So you're thinking people didn't know anything about Trump or Clinton?

In fact, the electoral college prevented those who WERE informed from prevailing and caused those who WEREN'T informed to succeed. Anyone who knew where Trump was at could see that his campaign promises were likely lies.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: demiu5]
    #23954823 - 12/24/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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A 2nd reason was the divide between the North and the South - i.e., slavery.









slavery was not "the divide" between the N and S


slavery was one factor in a much larger set of economic issues that helped fuel what eventually became the civil war.



"I run my plantation with slaves - if I didn't have slaves I would have no business. But it's economic issues that are my main concern - not the fact that I would have no business if I had no slaves."

Uh huh.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: endogenous]
    #23954918 - 12/24/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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And the people you brought up as examples are not elected by the electoral college.




:facepalm: They point doesn't require them to be.


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So you're thinking people didn't know anything about Trump or Clinton?




I think many, if not most, voted party. which is as it always is. And I think most people did no real research into either candidate and instead went by the pithy sound bite of the day.


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In fact, the electoral college prevented those who WERE informed from prevailing and caused those who WEREN'T informed to succeed.




:lolsy: Because those who didn't vote for Hillary couldn't possibly disagree with her positions. Thanks for demonstrating why one of the many reasons Hillary lost.

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Anyone who knew where Trump was at could see that his campaign promises were likely lies.




Anyone who knew where Hillary was at could see that her campaign promises were likely lies. So what? They both sucked.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: endogenous]
    #23955029 - 12/24/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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endogenous said:
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demiu5 said:
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endogenous said:

A 2nd reason was the divide between the North and the South - i.e., slavery.









slavery was not "the divide" between the N and S


slavery was one factor in a much larger set of economic issues that helped fuel what eventually became the civil war.



"I run my plantation with slaves - if I didn't have slaves I would have no business. But it's economic issues that are my main concern - not the fact that I would have no business if I had no slaves."

Uh huh.





way to make up and pull "quotes" from your ass



that is incredibly wrong.  the plantation owners, which were few and far between in relation to the number of destitute sharecroppers, most of which didn't have slaves, could have still turned huge profits, but they would have had to pay the "slaves" a fair wage for the time and conditions.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: demiu5]
    #23955142 - 12/24/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



If you voted for this man, you're a fucking idiot

You can "qoute" me on that


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
    #23955144 - 12/24/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

agreed dude Trump is like the end of western civilization. Good thing we ain't fallin for it!


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