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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23951597 - 12/23/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: They like the system because it's how they get to win elections despite losing by 2.1% you can argue that it's unjust until you're blue in the face but it won't matter because conservatives fundamentally lack a sense of justice. That is part of their core character that makes them conservatives. They don't give a shit about anyone outside of their group. If they did they would be liberals.
The stupidity in that post is monumental.
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koods said: They like the system because it's how they get to win elections despite losing by 2.1% you can argue that it's unjust until you're blue in the face but it won't matter because conservatives fundamentally lack a sense of justice. That is part of their core character that makes them conservatives. They don't give a shit about anyone outside of their group. If they did they would be liberals.
Lol god damn this is bullshit. Why do you guys give a shit about popular vote? The system is based on electoral college, everyone knows this. You complaining about this is like "I lost my game of chess because they took my queen BUT I TOOK MORE OF THEIR PIECES!"
So what?
If you want to win the presidency, campaign in states where you need it to give you 270. She failed, and now people think it's a conspiracy, they're retarded.
Conspiracy? Where do you get that from?
The system sucks. It gives small states more power than large states. Again. You like it because it allows conservatives to win despite being outnumbered by liberals. It's affirmative action for republicans.
based on your logic, conservatives would always have an upper hand, which should translate into conservatives consistently winning elections
the only "stupid" thing about the electoral college, imo, is this:
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if all other states didn't have an all votes go to the majority system, things would be much more fair
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: demiu5]
#23951627 - 12/23/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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based on your logic, conservatives would always have an upper hand, which should translate into conservatives consistently winning elections
They do have an upper hand. That's how they have won two elections in the past 16 years despite receiving fewer votes.
I don't see how having a slight advantage means conservatives will always win. Your logic escapes me. There are more liberals in the country. The liberal candidate has received more votes in every presidential election since 1992 except 2004. Having an electoral advantage doesn't mean you always win.
I don't think you understand that small states are more heavily weighted in the electoral college. Like I said, if states were weighted equally based on population. Clinton would have received 277 electoral votes.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23951628 - 12/23/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Are the people of the districts not voting for the representatives of their state?
No they are not. They are voting for a representative for their district.
So their district is not in their state?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23951635 - 12/23/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: based on the idea that many people in back country could not make it to the polls to vote so the delegates were appointed to make a an educated guess by an informal survey of the people in their district.
Except, no. It was and is to keep the larger states from crapping on the smaller.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23951643 - 12/23/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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based on your logic, conservatives would always have an upper hand, which should translate into conservatives consistently winning elections
They do have an upper hand. That's how they have won two elections in the past 16 years despite receiving fewer votes.
I don't see how having a slight advantage means conservatives will always win. Your logic escapes me. There are more liberals in the country. The liberal candidate has received more votes in every presidential election since 1992 except 2004. Having an electoral advantage doesn't mean you always win.
I don't think you understand that small states are more heavily weighted in the electoral college. Like I said, if states were weighted equally based on population. Clinton would have received 277 electoral votes.
consistent =/= always
are all republicans conservatives, and all democrats liberals in your world?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23951651 - 12/23/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: There are more liberals in the country.
There are more people registered as Dems. That doesn't mean there are more liberals. If there actually were more liberals, we'd be swearing Hillary in come January.
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I don't think you understand that small states are more heavily weighted in the electoral college.
We vote by state. As such, there is no weighting of the votes of the residents of the states.
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Like I said, if states were weighted equally based on population. Clinton would have received 277 electoral votes.
Except the campaign would have been a different one. As such, you have no idea who would have won.
And now, come January 20th... Trump will be your President.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23951657 - 12/23/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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if all other states didn't have an all votes go to the majority system, things would be much more fair
If we are going to talk about fairness then let's start with the fact that California gets one electoral vote per 727k people, while Wyoming gets one electoral vote per 195k people.
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There are more people registered as Dems. That doesn't mean there are more liberals. If there actually were more liberals, we'd be swearing Hillary in come January.
She got 2.9 million more votes. There is no way you can argue that there were more republican voters than democrats. The electoral college isn't people, you've already stated that a million times.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23951673 - 12/23/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. Free and Fair Elections
In any State the authority of the government can only derive from the will of the people as expressed in genuine, free and fair elections held at regular intervals on the basis of universal, equal and secret suffrage. 2. Voting and Elections Rights
(1) Every adult citizen has the right to vote in elections, on a non-discriminatory basis.
(2) Every adult citizen has the right to access to an effective, impartial and non-discriminatory procedure for the registration of voters.
(3) No eligible citizen shall be denied the right to vote or disqualified from registration as a voter, otherwise than in accordance with objectively verifiable criteria prescribed by law, and provided that such measures are consistent with the State's obligations under international law.
(4) Every individual who is denied the right to vote or to be registered as a voter shall be entitled to appeal to a jurisdiction competent to review such decisions and to correct errors promptly and effectively.
(5) Every voter has the right to equal and effective access to a polling station in order to exercise his or her right to vote.
(6) Every voter is entitled to exercise his or her right equally with others and to have his or her vote accorded equivalent weight to that of others.
(7) The right to vote in secret is absolute and shall not be restricted in any manner whatsoever.
Again, I understand why conservatives like the electoral college. Without it, the last republican president would have left office on January 20, 1993
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23951676 - 12/23/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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if all other states didn't have an all votes go to the majority system, things would be much more fair
If we are going to talk about fairness then let's start with the fact that California gets one electoral vote per 727k people, while Wyoming gets one electoral vote per 195k people.
As we vote for President by state, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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There are more people registered as Dems. That doesn't mean there are more liberals. If there actually were more liberals, we'd be swearing Hillary in come January.
She got 2.9 million more votes. There is no way you can argue that there were more republican voters than democrats. The electoral college isn't people, you've already stated that a million times.
Head out of your ass koodsie. I didn't say there were more Rep than Dem voters. I said if there were more liberals, Hillary would have won. What a shame you can't recognize the difference.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods] 1
#23951679 - 12/23/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: 1. Free and Fair Elections
We have free and fair elections now.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
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totally for sensible electoral college reform. I think human electors should go away. The electoral votes should be mathematical representation of the popular vote in each state, not an actual body of real people. Electoral votes should be bound by federal law and uniform across states. Electoral votes should be given out by districts and not a winner take all approach for the entire state.
Clinton 263 Trump 262 Johnson 10 Stein 2 McMullin 1
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: Webster10]
#23952471 - 12/23/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wait Jill Stein beat someone she did better than I had previously heard
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
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twighead said: Why would you want Pence? 
Because he's a sore loser and got 1 to many participation trophies as a child.
You guys clearly did. Thinking trump has a mandate with his -2.1% margin of victory. Enjoy the next four years not getting any respect.
Not getting any respect? Who cares what the butt-hurt clowns on the left feel> We are getting plenty of respect now from other countries, because they know who they are dealing with.
I really got a warm fuzzy from the fucking disgusting horse's ass that is currently in the whitehouse leaving while his legacy is being disassembled.
It's called fucking KHARMA.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: koods]
#23953102 - 12/24/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: do you not understand that a North Dakota or Wyoming or Alaska or Montana vote is worth more than twice that of a California vote according to the electoral college?
We vote for President by state, not nationally.
If you're in California, your vote counts as 1 person, just like every Californian.
If you're in New York, your vote counts as 1 person, just like every New Yorker.
If you're in North Dakota, your vote counts 1 person, just like every North Dakotan..
This isn't rocket science and those who can't grasp this simple concept should be embarrassed mortified.
We vote by state in the hope that the one your state votes for will be the next President. Just like you vote for the Representatives and Senators for your state.
States don't vote for representatives, districts do.
Representatives elected by districts Senators elected by states Presidents should be elected by the nation
presidents are elected by states as well, states can be seen as districts, there were 50 districts called states and they voted for the president
the states voted for trump
except like 5 of them, they voted for the fleabag
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: EarthTalker]
#23953369 - 12/24/16 04:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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EarthTalker said: Unless it's already been said for an umpteenth time, we live in a federal republic for a reason, as this problem dated back to the earliest days of the country when the Founding Fathers were afraid of Pennsylvania and Massachusetts dominating the rest of the United States; Smaller states like Maine and Rhode Island were reluctant at joining the union until they were certain that they would have guarantees against the hegemony of larger states.
It's a system that has worked well for centuries. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
Incorrect.
The founders originally thought that the ordinary people didn't have enough information to be able to know what the candidates stood for. So they had them vote for local people whose positions they knew.
A 2nd reason was the divide between the North and the South - i.e., slavery.
The south had alot of slaves but not alot of white males. The electoral college allowed the slaves to be counted (as three-fifths of a person.) This allowed Virginia to dominate and for 32 of the Constitution’s first 36 years, a white slaveholding Virginian was president.
This also encouraged slavery since the more slaves there were, the more electoral votes the state would get. In fact, Jefferson won the presidency because of the number of slaves in Virginia.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: endogenous]
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At least you got this part right:
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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The reason they thought that was because there was very limited media in the late 1700s. Duh.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: endogenous]
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Why does it matter how much media we have now since their goal isn't to educate viewers but rather to keep them uninformed and drive their own narrative
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: endogenous]
#23953560 - 12/24/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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A 2nd reason was the divide between the North and the South - i.e., slavery.
slavery was not "the divide" between the N and S
slavery was one factor in a much larger set of economic issues that helped fuel what eventually became the civil war.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 2.5 Million Votes [Re: demiu5]
#23953577 - 12/24/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Slavery was the reason for the civil war. Have you ever read the secession declarations made by the southern states? It was ALL about slavery.
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