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Patlal
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Will California secede?
#23816940 - 11/09/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's an overwhelming amount of butthurt in California. Enough for the rapid and solid creation of a secession movement...
Are you Americans worried about this?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal] 2
#23816960 - 11/09/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: JvF] 11
#23816966 - 11/09/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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One time I got a piece of hard corn stuck up my nose.
That shit SUCKED. I had to go to the hospital like a 4 year old douche. Everyone was like "Ya happens to everyone, mine was a marble blablabla"
I don't stuff things that big in my nose anymore, but I would sure love some fucking drugs.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
#23816967 - 11/09/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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#Califrexit
i've been saying this for years. We don't need the dead weight states. The rest of the west coast is welcome to come with us though. with any luck, Trump will build a wall around us.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa] 3
#23816970 - 11/09/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good riddance.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Capers]
#23816972 - 11/09/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So who's gonna post tool first?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: vandago]
#23816983 - 11/09/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would so love Cascadia to be a thing
we can invent some sort of virus to spread in the middle states and provinces, from Alberta to Florida, who need's em.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Capers]
#23816988 - 11/09/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rise up, people of California. Fuck the system.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Ezuma] 2
#23816990 - 11/09/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The amount of talk of poisoning, murdering, political warfare, chemical warfare, etc.....it's been thickening.
Like.....
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: vandago] 1
#23817014 - 11/09/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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vandago said: The amount of talk of poisoning, murdering, political warfare, chemical warfare, etc.....it's been thickening.
Like.....
don't worry I've always been misanthropic. A good 50-60% of people are dead weight, including many liberals.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: vandago] 1
#23817016 - 11/09/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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High Pot. Meet kettle.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
#23817024 - 11/09/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Probably not.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: vandago]
#23817029 - 11/09/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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vandago said: High Pot. Meet kettle.
no hypocrisy, I've never claimed I was opposed to mass murder (alright I'm being facetious. Can't blame the libs or conservatives for what their overlords tell them to believe, true enough)
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: vandago]
#23817053 - 11/09/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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vandago said: So who's gonna post tool first?
here ya go:
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23817067 - 11/09/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks ballsalsa. Now this thread is in the proper shroomy direction.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Ezuma]
#23817090 - 11/09/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: I would so love Cascadia to be a thing
we can invent some sort of virus to spread in the middle states and provinces, from Alberta to Florida, who need's em.
If you want to create that virus, you'll have to get california on board. That would be a powerful coastal alliance.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
#23817100 - 11/09/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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Ezuma said: I would so love Cascadia to be a thing
we can invent some sort of virus to spread in the middle states and provinces, from Alberta to Florida, who need's em.
If you want to create that virus, you'll have to get california on board. That would be a powerful coastal alliance.

who else is gonna finance the thing? oregon?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23817109 - 11/09/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:
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Patlal said:
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Ezuma said: I would so love Cascadia to be a thing
we can invent some sort of virus to spread in the middle states and provinces, from Alberta to Florida, who need's em.
If you want to create that virus, you'll have to get california on board. That would be a powerful coastal alliance.

who else is gonna finance the thing? oregon?
The citizens. Mandatory 50% tax rate for everybody.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
#23817139 - 11/09/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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Patlal said:
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Ezuma said: I would so love Cascadia to be a thing
we can invent some sort of virus to spread in the middle states and provinces, from Alberta to Florida, who need's em.
If you want to create that virus, you'll have to get california on board. That would be a powerful coastal alliance.

who else is gonna finance the thing? oregon?
The citizens. Mandatory 50% tax rate for everybody.
it may just be worth it
(and of course we'll take california psh, where else would we get money from all we got up here is water, trees and weed)
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
#23817222 - 11/09/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: There's an overwhelming amount of butthurt in California. Enough for the rapid and solid creation of a secession movement...
Are you Americans worried about this?
If Cali could print their own currency their constant deficits wouldn't be an issue because they could devalue their currency every year, making all of their people poorer. Of course it would fail like every other experiment in collectivism has. I'd say in 15-20 years a "Republic of California would have failed state status and civil war everywhere.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
#23817640 - 11/09/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: There's an overwhelming amount of butthurt in California. Enough for the rapid and solid creation of a secession movement...
Are you Americans worried about this?
Patlal I have literally never seen you make a thread about your own politics. Do you totally agree with them? Or are you totally ignoring them like that mysterious growth because you don't want to deal with something that personally affects you?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
#23817662 - 11/09/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: There's an overwhelming amount of butthurt in California. Enough for the rapid and solid creation of a secession movement...
Are you Americans worried about this?
I don't give a fuck about California anyway. If they secede let them take Oregon and Washington with them. Places I don't hate necessarily, but they should be their own country anyway. Weird ass places
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: imachavel]
#23817817 - 11/09/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think they share too much infrastructure with the rest of the US to secede
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal] 3
#23817828 - 11/09/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, we're just gonna get really baked.
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California may as well not even be part of the united states neveda too seriously you people are grasping at straws for what people think is american we might be unhappy to see hollywood and disney world go but...
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Konyap]
#23817843 - 11/09/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where will you get your produce?
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#23817844 - 11/09/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not Disneyland! Oh the humanity! Why!?!?!
Where will you get your water?
Don't you guys have to import a lot of it? I'm under informed as the election made everyone completely forget about shit that's actually going on.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Shroomism]
#23817847 - 11/09/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Where will you get your produce?
I don't eat hipster fag almonds lol cashews baby
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Konyap]
#23817930 - 11/09/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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california wouldnt last one month if they did secede... to many damned leeches on the system to make it work.
plus all the water and electricity, phone lines all that shit... they would never be able to pull it off.
but if they did, adios
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Shroomism]
#23817943 - 11/09/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Where will you get your produce?
aka "We're fucked".
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal] 2
#23818022 - 11/10/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought everyone was going to move to Canada. With as many Canadians there are here at the Shroomery, we could have a shroomery Canadian roommate locator thread. The Canadian immigration site crashed and people will be hopping the fence to get out soon.
Are you eligible to move to Canada? Immigration website crashes as Trump wins White House victory and thousands vow to move across border
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3918994/Canada-s-immigration-website-crashes-Trump-White-House-victory-looks-imminent.html
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The first thing I thought of when reading the thread title was the song "Ænema" by Tool. That and the fact that every product made has been shown to cause cancer in California.
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Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks
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Fret for your figure and Fret for your latte and Fret for your lawsuit and Fret for your hairpiece and Fret for your Prozac and Fret for your pilot and Fret for your contract and Fret for your car.
It's a bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks....
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: rackem]
#23818150 - 11/10/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rackem said: california wouldnt last one month if they did secede... to many damned leeches on the system to make it work.
plus all the water and electricity, phone lines all that shit... they would never be able to pull it off.
but if they did, adios
Not even close. They'd fall into anarchy in a week. Guaranteed. I'd bet a lot of there food comes from the Midwest to feed 55 electoral votes worth of people. They barely even have water. So they are obviously not growing much.
I highly doubt they have the farms to put meat on the table. California would rip eachother apart when they realize weed isn't actually full of nutrition the body needs.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23818156 - 11/10/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everything would fall apart immediately. As the US government isnt gonna be like alright bye best of luck. Sanctions immediately. All your cell phones, Internet, food, water would be gone.
As the companies that provide that to you aren't government. They also supply many other states sometimes all 50 with that. Silicon Valley would just set up shop somewhere else. It wouldn't be hard. That would be the dumbest shit California could do.
Say goodbye to your oil. It would turn into a purge. A month would probably be accurate as 38 million regressed to fighting over resources as simple as food and water. Obviously all the smart would abandon ship and hope to seek asylum.
But just like the people who think they can go to Canada or any country really for a live in visa and residency. They only want you if you have a degree in something useful. Engineering, etc. Your liberal arts degree will not be enough.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23818199 - 11/10/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you said it in more words than i did but i agree with you.
i know wayyy too many people down there that dont work, dont do shit, just week in and week out get a check for stupid shit and they are ok with it. blows my mind.
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CookieCrumbs said:
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Patlal said: There's an overwhelming amount of butthurt in California. Enough for the rapid and solid creation of a secession movement...
Are you Americans worried about this?
Patlal I have literally never seen you make a thread about your own politics. Do you totally agree with them? Or are you totally ignoring them like that mysterious growth because you don't want to deal with something that personally affects you?
I don't totally agree about them.
Canadian politics have 0 impact in the world
This is an American website where no American give a shit about anything else than America.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal] 1
#23818682 - 11/10/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's illegal for any state to secede. the civil war and its aftermath have long established that. see texas v. white.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho] 1
#23818770 - 11/10/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not even close. They'd fall into anarchy in a week. Guaranteed. I'd bet a lot of there food comes from the Midwest to feed 55 electoral votes worth of people. They barely even have water. So they are obviously not growing much.
I highly doubt they have the farms to put meat on the table. California would rip eachother apart when they realize weed isn't actually full of nutrition the body needs.

California is an agricultural state. If you live in th U.S. we probably grew your fresh produce. As for "meat on the table", happy cows come from California bro. We also produce tons of eggs.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: millzy]
#23818793 - 11/10/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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millzy said: it's illegal for any state to secede.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
#23818819 - 11/10/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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They don't have the balls to secede.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
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People seceded because they don't agree with the laws.
I heard texas has a stipulation in their whatever agreement noting that they have the right to succeed but chose to rejoin? Just what I heard.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: King Klick]
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Whatever California has become quite a laughingstock. Jerry Brown is a douche of douches. Honestly California is not even worth discussing,turn your heads away from us with shame
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: King Klick]
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millzy said: it's illegal for any state to secede.
People seceded because they don't agree with the laws.
I heard texas has a stipulation in their whatever agreement noting that they have the right to succeed but chose to rejoin? Just what I heard.
Yep Taexas is a republic that decided to be play along this United States idea and see what happens.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Are you Americans worried about this?
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Patlal said: Are you Americans worried about this?
lol. shouldnt you be asking if we hope it happens.
I don't know man. The future of the planet is the gradual elimination of borders. Unfortunately, after 40000 years of existence, humans still cant get along with each other. Even after the WW2 disaster, the only thing we all agree on is that it was bad...
I'm starting to believe that only an alien attack would unite humanity... As ridiculous as this might sound, it's still more plausible than eliminating polarizing issues such as religion and government management.
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Patlal said: Are you Americans worried about this?
lol. shouldnt you be asking if we hope it happens.
I don't know man. The future of the planet is the gradual elimination of borders.
says who Mr.Globalism
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Patlal said: Are you Americans worried about this?
lol. shouldnt you be asking if we hope it happens.
I don't know man. The future of the planet is the gradual elimination of borders.
says who Mr.Globalism
Says every dystopian novel ever written. Don't get me wrong though. I'd rather be an isolated country at this point. Far easier to maintain until our destruction.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: King Klick]
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says who Mr.Globalism
Says every dystopian novel ever written. Don't get me wrong though. I'd rather be an isolated country at this point. Far easier to maintain until our destruction.
so fiction writes are the ones determining our future. I hope those seeking globalism enjoy a life in abject poverty where every day is a struggle for survival
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millzy said: it's illegal for any state to secede.
People seceded because they don't agree with the laws.
not without the might of the united states military up their asses. could california or texas secede? they could try. but if they seriously tried the federal government would designate those state governments as rebel entities and swiftly, and violently, take control. it wouldn't be a 'brexit'. and the u.s. would be perfectly within its rights to treat secession in such a high handed way because, per the precedent of texas v. white, states are in an "insolvable union" with each other. any attempt to break that union would be viewed as treasonous.
lawmakers know this too by the way. they just love to stir people up with this sort of talk.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: millzy]
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Nope, they would only do so is something REALLY bad happened. In that case it would not be so much sucession as reorganizing for survival.
Most likely: The US will break up along geological regions more so than actual political lines. Likely California and the PNW will become a country in it's own right. A lot of the middle western states where water needs to be piped in will be in essence no mans land. The plains states of the midwest will form a country that will have a very porus border with Canada or what's left of it. The great lakes states will unite as an independant allience. The southern states will also form an allience, except for Texas which could either join them or operate as it's own country. The northeastern US will likely form a union as well.
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Ya that's what I was thinking. But what's nice about being one union is the fact you can pretty much go anywhere. If you don't like certain laws or things about one state. Say pot. You can always move to Colorado no questions asked.
I doubt it's as easy for someone in Germany to move to france.
I could buy a ticket and be on the east coast tomorrow if I so chose to do.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
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0% chance they secede. The state is dead broke and can't afford to.
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How can it be broke? It's run by democrats 
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there would never be secession without war. if the u.s. ever breaks up, it will be after a serious conflict. i don't even want to think about what that would be like, much less the consequences. even after the split there would always be the risk of more provocations, more conflict. nobody in their right mind would want that. we just need to fix some serious problems that are long overdue for fixing and get on with being america, imo.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal] 1
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It'd be cool if all the pacific coast states banded together and formed a new country. Nevada can come too, they're cool like us.
California is now the fifth largest economy in the world, we'd be fine on our own. Be careful what you wish for, we pay more into the federal government in taxes than most of your states combined. All of your taxes would go up if we left.
Still, I'd only leave if at least oregon and washington came with us, and hopefully we'd get BC and nevada to come with us too.
Also, in reality it's never going to happen.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: nooneman]
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^ This. A couple idiots hashtagging #CalExit does not make a state secede.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Shroomism]
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that doesnt mean we cant set charges, break it loose from the mainland and banish them, with all those peeps in so cal, it's likely to capsize anyway
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Not going to happen least of all in Pacific Coast states and PNW. A good %'age of the state's land belongs to the Federal Government.
Like most liberal concepts : big on irrationality and pipe dream .. small on #'s and $'s.
Figure #1 : Federal Land in the West

Figure #2/#3 : Feds own the water supply :


Facts : California is primarily a desert climate state that survives by water distribution from Federal water sheds. Out of state water comes from Federal projects like Lake Mead. In state, the snow cap run-off is from federal land.
California is still in a Historic Drought. Not a good look on self-sustainability. The Federal Government would and should have every right to hit any state who tries this where it counts.
California's debt :

State bonds secure lower rates as there is the potential for fed bailouts should things get ugly. Having Seceded, no such protection exists and California's debt rates would soar.
Import Tariffs For any company Headquartered in California. Say good-bye to California's GDP.
Tax myth California receives [disregarding all sorts of things like Social security/etc] : $0.79 for every $1 it pays in federal tax. Essentially, California only pays a 20% effective tax rate of the amount that goes to Federal tax. Things like Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security/etc aren't factored into that. Subsidies for electric cars aren't factored in. All sorts of things aren't factored in. So, using back hand math that shrinks to 10%. $0.90 for every dollar paid.
Soaring bond rates, import tarrifs (you're a foreign country). The feds slicing the state off from federal land and charging California market rates for water export would negate the other 10% and send California quickly into the red. Corporations would relocate.. Many already have for tax purposes to avoid California's state taxes : http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/business/apples-tax-strategy-aims-at-low-tax-states-and-nations.html
The state would literally bleed dry and that would be the end of the story as it would for any PNW state that tried it.
Again, the Federal government owns most of the land and California's lofty GDP number isn't what its cracked up to be given that most of the corporations operate outside of the states bounds w.r.t to manufacturing and capital holdings.
California's GDP is a cloud of bullshit when you actually look at where the money is held w.r.t corporations that they claim for GDP purposes ...

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement
If corporations aren't paying Federal taxes you think they're paying California?

There's a reason why California runs tens of billions of dollars of deficits a year and it feels like its stuck in the 70s/80s w.r.t infrastructure
GDP my ass...
California taxes people not corporations :

We haven't even gotten into Federal highways and railroads. Federal power distribution. Federal gas pipelines.
Last but not least California's stated GDP number is : $2.48 trillion dollars It's tax revenue is $112 billion Making its state tax revenue 5% of GDP
 Conclusion : California's GDP number is BULLSHIT.
America would be fine w/o California as the corporations that comprise its GDP numbers don't pay federal taxes. Given that they'd now be considered external to the U.S, the U.S government would actually finally get its share of taxation via import tariffs. California on the other hand would be fucked sideways.
With all this being said, anyone want to take a wild guess what percentage of the protestors understand these fundamentals? What percentage of those do you think even have an iota as to how the federal government functions and how to deal w/ issues like $20 trillion worth of debt? This is why you don't like cry babies and clowns dictate the direction of your country. They'll leave you poor and destitute.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: phio]
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You put a lot of effort into that. Jimmies rustled much?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Cali doesn't not have the want or the wherewithal to secede. Don't be dumb OP. Fuck what happened on so many levels, but we are still all in it together.
Maybe these workers that lost their jobs to mechanization will realize in 4 years that robots aren't Mexicans. Probs not though.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: phio]
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:clap:
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But for reals.
Can North and South Dakota stop their senseless war and resolve their differences to become a United Dakota?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: nooneman]
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Took 10min I think. All of the points were easily referenced as I have previously done related research in search of tax shelters and to develop future outlooks for the state for investment purposes (bonds/etc). Also, I type fast.
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Good riddance. Bye bye, bitches.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-10/oakland-mayor-explains-why-local-police-cant-stop-looting-rioters
***fucking idiots
people want to know why the police have become a military force, as I've said before, it's a direct response to the events that occur warranted a heavy police response. it's purely reactionary.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Their idiocy is showing
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-10/oakland-mayor-explains-why-local-police-cant-stop-looting-rioters
***fucking idiots
people want to know why the police have become a military force, as I've said before, it's a direct response to the events that occur warranted a heavy police response. it's purely reactionary.
They get military equipment to spend money on shit to keep getting federal funding.
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DustyBottoms said: 0% chance they secede. The state is dead broke and can't afford to.
How can it be broke? It's run by democrats 
***everyone knows democrats are super smart and geniuses and shit 
It's not broke. It had a billion dollar surplus last year.
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No but this is funny as fuck
People on the right were calling for obama's assassination and now people on the left are calling for trump's and it's accepted as being ok. Texas wanted to secede when obama was elected and now California wants to secede because trump.
All I see is a brain washed false dichotomy to keep people fighting among themselves
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: koods]
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DustyBottoms said: 0% chance they secede. The state is dead broke and can't afford to.
How can it be broke? It's run by democrats 
***everyone knows democrats are super smart and geniuses and shit 
It's not broke. It had a billion dollar surplus last year.
someone had to say it.
Without CA, NY, TX, and MA, the deadweight states would die on the vine.

Here's another one that shows the data for each state between 1984 and 2005.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005
Any state getting more than $1.00 per, is leaching off of the productive states that are getting less than $1.00 per. I know that is a tough concept for some people to understand, so i will give an example
Lets say I'm CA, Pris is NM, and koods is the Federal Government. We each give $10 to koods. koods turns around and gives me back $7.70, and hands $20.00 to Pris. Try to consider how fucked New Mexico would be without California around to pay the bills for them.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Horseshit
The fact is California has more rich celebrities, the east coast has rich Wall Street types, neither actully produce anything,
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yeah, we're just hitching a free ride from the hardworking people of Missippi and West Virginia. 
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The fact is, California has more everything. 10% of the country lives here. You think we're all rich celebrities? Do you ever listen to yourself?
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Most of west coast is federal land. California really doesn't own shit.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
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Enjoywho said: Most of west coast is federal land. California really doesn't own shit.
They own movies and shit
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
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Enjoywho said: Most of west coast is federal land. California really doesn't own shit.
right, and the state of California is part of the U.S. In this hypothetical secession scenario, what difference does it make, in your mind, whether land is "federal" or not? Like, do you think California would secede, but be like "you can keep the parts that are federal land" or something?
you're pretty down on California. makes me wonder which deadweight state you live in.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa]
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How can it be broke? It's run by democrats 
***everyone knows democrats are super smart and geniuses and shit 
It's not broke. It had a billion dollar surplus last year.
someone had to say it.
Without CA, NY, TX, and MA, the deadweight states would die on the vine.

Here's another one that shows the data for each state between 1984 and 2005.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005
Any state getting more than $1.00 per, is leaching off of the productive states that are getting less than $1.00 per. I know that is a tough concept for some people to understand, so i will give an example
Lets say I'm CA, Pris is NM, and koods is the Federal Government. We each give $10 to koods. koods turns around and gives me back $7.70, and hands $20.00 to Pris. Try to consider how fucked New Mexico would be without California around to pay the bills for them.
Made a post that refutes all of these silly points.. maybe you should read it : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23821461#23821461
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: nooneman]
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California is now the fifth largest economy in the world, we'd be fine on our own. Be careful what you wish for, we pay more into the federal government in taxes than most of your states combined. All of your taxes would go up if we left.
Still, I'd only leave if at least oregon and washington came with us, and hopefully we'd get BC and nevada to come with us too.
Also, in reality it's never going to happen.
you described my heaven and I agree won't happen, beyond ridiculous unforeseen developments that would have to be centuries down the line... so effectively never
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Enjoywho said: Most of west coast is federal land. California really doesn't own shit.
right, and the state of California is part of the U.S. In this hypothetical secession scenario, what difference does it make, in your mind, whether land is "federal" or not? Like, do you think California would secede, but be like "you can keep the parts that are federal land" or something?
you're pretty down on California. makes me wonder which deadweight state you live in.
If you're informed on the matter, It's an asinine scenario that will never happen and most of your talking points are bunk. Paying 20% tax to the federal govt to be a part of the U.S is a gift. Its like people aren't capable of basic math.
And why in the world do you think California gets taxed? Because it has an insane cost of living compared to the rest of the U.S.
As for how many federal dollars it gets back given how much US Citizens who reside in it pay to the federal government. You want our govt spending money in the most expensive state in the U.S for govt services? Use your brain and stop using silly statistics that carry no meaning. California doesn't pay shit to the federal govt. nor do the corporations that it claims results in its 2 Trillion+ GDP. Residents aka American citizens pay the taxes.
As for what state I reside in : California... I love it and I'm paying silly insane taxes at the state and federal level... but you don't see me behaving like a rabid sports fan in defense of their state and idiotic scenarios.
Given a 2.2 trillion dollar GDP, if you actually believe that silly ass number California should be pulling in way more than 112 billion dollars a year in tax revenue. Most of California's companies avoid state and federal taxes and that lofty GDP reflects international profits that never touch U.S soil.
Get over the pipe dream ...
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of course it will never happen. If it did(by referendum), at most it would be a symbolic gesture.
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Paying 20% tax to the federal govt to be a part of the U.S is a gift. Its like people aren't capable of basic math.
you know what would be an even better gift? getting a 200% tax credit from the federal government for being part of the U.S. like New Mexico does.
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And why in the world do you think California gets taxed? Because it has an insane cost of living compared to the rest of the U.S.
And therefore wages are higher? am i following? maybe you should elaborate.
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As for how many federal dollars it gets back given how much US Citizens who reside in it pay to the federal government. You want our govt spending money in the most expensive state in the U.S for govt services?
I would like to see a more equitable distribution of federal dollars. So, yes, i guess.
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Use your brain and stop using silly statistics that carry no meaning. California doesn't pay shit to the federal govt. nor do the corporations that it claims results in its 2 Trillion+ GDP. Residents aka American citizens pay the taxes.
Thats right, and Residents should get the benefit of those taxes.
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As for what state I reside in : California... I love it and I'm paying silly insane taxes at the state and federal level... but you don't see me behaving like a rabid sports fan in defense of their state and idiotic scenarios.
Don't take it too seriously...I don't. It's just fun to banter with these arkies and okies who think that they would be better off without California.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23824085 - 11/11/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: Most of west coast is federal land. California really doesn't own shit.
right, and the state of California is part of the U.S. In this hypothetical secession scenario, what difference does it make, in your mind, whether land is "federal" or not? Like, do you think California would secede, but be like "you can keep the parts that are federal land" or something?
you're pretty down on California. makes me wonder which deadweight state you live in.
I live in Washington...
And would not like to have California weighing us down.
No thanks with that pnw crap. Well California isn't even pnw.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-10/oakland-mayor-explains-why-local-police-cant-stop-looting-rioters
***fucking idiots
people want to know why the police have become a military force, as I've said before, it's a direct response to the events that occur warranted a heavy police response. it's purely reactionary.
They get military equipment to spend money on shit to keep getting federal funding.
what can military equipment spend money on? how does it get the money?
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#23824695 - 11/12/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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phio said: If you're informed on the matter, It's an asinine scenario that will never happen and most of your talking points are bunk.
of course it will never happen. If it did(by referendum), at most it would be a symbolic gesture.
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Paying 20% tax to the federal govt to be a part of the U.S is a gift. Its like people aren't capable of basic math.
you know what would be an even better gift? getting a 200% tax credit from the federal government for being part of the U.S. like New Mexico does.
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And why in the world do you think California gets taxed? Because it has an insane cost of living compared to the rest of the U.S.
And therefore wages are higher? am i following? maybe you should elaborate.
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As for how many federal dollars it gets back given how much US Citizens who reside in it pay to the federal government. You want our govt spending money in the most expensive state in the U.S for govt services?
I would like to see a more equitable distribution of federal dollars. So, yes, i guess.
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Use your brain and stop using silly statistics that carry no meaning. California doesn't pay shit to the federal govt. nor do the corporations that it claims results in its 2 Trillion+ GDP. Residents aka American citizens pay the taxes.
Thats right, and Residents should get the benefit of those taxes.
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As for what state I reside in : California... I love it and I'm paying silly insane taxes at the state and federal level... but you don't see me behaving like a rabid sports fan in defense of their state and idiotic scenarios.
Don't take it too seriously...I don't. It's just fun to banter with these arkies and okies who think that they would be better off without California.
You follow what is being said. Use your brain a little more and let it sink in. California should never get dollar for dollar w.r.t to what it pays in federal taxes. For one, there are efficiency losses and govt. costs money to run. For another, it's high cost of living and thus high wages would cause the dollars to be spent inefficiently.
It's not fun to speak untruths and carry on like a child. Most of the world's problems are due to it. Further, when you carry on like a child and spit on the country that your state is a part of that it depends significantly on, what else do you feel would be people's responses?
Do you even know the history of silicon valley (one of California's biggest economic industries?) It exists due to federal dollars :
But now that the state is flourishing, people want to forget their history and show their asses. That's nothing to be proud of. It's ignorant and something to be ashamed of. It's just fashionable in the lap of luxury to fan your ass in the wind. That era has ended.
The idea that any Western/PNW state can secede and sustain its present day state is asinine and ignorant. /thread
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: phio]
#23824727 - 11/12/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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California has 3 things going for it that gives it an edge over any PNW state in hypothetical secession weathering ability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Los_Angeles
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The Port of Los Angeles, also called America's Port, is a port complex that occupies 7,500 acres (3,000 ha) of land and water along 43 miles (69 km) of waterfront and adjoins the separate Port of Long Beach. The port is located in San Pedro Bay in the San Pedro and Wilmington neighborhoods of Los Angeles, approximately 20 miles (32 km) south of downtown. A department of the City of Los Angeles, the Port of Los Angeles employs nearly 896,000 people throughout the LA County Region and 3.6 million worldwide. Around $1.2 billion worth of cargo comes in and out each day at the LA Port. The Ports Channel Depth is 53 feet (16 m). The port has 23 cargo terminals, 270 deepwater berths, 77 container cranes, 9 container terminals, and 113 miles (182 km) of on-port rail. The LA Port imports furniture, footwear, electronics, automobile parts, and apparel. The Port exports wastepaper, cotton, resins, animal feed, and scrap metal.[citation needed] The port's major trading partners are China, Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam.[3][4][5]
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The Port of Long Beach, also known as the Harbor Department of the City of Long Beach, is the second-busiest container port in the United States, after the Port of Los Angeles, which it adjoins.[3] Acting as a major gateway for US–Asian trade, the port occupies 3,200 acres (13 km2) of land with 25 miles (40 km) of waterfront in the city of Long Beach, California. The Port of Long Beach is located less than two miles (3 km) southwest of downtown Long Beach and approximately 25 miles (40 km) south of downtown Los Angeles. The seaport generates approximately US$100 billion in trade and employs more than 316,000 people in Southern California.[4]
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In 2009, The U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics ranked the Port of San Diego as one of America's top 30 U.S. containership ports[1] bringing in nearly 3,300,000 metric tons (3,200,000 long tons; 3,600,000 short tons) of cargo per year. Together with the National City Marine Terminal, the Port of San Diego is the primary port of entry for Honda, Acura, Isuzu, Volkswagen, Nissan, Mitsubishi Fuso, and Hino Motors into America. The Port also holds a 20-year lease with Dole Food Company bringing in much of the country's banana crop.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa]
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So what happens when the US government tells the countries that your recieving all that trade at the docks from they are not to be dealt with.
I'm sure all the countries across the world are not going to be on board with any of that. Let them have there tizzy fit. After a couple weeks California would be falling apart.
You have to sell all the shit your bringing in. We certainly aren't buying. Going to ship it back? Yes you have tons of major ports as you occupy a huge amount of land that has Pacific access. That isnt just for California it's for the entirety of the US. You truly are ignorant.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
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Not to mention your entire military gone. Hand over everything it's all paid for the government. Alright everyone get into camps now.
If we didn't do it first some other country would. And no way in he'll do we let Russia/China/etc get a foot hole in North America.
There is no way in hell California would survive a month. It'd be like spanking a child for being a little ass hole. Are you going to behave now? Want a pudding cup?
That what would probably incite a world War. California pulling that shit. Russia and China offering guns and occupying. It's on then. California would be nuked into an unlivable pit.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
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Irrelevant.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
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Stupidest fucking idea I ever heard in the world. California has the most electoral votes in he country so you think the Democrats are going to let go?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
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Enjoywho said: So what happens when the US government tells the countries that your recieving all that trade at the docks from they are not to be dealt with.
imported goods disappear from market shelves around the country?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
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Enjoywho said: Not to mention your entire military gone. Hand over everything it's all paid for the government. Alright everyone get into camps now.
If we didn't do it first some other country would. And no way in he'll do we let Russia/China/etc get a foot hole in North America.
There is no way in hell California would survive a month. It'd be like spanking a child for being a little ass hole. Are you going to behave now? Want a pudding cup?
That what would probably incite a world War. California pulling that shit. Russia and China offering guns and occupying. It's on then. California would be nuked into an unlivable pit.
Yup, that's what happens, when someone succeeds they hand all of the things occupied in their land first, including the land itself right? It's like how when you start a war you balance your debt with the other nation first so the fight is more fair.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: phio]
#23825635 - 11/12/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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phio said: Do you even know the history of silicon valley (one of California's biggest economic industries?) It exists due to federal dollars
I wonder why so much of the tech industry avoided california and went to norcross ga
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23825661 - 11/12/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because of reduced competition, a lower cost of starting up, more available real estate, and of course simply relative location to where these companies started.
Edit: Your point rests on the false premise that anyone who starts a business in a small city is avoiding a large city. It would be akin to saying, "Oh, you opened a donut shop in Ohio? New York must be a shit hole."
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