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IAMNOTALLAMA
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But for reals.
Can North and South Dakota stop their senseless war and resolve their differences to become a United Dakota?
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IAMNOTALLAMA said: Can North and South Dakota stop their senseless war and resolve their differences to become a United Dakota?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: nooneman]
#23821519 - 11/10/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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nooneman said: You put a lot of effort into that. Jimmies rustled much?
Took 10min I think. All of the points were easily referenced as I have previously done related research in search of tax shelters and to develop future outlooks for the state for investment purposes (bonds/etc). Also, I type fast.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal] 1
#23821804 - 11/11/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good riddance. Bye bye, bitches.
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hostileuniverse said: Maybe they should
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-10/oakland-mayor-explains-why-local-police-cant-stop-looting-rioters
***fucking idiots
people want to know why the police have become a military force, as I've said before, it's a direct response to the events that occur warranted a heavy police response. it's purely reactionary.
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maybe of the violent thugs riot for a whole week then they'll elect hillary instead of trump
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23822360 - 11/11/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Their idiocy is showing
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23822911 - 11/11/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Maybe they should
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-10/oakland-mayor-explains-why-local-police-cant-stop-looting-rioters
***fucking idiots
people want to know why the police have become a military force, as I've said before, it's a direct response to the events that occur warranted a heavy police response. it's purely reactionary.
They get military equipment to spend money on shit to keep getting federal funding.
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DustyBottoms said: 0% chance they secede. The state is dead broke and can't afford to.
How can it be broke? It's run by democrats 
***everyone knows democrats are super smart and geniuses and shit 
It's not broke. It had a billion dollar surplus last year.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: koods] 1
#23822957 - 11/11/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Herbologist] 1
#23823008 - 11/11/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No but this is funny as fuck
People on the right were calling for obama's assassination and now people on the left are calling for trump's and it's accepted as being ok. Texas wanted to secede when obama was elected and now California wants to secede because trump.
All I see is a brain washed false dichotomy to keep people fighting among themselves
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: koods]
#23823663 - 11/11/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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DustyBottoms said: 0% chance they secede. The state is dead broke and can't afford to.
How can it be broke? It's run by democrats 
***everyone knows democrats are super smart and geniuses and shit 
It's not broke. It had a billion dollar surplus last year.
someone had to say it.
Without CA, NY, TX, and MA, the deadweight states would die on the vine.

Here's another one that shows the data for each state between 1984 and 2005.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005
Any state getting more than $1.00 per, is leaching off of the productive states that are getting less than $1.00 per. I know that is a tough concept for some people to understand, so i will give an example
Lets say I'm CA, Pris is NM, and koods is the Federal Government. We each give $10 to koods. koods turns around and gives me back $7.70, and hands $20.00 to Pris. Try to consider how fucked New Mexico would be without California around to pay the bills for them.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23823679 - 11/11/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Horseshit
The fact is California has more rich celebrities, the east coast has rich Wall Street types, neither actully produce anything,
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yeah, we're just hitching a free ride from the hardworking people of Missippi and West Virginia. 
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The fact is California has more rich celebrities
The fact is, California has more everything. 10% of the country lives here. You think we're all rich celebrities? Do you ever listen to yourself?
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#23823733 - 11/11/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most of west coast is federal land. California really doesn't own shit.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23823736 - 11/11/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: Most of west coast is federal land. California really doesn't own shit.
They own movies and shit
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
#23823944 - 11/11/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: Most of west coast is federal land. California really doesn't own shit.
right, and the state of California is part of the U.S. In this hypothetical secession scenario, what difference does it make, in your mind, whether land is "federal" or not? Like, do you think California would secede, but be like "you can keep the parts that are federal land" or something?
you're pretty down on California. makes me wonder which deadweight state you live in.
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23823967 - 11/11/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:
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DustyBottoms said: 0% chance they secede. The state is dead broke and can't afford to.
How can it be broke? It's run by democrats 
***everyone knows democrats are super smart and geniuses and shit 
It's not broke. It had a billion dollar surplus last year.
someone had to say it.
Without CA, NY, TX, and MA, the deadweight states would die on the vine.

Here's another one that shows the data for each state between 1984 and 2005.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005
Any state getting more than $1.00 per, is leaching off of the productive states that are getting less than $1.00 per. I know that is a tough concept for some people to understand, so i will give an example
Lets say I'm CA, Pris is NM, and koods is the Federal Government. We each give $10 to koods. koods turns around and gives me back $7.70, and hands $20.00 to Pris. Try to consider how fucked New Mexico would be without California around to pay the bills for them.
Made a post that refutes all of these silly points.. maybe you should read it : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23821461#23821461
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: nooneman]
#23823980 - 11/11/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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nooneman said: It'd be cool if all the pacific coast states banded together and formed a new country. Nevada can come too, they're cool like us.
California is now the fifth largest economy in the world, we'd be fine on our own. Be careful what you wish for, we pay more into the federal government in taxes than most of your states combined. All of your taxes would go up if we left.
Still, I'd only leave if at least oregon and washington came with us, and hopefully we'd get BC and nevada to come with us too.
Also, in reality it's never going to happen.
you described my heaven and I agree won't happen, beyond ridiculous unforeseen developments that would have to be centuries down the line... so effectively never
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#23823988 - 11/11/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:
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Enjoywho said: Most of west coast is federal land. California really doesn't own shit.
right, and the state of California is part of the U.S. In this hypothetical secession scenario, what difference does it make, in your mind, whether land is "federal" or not? Like, do you think California would secede, but be like "you can keep the parts that are federal land" or something?
you're pretty down on California. makes me wonder which deadweight state you live in.
If you're informed on the matter, It's an asinine scenario that will never happen and most of your talking points are bunk. Paying 20% tax to the federal govt to be a part of the U.S is a gift. Its like people aren't capable of basic math.
And why in the world do you think California gets taxed? Because it has an insane cost of living compared to the rest of the U.S.
As for how many federal dollars it gets back given how much US Citizens who reside in it pay to the federal government. You want our govt spending money in the most expensive state in the U.S for govt services? Use your brain and stop using silly statistics that carry no meaning. California doesn't pay shit to the federal govt. nor do the corporations that it claims results in its 2 Trillion+ GDP. Residents aka American citizens pay the taxes.
As for what state I reside in : California... I love it and I'm paying silly insane taxes at the state and federal level... but you don't see me behaving like a rabid sports fan in defense of their state and idiotic scenarios.
Given a 2.2 trillion dollar GDP, if you actually believe that silly ass number California should be pulling in way more than 112 billion dollars a year in tax revenue. Most of California's companies avoid state and federal taxes and that lofty GDP reflects international profits that never touch U.S soil.
Get over the pipe dream ...
Edited by phio (11/11/16 07:52 PM)
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