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OfflineManianFHS
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: King Klick]
    #23818853 - 11/10/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Whatever California has become quite a laughingstock. Jerry Brown is a douche of douches. Honestly California is not even worth discussing,turn your heads away from us with shame


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: King Klick]
    #23818887 - 11/10/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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it's illegal for any state to secede.




People seceded because they don't agree with the laws.



I heard texas has a stipulation in their whatever agreement noting that they have the right to succeed but chose to rejoin? Just what I heard.




Yep Taexas is a republic that decided to be play along this United States idea and see what happens.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
    #23818893 - 11/10/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you Americans worried about this?





lol. shouldnt you be asking if we hope it happens.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23818932 - 11/10/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you Americans worried about this?





lol. shouldnt you be asking if we hope it happens.




I don't know man. The future of the planet is the gradual elimination of borders. Unfortunately, after 40000 years of existence, humans still cant get along with each other. Even after the WW2 disaster, the only thing we all agree on is that it was bad...

I'm starting to believe that only an alien attack would unite humanity... As ridiculous as this might sound, it's still more plausible than eliminating polarizing issues such as religion and government management.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal]
    #23818937 - 11/10/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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Patlal said:
Are you Americans worried about this?





lol. shouldnt you be asking if we hope it happens.




I don't know man. The future of the planet is the gradual elimination of borders.





says who Mr.Globalism


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23818941 - 11/10/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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Patlal said:
Are you Americans worried about this?





lol. shouldnt you be asking if we hope it happens.




I don't know man. The future of the planet is the gradual elimination of borders.





says who Mr.Globalism



Says every dystopian novel ever written. Don't get me wrong though. I'd rather be an isolated country at this point. Far easier to maintain until our destruction.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: King Klick]
    #23818945 - 11/10/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I don't know man. The future of the planet is the gradual elimination of borders.





says who Mr.Globalism



Says every dystopian novel ever written. Don't get me wrong though. I'd rather be an isolated country at this point. Far easier to maintain until our destruction.




so fiction writes are the ones determining our future. I hope those seeking
globalism enjoy a life in abject poverty where every day is a struggle for
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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #23819319 - 11/10/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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it's illegal for any state to secede.




People seceded because they don't agree with the laws.




not without the might of the united states military up their asses. could california or texas secede? they could try. but if they seriously tried the federal government would designate those state governments as rebel entities and swiftly, and violently, take control. it wouldn't be a 'brexit'. and the u.s. would be perfectly within its rights to treat secession in such a high handed way because, per the precedent of texas v. white, states are in an "insolvable union" with each other. any attempt to break that union would be viewed as treasonous.

lawmakers know this too by the way. they just love to stir people up with this sort of talk.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: millzy]
    #23819770 - 11/10/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nope, they would only do so is something REALLY bad happened. In that case it would not be so much sucession as reorganizing for survival.

Most likely: The US will break up along geological regions more so than actual political lines. Likely California and the PNW will become a country in it's own right. A lot of the middle western states where water needs to be piped in will be in essence no mans land. The plains states of the midwest will form a country that will have a very porus border with Canada or what's left of it. The great lakes states will unite as an independant allience. The southern states will also form an allience, except for Texas which could either join them or operate as it's own country. The northeastern US will likely form a union as well.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23820028 - 11/10/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ya that's what I was thinking. But what's nice about being one union is the fact you can pretty much go anywhere. If you don't like certain laws or things about one state. Say pot. You can always move to Colorado no questions asked.

I doubt it's as easy for someone in Germany to move to france.

I could buy a ticket and be on the east coast tomorrow if I so chose to do.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23820454 - 11/10/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

0% chance they secede.  The state is dead broke and can't afford to.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23820475 - 11/10/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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0% chance they secede.  The state is dead broke and can't afford to.




How can it be broke? It's run by democrats :shrug:

***everyone knows democrats are super smart and geniuses and shit :rolleyes:


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23821162 - 11/10/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

there would never be secession without war. if the u.s. ever breaks up, it will be after a serious conflict. i don't even want to think about what that would be like, much less the consequences. even after the split there would always be the risk of more provocations, more conflict. nobody in their right mind would want that. we just need to fix some serious problems that are long overdue for fixing and get on with being america, imo.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23821200 - 11/10/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It'd be cool if all the pacific coast states banded together and formed a new country. Nevada can come too, they're cool like us.

California is now the fifth largest economy in the world, we'd be fine on our own. Be careful what you wish for, we pay more into the federal government in taxes than most of your states combined. All of your taxes would go up if we left.

Still, I'd only leave if at least oregon and washington came with us, and hopefully we'd get BC and nevada to come with us too.

Also, in reality it's never going to happen.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: nooneman]
    #23821400 - 11/10/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

^ This. A couple idiots hashtagging #CalExit does not make a state secede.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23821454 - 11/10/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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^ This. A couple idiots hashtagging #CalExit does not make a state secede.





that doesnt mean we cant set charges, break it loose from the mainland and banish
them, with all those peeps in so cal, it's likely to capsize anyway



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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23821461 - 11/10/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not going to happen least of all in Pacific Coast states and PNW.
A good %'age of the state's land belongs to the Federal Government.

Like most liberal concepts : big on irrationality and pipe dream .. small on #'s and $'s.

Figure #1 : Federal Land in the West


Figure #2/#3 : Feds own the water supply :



Facts :
California is primarily a desert climate state that survives by water distribution from Federal water sheds. Out of state water comes from Federal projects like Lake Mead. In state, the snow cap run-off is from federal land.

California is still in a Historic Drought.
Not a good look on self-sustainability.
The Federal Government would and should have every right to hit any state who tries this where it counts.


California's debt :


State bonds secure lower rates as there is the potential for fed bailouts should things get ugly. Having Seceded, no such protection exists and California's debt rates would soar.

Import Tariffs
For any company Headquartered in California. Say good-bye to California's GDP.

Tax myth
California receives [disregarding all sorts of things like Social security/etc] :
$0.79 for every $1 it pays in federal tax. Essentially, California only pays a 20% effective tax rate of the amount that goes to Federal tax. Things like Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security/etc aren't factored into that. Subsidies for electric cars aren't factored in. All sorts of things aren't factored in. So, using back hand math that shrinks to 10%. $0.90 for every dollar paid.

Soaring bond rates, import tarrifs (you're a foreign country). The feds slicing the state off from federal land and charging California market rates for water export would negate the other 10% and send California quickly into the red. Corporations would relocate.. Many already have for tax purposes to avoid California's state taxes :
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/business/apples-tax-strategy-aims-at-low-tax-states-and-nations.html

The state would literally bleed dry and that would be the end of the story as it would for any PNW state that tried it.

Again, the Federal government owns most of the land and California's lofty GDP number isn't what its cracked up to be given that most of the corporations operate outside of the states bounds w.r.t to manufacturing and capital holdings.

California's GDP is a cloud of bullshit when you actually look at where the money is held w.r.t corporations that they claim for GDP purposes ...




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement

If corporations aren't paying Federal taxes you think they're paying California?
:loldongs:

There's a reason why California runs tens of billions of dollars of deficits a year and it feels like its stuck in the 70s/80s w.r.t infrastructure
:ducklol:
GDP my ass...

California taxes people not corporations :


We haven't even gotten into Federal highways and railroads.
Federal power distribution.
Federal gas pipelines.


Last but not least

California's stated GDP number is : $2.48 trillion dollars
It's tax revenue is $112 billion
Making its state tax revenue 5% of GDP

Conclusion : California's GDP number is BULLSHIT.

America would be fine w/o California as the corporations that comprise its GDP numbers don't pay federal taxes. Given that they'd now be considered external to the U.S, the U.S government would actually finally get its share of taxation via import tariffs. California on the other hand would be fucked sideways.

With all this being said, anyone want to take a wild guess what percentage of the protestors understand these fundamentals? What percentage of those do you think even have an iota as to how the federal government functions and how to deal w/ issues like $20 trillion worth of debt? This is why you don't like cry babies and clowns dictate the direction of your country. They'll leave you poor and destitute.



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Re: Will California secede? [Re: phio]
    #23821470 - 11/10/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You put a lot of effort into that. Jimmies rustled much?


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23821474 - 11/10/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cali doesn't not have the want or the wherewithal to secede. Don't be dumb OP. Fuck what happened on so many levels, but we are still all in it together.

Maybe these workers that lost their jobs to mechanization will realize in 4 years that robots aren't Mexicans. Probs not though.


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Re: Will California secede? [Re: phio]
    #23821476 - 11/10/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:clap:


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