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Falcon91Wolvrn03
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One good reason to celebrate the election 6
#23816627 - 11/09/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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'Tipping Point'? Voters Bring Sweeping Wins for Marijuana
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California, Maine, Massachusetts, and Nevada all voted to make it legal for adults over 21 to smoke weed, a sweeping mandate that many expect will prompt a legislative domino effect throughout the country.
Is this one thing we can all agree is a good result of this election?
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All progress for the accepted use of plants is 2 thumbs up
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: Morel Guy]
#23817150 - 11/09/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hell yeah. A couple other things::
Possibly no TPP. No war with Russia. In my line of work, 'rebuilding the military' will create a lot of jobs, especially "rebuilding" the navy.
I'm really trying to be optimistic here. I honestly think I prefer Trump to Clinton anyway. As fucked up as that is. I loathe them both. Any avid supporter of either isn't terribly bright.
A guy I know (real nice guy, btw, but stupid), who is an avid Trump supporter, just said to me the other day 'I can understand why an American man would marry a foreign woman, but I can't understand why an American woman would marry a foreigner. No other country treats women well. Not like America.' lmao! So I informed him that Europe is a thing. He looked at me surprised, 'oh really?'. He didn't know they treated women well in European countries.
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absolutely, along with Maine changing over to ranked choice voting, D.C. pursuing statehood once again, single-payer Colorado-care
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: Crumist] 3
#23819297 - 11/10/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crumist said: absolutely, along with Maine changing over to ranked choice voting, D.C. pursuing statehood once again, single-payer Colorado-care
I'm surprised Colorado is going Single-Payer. I hadn't heard about that one. Hopefully it goes well! How is Maine's ranked choice voting going to work? It seems like it's time to make Peurto Rico a state.
I think this country is going to have to start doing a lot more stuff on a state by state basis, instead of Federally. We'll never be able to move into the 21st century if we have states like Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi weighing in on policy. We need a playpen for them to sit around jerking off to the national anthem, while the adults problem solve.
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23819303 - 11/10/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sure their foray into single payer will be as successful as Vermonts.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23819484 - 11/10/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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THere is good stuff out there, Trump has already started to improve things,
***and he hasn't even been sworn in yet
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#23819504 - 11/10/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That wasn't really a failure; it just never even happened in the first place because people freaked out about the higher taxes that would have been required.
Conservatives struggle to understand that single payer would cost them less even if their taxes go up, or perhaps they understand and simply reject higher taxes as a matter of conservative principal.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That wasn't really a failure; it just never even happened in the first place because people freaked out about the higher taxes that would have been required.
Conservatives struggle to understand that single payer would cost them less even if their taxes go up, or perhaps they understand and simply reject higher taxes as a matter of conservative principal.
Liberals fail to accept we are willing to pay more for better healthcare
***and it's not cheaper for the working class, only for the welfare class
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That wasn't really a failure; it just never even happened in the first place because people freaked out about the higher taxes that would have been required.
Conservatives struggle to understand that single payer would cost them less even if their taxes go up, or perhaps they understand and simply reject higher taxes as a matter of conservative principal.
I think it's the ladder. Just like Liberals reject the idea that there are inherent differences between men and women, or that unfettered immigration isn't always desirable... Or how they will vote for someone to be president based on their ethnicity or gender, regardless of their policy positions.
This country is an idiot. I keep hearing that America has 'just elected Biff to be president', but in reality, I think America IS Biff lmao.
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23819850 - 11/10/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Conservatives struggle to understand that single payer would cost them less even if their taxes go up, or perhaps they understand and simply reject higher taxes as a matter of conservative principal.
Liberals fail to accept we are willing to pay more for better healthcare
***and it's not cheaper for the working class, only for the welfare class
I had HU on ignore for at least the past month and the discussions here have been a lot more intellectual. But because I started this tread, I got an email with HU's reply, so now I feel like I have to respond.
HU - please tell us why you would get better healthcare if a private insurer pays your doctor instead of the Government. If anything, the private insurer will try to pay your doctor less so they can keep more.
And yes, it is cheaper for the working class. That was proven to you by YOUR OWN ARTICLE right here.
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95% of Americans will actually end up keeping more of their income than they do today because they will no longer have to pay premiums, deductibles and co-payments.
So if you're not making over $160,000 a year, you'll come out ahead with single payer.
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election *DELETED* [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#23820035 - 11/10/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Post deleted by EnlilReason for deletion: Keep the personal attacks out of the forum.
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: viktor] 1
#23820092 - 11/10/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the drawback that Limbaugh has brainwashed HU with, is that if more people get heathcare, the wait times are longer, because everyone is getting treated. Unfortunately grandma's breast cancer would take precedent over HU's yeast infection. Also, the 'death lists'... or whatever.
By the way, I have HU on ignore, and SO CAN YOU! Join the movement! Be part of something bigger than yourself! (Had to plug my political forum revolution slogan in there, sorry Fal)
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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HU said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Conservatives struggle to understand that single payer would cost them less even if their taxes go up, or perhaps they understand and simply reject higher taxes as a matter of conservative principal.
Liberals fail to accept we are willing to pay more for better healthcare
***and it's not cheaper for the working class, only for the welfare class
I had HU on ignore for at least the past month and the discussions here have been a lot more intellectual. But because I started this tread, I got an email with HU's reply, so now I feel like I have to respond.
HU - please tell us why you would get better healthcare if a private insurer pays your doctor instead of the Government. If anything, the private insurer will try to pay your doctor less so they can keep more.
And yes, it is cheaper for the working class. That was proven to you by YOUR OWN ARTICLE right here.
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95% of Americans will actually end up keeping more of their income than they do today because they will no longer have to pay premiums, deductibles and co-payments.
So if you're not making over $160,000 a year, you'll come out ahead with single payer.
I don't believe waiting lists, and being rejected treatments because the govt deems them too expensive is "better healthcare"
Just look at the cancer drugs rejected by the U.K.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/20/breast-cancer-drug-rejected-despite-doubling-in-tumour-destructi/amp/?client=safari
Why do you think private health insurance is making a resurgence in Canada?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
Those who can afford it, buy it
***dont buy into the Bernice BS that healthcare can be "free" and "good"
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23823159 - 11/11/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: I don't believe waiting lists
No one does. And if you checked the FACTS, you'd know that wait times have nothing to do with whether healthcare is funded by the Government or not:
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Canada had the highest percentage of patients (36%) who had to wait six days or more for an appointment with a doctor, but the United States had the second highest percentage (23%) who reported that they had to wait at least this long. Canada and the United States, in that order, also had the lowest percentage of persons who said they could get an appointment with a doctor the same or next day.
The United States had the largest percentage of persons (61%) who said that getting care on nights, weekends, or holidays, without going to the emergency room, was “very” or “somewhat” difficult. . . . The take-away message is that both the United States and Canada do pretty poorly, compared to most other industrialized countries, on how long patients have to wait to get a regular appointment with a primary care physician or after-hours care, but the U.S. does better than most on having shorter wait times for diagnostic procedures, elective surgery, and specialty care.
Each of these countries, though, with the exception of the United States, has universal health insurance coverage, funded and regulated in large part by the government, so it doesn’t seem likely that government-subsidized health care, in itself, is the sole factor in determining how long patients are stuck in The Waiting Place. Other factors, like the numbers of primary care physicians and specialists in each country, may be more important.
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hostileuniverse said: and being rejected treatments because the govt deems them too expensive is "better healthcare"
The OPPOSITE has happened under Obamacare. Obamacare ensures people DON'T get turned down for certain treatments that private insurance didn't cover. In fact, this is the main reason why some people couldn't keep their old insurance under Obamacare - it simply wasn't good enough.
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hostileuniverse said: Just look at the cancer drugs rejected by the U.K.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/20/breast-cancer-drug-rejected-despite-doubling-in-tumour-destructi/amp/?client=safari
What about it? There are a lot of drugs private insurance won't cover either.
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hostileuniverse said: Why do you think private health insurance is making a resurgence in Canada?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
Those who can afford it, buy it
And that would be the case here with public health insurance. The point is to cover people that CAN'T afford it.
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hostileuniverse said: ***dont buy into the Bernice BS that healthcare can be "free" and "good"
No one but conservatives claim it's free. And it would be as good as Medicare, which 87% of seniors have favorable views of.
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What the fuck are you doing Falcon? You've left the movement! You've turned your back on all that is holy!
You shall pay, dearly!  .. I think you already are lmao!
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23823264 - 11/11/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's a welcome show of maturity. You should try it.
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: What the fuck are you doing Falcon? You've left the movement! You've turned your back on all that is holy!
You shall pay, dearly!  .. I think you already are lmao!
It'll be ok
***run along to your safe space now
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: luvdemshrooms] 2
#23823950 - 11/11/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: It's a welcome show of maturity. You should try it.
Arguing with two year olds isn't mature, and my decision on whose posts to and not to bother with has nothing to do with 'maturity'. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, or read articles penned by Milo, why would I let their brainwashed mouthpiece clutter up my screen?
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Re: One good reason to celebrate the election [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23825726 - 11/12/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So remain immature to the end. It's not just that you have him on ignore. It's that you lack the maturity to ignore him and shut up about it but instead try and get others to be equally immature.
It's beyond immature and well into pathetic.
Show you still have some dignity.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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