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crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23815956 - 11/09/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: as swazey said that's just extra work. after a couple runs you know how much water to add and you get perfect results every time.
agreed
for me the difficulty with Damion's tek is where you come back in a half hour and try and mix up the scalding hot, still somewhat hard, coir brick with the verm and gypsum--usually resulting in lots of improperly hydrated/heated chunks. I've never tried breaking up the brick beforehand tho, which would probably make it much easier.
Perhaps there should be a modification to Damion's tek, where you break up the brick with a hammer/chisel or whatever, prior to adding the boiling water to the mix. Of course, for that section of the tek it can say-- *this modification provided courtesy of crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: ComebackKid]
#23815962 - 11/09/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you did that, did you sterilzed only the coir or the whole substrate, ergo the CVG?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23815964 - 11/09/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use a large wooden spoon for that, never had a problem. I wouldn't stick my hand in there, no!
splitting the coir brick is real easy, you dont need a hammer and chissel, just a butter knife jammed in along the fibers, it breaks up real easy.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23815995 - 11/09/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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crackbaby said:
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spacechildo said: as swazey said that's just extra work. after a couple runs you know how much water to add and you get perfect results every time.
agreed
for me the difficulty with Damion's tek is where you come back in a half hour and try and mix up the scalding hot, still somewhat hard, coir brick with the verm and gypsum--usually resulting in lots of improperly hydrated/heated chunks. I've never tried breaking up the brick beforehand tho, which would probably make it much easier.
Perhaps there should be a modification to Damion's tek, where you break up the brick with a hammer/chisel or whatever, prior to adding the boiling water to the mix. Of course, for that section of the tek it can say-- *this modification provided courtesy of crackbaby 
That takes all the ease out of the tek.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: cronicr]
#23816016 - 11/09/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i also use a long wooden spoon, but it's always been with a solid brick. And since it IS rather easy to break up the brick when you take a knife or chisel to the sides that allow you to go along the fibers, i think the tek would still retain its easy status with the crackbaby modification. I'll await my Trusted Cultivator ranking, thank you
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23816061 - 11/09/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use a folding knife to just crack the brick apart and break up into small chunks. Then I don't even bother to mix up with a spoon, just leave it and come back when it's cool.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23818496 - 11/10/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Use a small gardening hand shovel to mix the bucket Tek.
You can also let it sit for long enough to be completely cool before you mix it if you like, I believe Damion wrote 30 minutes after dumping the water or something like that but like PW, I like to let it sit for at least a few hours.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23818990 - 11/10/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PirateSwazey said: Use a small gardening hand shovel to mix the bucket Tek.
You can also let it sit for long enough to be completely cool before you mix it if you like, I believe Damion wrote 30 minutes after dumping the water or something like that but like PW, I like to let it sit for at least a few hours.
not trying to be argumentive here, but the long wooden mixing spoon i use is about twice as long as a typical gardening hand shovel, and i still usually come close to burning the shit out of my hands when trying to mix up everything (when using Damion's tek with a solid brick). And letting everything cool down first prior to mixing would be less than optimal, since the coir wouldn't be evenly cooked (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819016 - 11/10/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The inside temp of the bucket gets to about 165-180 degrees, regardless if you mix it or not.
Have tested it with a digital probe a few times.
Stick to your wooden spoon if you like it - I just used to use one and when I picked up the gardening shovel I never put it down lol. Sometimes I use a paint mixer on a powered drill... Just depends on how many buckets are made up and what kind of mood I'm in
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819023 - 11/10/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819029 - 11/10/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I put on some gloves and mix it. Brewers gloves are made so you can grab parts out of a kettle of boiling water
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819119 - 11/10/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
ah jeez, here we go again i'm not saying that improperly cooked coir will necessarily cause the grow to fail, but rather it makes it easier for the mycellium to colonize the CVG effectively and efficiently when it's cooked the right way. I make this statement based on posts i've read by Trusted Cultivators in this regard, along with my own experience
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819125 - 11/10/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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crackbaby said:
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spacechildo said:
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
ah jeez, here we go again i'm not saying that improperly cooked coir will necessarily cause the grow to fail, but rather it makes it easier for the mycellium to colonize the CVG effectively and efficiently when it's cooked the right way. I make this statement based on posts i've read by Trusted Cultivators in this regard, along with my own experience 
Make statements om experience not conjecture. You're not even great at repeating
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819142 - 11/10/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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you're reading TC's wrong then, the quotes I bet you've read is sterilization vs bucket vs pasteurization vs cold water. see pirates post above.
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crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23819155 - 11/10/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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crackbaby said:
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spacechildo said:
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
ah jeez, here we go again i'm not saying that improperly cooked coir will necessarily cause the grow to fail, but rather it makes it easier for the mycellium to colonize the CVG effectively and efficiently when it's cooked the right way. I make this statement based on posts i've read by Trusted Cultivators in this regard, along with my own experience 
Make statements om experience not conjecture. You're not even great at repeating
is english your second language, or do you just sloppily skim through the posts you read? My post says 'along with my own experience'. The proof is in the pudding, son.
Edited by crackbaby (11/10/16 10:27 AM)
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819163 - 11/10/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea and I've got experience with your mom. Just can't post the pictures...
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23819178 - 11/10/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you cook the fuck out of the coir the mycelium has an easier time colonizing it.at least in my opinion performance is far better if you cook the coir and it turns to a much darker brown nearly black.
proper pasteurization is fine to cook the coir. and a great way to learn proper pasteurization. I'll admit I started off doing frank's pasteurization with coir in jars on the stove.
once you learn how to do it that way it's now a skill you own. I would move on to sterilizing your coir after learning how to pasteurize.
it's easier to just boil the fuck out of it.
dude, wtf?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819184 - 11/10/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'll be awaiting your apology
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819192 - 11/10/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: you're reading TC's wrong then, the quotes I bet you've read is sterilization vs bucket vs pasteurization vs cold water.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819222 - 11/10/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Buddy, your quote of bhodi was an answer to one of my questions, when you read the whole thread, you'll notice, that he states several times, that pasteurizing or sterilizing is not necessary for coir, but as I am a noob he recommended to start with pasteurizing just to learn the process.
The question was more "is it ok to sterilize coir?" and not "is sterilized coir better?"
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