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Anonymous #1

Addiction
    #23814739 - 11/09/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm pretty fucked up , have been for over 20 years. I use Meth On a daily basis and just can't stop. I'm not your stereotype meth heads. I have a job , same job for 13 years , I don't steal to support my habit , I have a nice vehicle , couple motorcycles , nice bass boat , drivers license . Never been arrested for possession , no DUI , no criminal record.  I go to church on Sunday ( not that it matters) I consider myself a sane , responsible member of society except for this addiction. I love to trip , always have and I'm not going to stop that.  But I don't want to be an addict anymore.
I tried CMA (crystal meth anonymous) but these fuckin people want me to delete everyone I know from my life , not question parts of their program that make no sense to me and just have blind faith.  Waiting for them to tell me to drink the koolaid and sit over there.
I can quit for a while , few weeks but then I just want to drive my vehicle into a brick wall at a high rate of speed and when that feeling gets to be too much I go get high again.  What I'm depriving myself from is a meaningful relationship because I don't want to have to hide my addiction from a girlfriend so I have not had one for 4 years now.
I know it's the drug that keeps telling me that it's all good and I'm fine but I know I'm not , I just don't know how to stop or maybe I'm too afraid to.  I will accept any reasonable advise from any knowledgeable person. Thanks for reading !


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Anonymous #2

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23814767 - 11/09/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i'm in the same boat, if i knew the solution I would share it with you.  I was thinking about quitting today.  I broke my pipe but didnt get as far as I should have and flushed all the shit.  i haven't used more but kinda thinking about it.  im trying to decide what to do tonight, if i should go to a friends or stay off the road. 

Also im wondering if maybe eating a big dose of magic mushrooms will possibly open up a new perspective for me and magically the desire to use will just disappear and quitting would be effortless.



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Anonymous #1

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #23814854 - 11/09/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Stay off the road , hang at home .  I wish shrooms would make it go away . Shrooms have a way of making me see faults in myself that I could never see before , one of the things I love about them . I get to stand in someone else's shoes and see things from their pov. And then I understand why they did or didn't do that thing I was so bothered by.
The reason is usually because I'm an addict.  I hate being an addict.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23814867 - 11/09/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Doesn't really sound like you have a problem. You dont strip houses for copper or sell to support your habit. You are just a guy who wants to quit but cant.

A lot of rehabs and sobriety programs are designed for these hardcore users which is great but it's so black and white with these people. You are in a middle ground, and help for people like you is very hard to find.

I am starting to hear about athiest AA/NA programs coming about so there are changes underway in the recovery industry.

I just hate how culty/brainwashed these recovery programs are and its the only option for a lot of folks lije us when all we really want is to just stop using one problematic drug.

As for advice you should look into making some new friends, ones who you can hang out maybe have a beer with. Be apart of a good social circle that doesnt include meth. A study on rats concluded that so long as the "addict" has access to a good community it will not use hardly at all. This very much applies to us.

Best of luck


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Anonymous #4

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #23818266 - 11/10/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I believe one of the best things a addict can do for themselfe is to learn all they can about their problem, and potential ways to deal with it.
  It sounds corny and simple and it is but it will help keep your eye on the prize.

  I was always in and out of standard 12 step type programs for 20+ years with very little sucess, then I learned to use a computer (10 years ago) and stumbled onto alot of people with hatred for the 12 step type programs, and immediately latched onto their writings pushing the addiction is NOT a Disease concepts and things like behavioral therapy and then it just seemed to click . . .  Mayabe it was just my time, I dont know ? ?

  But theirs alot more out their then the 12 step doctrine, dont sell yourself short.

check out
--  http://peele.net/
--  The clean slate addiction site


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Anonymous #5

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #23818325 - 11/10/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever considered trying DMT/aya?


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Anonymous #1

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #23820525 - 11/10/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

thank you , I appreciate your comments and advise.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #23820537 - 11/10/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks I will check that out.  It seems like for most of the people I know who have quit that it was just their time.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #23820547 - 11/10/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

DMT/aya? I know nothing about this , please expand on your comment.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23820949 - 11/10/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

DMT is the most powerful psychedelic known to man, a compound of the tryptamine family. It is a natural substance and can be easily and cheaply extracted from specific tree bark by anybody.
The effects from smoking it lasts a short period of time, 5 to 15 min. Longer effects can be achieved by oral ingestion (ayahuasca), over 3 hours.

Aside from the 'recreational' aspect of DMT, it has been proven to be an incredibly powerful treatment for drug addiction such as cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine by resetting your brains neurology that has been fucked with due to substance abuse. The internet is full of stories relating to this so if you are interested just hit google with something like "DMT and drug addiction". There are also ayahuasca retreats where you can go and do it in a safe environment.
There are many cases of hardcore addicts smoking it once, having a powerful 5-10 minute trip and never touching drugs again.


Edited by Anonymous (11/10/16 07:58 PM)


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Anonymous #4

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #5] * 1
    #23824409 - 11/11/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

regarding Dmt/Aya,  most find smoked very intense but not very spiritual, Orally with cappi/rue can be very spiritual, but you would have to stop meth for a while first as mao's and meth is a recipe for disaster.

thank god you still have plenty of other options

  But I have to agree a spiritual type experience can significantly help for addiction problems when used responsibly.  In A/A's early days many of the members including bill w himself were big fans of hallucinogens LSD / scolpmine ect.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #23824600 - 11/12/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's not like that Salvia stuff is it ? I didn't enjoy that at all !


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Anonymous #5

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23824667 - 11/12/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
It's not like that Salvia stuff is it ? I didn't enjoy that at all !



I have never tried salvia but I have tried DMT ~40 times. From what I've read about salvia it seems a lot more dark, scary and serious, whereas DMT is very colorful, happy and playful


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Anonymous #1

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #23826079 - 11/12/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ya ! Don't try it it is dark as fuck , very scary ! No matter how hard you try you can't remind yourself that you just did a drug and are going to be fine. You go straight to panic level , it horrible !
Wish I knew where to find DMT , if it could get me away from the other I'm in !


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Anonymous #5

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23826618 - 11/12/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Ya ! Don't try it it is dark as fuck , very scary ! No matter how hard you try you can't remind yourself that you just did a drug and are going to be fine. You go straight to panic level , it horrible !
Wish I knew where to find DMT , if it could get me away from the other I'm in !




You can buy bark off eBay and extract it yourself easily in a matter of hours. $50 investment can get you ~80 hits worth.
DMT extraction tek


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Anonymous #1

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #23836513 - 11/15/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the tek , I took a look at all the steps and it doesn't seem "simple enough " but worth giving it a try.  I wonder if there is a video series about how to do this ? There are always little tricks that you see in the videos that make the difficult parts easier. Or little mistakes you will make that ruined the whole thing.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23837606 - 11/16/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Thanks for the tek , I took a look at all the steps and it doesn't seem "simple enough " but worth giving it a try.  I wonder if there is a video series about how to do this ? There are always little tricks that you see in the videos that make the difficult parts easier. Or little mistakes you will make that ruined the whole thing.



Its one of those things that seems confusing until you actually do it. Every single tek I have read makes it seem more difficult than it is


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Anonymous #1

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #23839908 - 11/16/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey #4 , what do you mean by mao's and meth being a disaster ? And you said I would have to quit meth for a while first , how long is a while and why ? I just want to make sure I don't fuck myself up even worse. Thanks


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Anonymous #4

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23847313 - 11/19/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Check this thread, 

  ---  http://forums.ayahuasca.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=14761

And the site in general is a great source of aya info.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Addiction [Re: Anonymous #4] * 2
    #23848399 - 11/19/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm: so many clueless ignorant teenagers always reccomndeding drugs like dmt and aya to drug addicts like the pill pushers st the doctors. Youre not gonna magically not going to be addicted anymore after taking these.


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