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moonrockmushy said: self-sufficiency is a pipe dream. That would hardly even be considered human.
It's not when you have a farm to work on in the middle of nowhere which is run by a fucking cool dude who's your cousin. Plenty of meat to grow, hunt, kill. Veg grows easy in the climate.
I feel bad just saying it cause I know it's a blessing many don't have, but I wanted to point out that yes, total self sufficiency is a pipe dream, but getting out to the edge of the system is doable, if you're willing to make a bunch of sacrifices.
aka living in a community.
that's the dream, real community. The world as it stands is just not something I want to be involved with really, philosophy and reason generally are dead, Science is dying, soon all there will be is the free market and advertising stooges
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CookieCrumbs
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I'd be all for the libertarian party taking over the democratic party. Even if in the end it would just become the new democratic party after floundering and shoing in the republican party. But the country isn't ready for that. Most of the people are too scared and confused and brainwashed. If Mr Johnson talks up fixing these issues and gets enough people listening (which is very possible if the 2 party doesn't get make overs) and he says enough of what I like I'll vote next go around. But honestly I haven't heard anything out of any other potential candidates, not any of them, that is really what I want to hear, is going to be the change I think we need.
Quite simply my bag is I'm not going to vote for someone I don't like. And I don't hate Johnson. I just don't like enough of what he says. I count my not voting as not enabling. It's like giving candy to a diabetic fatkid until laws change.
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#23816850 - 11/09/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Check out Jill's policies: http://www.jill2016.com/plan
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Key points of the Power to the People Plan: A Green New Deal:
Create millions of jobs by transitioning to 100% clean renewable energy by 2030, and investing in public transit, sustainable agriculture, and conservation. Jobs as a Right:
Create living-wage jobs for every American who needs work, replacing unemployment offices with employment offices. Advance workers rights to form unions, achieve workplace democracy, and keep a fair share of the wealth they create. End Poverty:
Guarantee economic human rights, including access to food, water, housing, and utilities, with effective anti-poverty programs to ensure every American a life of dignity. Health Care as a Right:
Establish an improved “Medicare For All” single-payer public health insurance program to provide everyone with quality health care, at huge savings. Education as a Right:
Abolish student debt to free a generation of Americans from debt servitude. Guarantee tuition-free, world-class public education from pre-school through university. End high stakes testing and public school privatization. A Just Economy:
Set a $15/hour federal minimum wage. Break up “too-big-to-fail” banks and democratize the Federal Reserve. Reject gentrification as a model of economic development. Support development of worker and community cooperatives and small businesses. Make Wall Street, big corporations, and the rich pay their fair share of taxes. Create democratically run public banks and utilities. Replace corporate trade agreements with fair trade agreements. Protect Mother Earth:
Lead on a global treaty to halt climate change. End destructive energy extraction: fracking, tar sands, offshore drilling, oil trains, mountaintop removal, and uranium mines. Protect our public lands, water supplies, biological diversity, parks, and pollinators. Label GMOs, and put a moratorium on GMOs and pesticides until they are proven safe. Protect the rights of future generations. Racial Justice Now:
End police brutality and mass incarceration. Create a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to understand and eliminate the legacy of slavery that lives on as pervasive racism in the economy, education, housing and health. Ensure that communities control their police rather than police controlling our communities, by establishing police review boards and full time investigators to look in to all cases of death in police custody. Demilitarize the police. Freedom and Equality:
Expand women’s rights, protect LGBTQIA+ people from discrimination, defend indigenous rights and lands, and create a welcoming path to citizenship for immigrants. Protect the free Internet, legalize marijuana/hemp, and treat substance abuse as a public health problem, not a criminal problem. Justice for All:
Restore our Constitutional rights, terminate unconstitutional surveillance and unwarranted spying, end persecution of government and media whistleblowers, close Guantanamo, abolish secret kill lists, and repeal indefinite detention without charge or trial. Peace and Human Rights:
Establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights. End the wars and drone attacks, cut military spending by at least 50% and close the 700+ foreign military bases that are turning our republic into a bankrupt empire. Stop U.S. support and arms sales to human rights abusers, and lead on global nuclear disarmament. Empower the People:
Abolish corporate personhood. Protect voters’ rights by establishing a constitutional right to vote. Enact electoral reforms that break the big money stranglehold and create truly representative democracy: public campaign financing, ranked-choice voting, proportional representation, and open debates.
She could be just what we need and I liked her stances enough that she got my vote
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sanchothestoner
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ModestMouse said: You shouldn't be proud You should be berated.
are you serious?
dude voting is absolutely POINTLESS, unless its for props and local shit.
voting for the president doesn't mean shit. this country doesn't care about the populations vote.
Yeah totally 
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In terms of financing, 5 percent will radically change the Libertarian candidate’s hand in the next election. Indeed 5 percent is the milestone set by the Federal Election Commission to be eligible for the Presidential Election Campaign Fund’s grant. The amount of public funding available to the minor party candidate is based on the the ratio of the party’s popular vote in the preceding presidential election to the average popular vote of the two major party candidates in that election.
If the libertarian candidate in the 2008 election had received 5 percent of the vote, Gary Johnson would have received approximately $9.5 million from the Presidential Election Campaign Fund. As of today, Governor Johnson has raised $2.3 million for his campaign, more than three times less than what he would have started with. If he had the additional grant money, he could have been on the ballot in every state, and would have been able to pursue a larger scale campaign.
By reaching 5 percent of the popular vote, Gary Johnson will secure approximately $10 million for the Libertarian candidate in the 2016 election. For a third party candidate, this is significant and justifies Gary Johnson’s recent quest to give him five.
Maybe if people had actually voted third party last election one of them might have had a chance this time around.... Way to help give us a better chance next time.
he lost, badly. you just proved my point even further.
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musiclover420
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sanchothestoner said: he lost, badly. you just proved my point even further.
Care to explain how?
3rd parties got 4% as I said, 5% is needed to get federal funding which would have over tripled the funding to his party.
All it would have taken is 1% and some rallying and he could have gotten 5%... If more people actually voted it would have been even easier.
What does not voting accomplish? What does voting trump/ hillary accomplish? By voting 3rd party you could have at least helped make next election better....
Would have taken you like 30 minutes. The only "point" you are making by not voting is that politicians can and will get away with this crap...
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sanchothestoner
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sanchothestoner said: he lost, badly. you just proved my point even further.
Care to explain how?
3rd parties got 4% as I said, 5% is needed to get federal funding which would have over tripled the funding to his party.
All it would have taken is 1% and some rallying and he could have gotten 5%... If more people actually voted it would have been even easier.
What does not voting accomplish? What does voting trump/ hillary accomplish? By voting 3rd party you could have at least helped make next election better....
Would have taken you like 30 minutes. The only "point" you are making by not voting is that politicians can and will get away with this crap...
that's what i'm saying cause that's exactly what happens. remember florida with bush?
voting for bills n props n shit is legit, but imho, voting for the president is wasteful. that dude just lost a ton of money by being elected.
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CookieCrumbs
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see I want to like Jill like how I wanted to like Bernie. But theyd rush the economy into collapse. The middle class would be destroyed. Id be 100% behind these people if they were willing to push for full scale economic reform. As in redoing the entire economic system. That's what the country needs more than anything. And it would go a long way in ending corruption. Shit it'd fix almost all our major problems if we did it right. But unfortunately we would have to mostly withdraw from the global economy to do it right. maybe someone will get on with this when we inevitably (and likely soon) dip into a severe depression.
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sanchothestoner said: that's what i'm saying cause that's exactly what happens. remember florida with bush?
voting for bills n props n shit is legit, but imho, voting for the president is wasteful. that dude just lost a ton of money by being elected.
I don't know the details of what you are referring too but people shouldn't just give up becouse it doesn't always work out.
Give me one reason why voting 3rd party is wasteful... Have you actually looked into either 3rd party?
Either one could be a fresh change from the crap we have been stuck with. At the very least voting 3rd party could help end 2 party politics one day...
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moonrockmushy
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CookieCrumbs said: see I want to like Jill like how I wanted to like Bernie. But theyd rush the economy into collapse. The middle class would be destroyed. Id be 100% behind these people if they were willing to push for full scale economic reform. As in redoing the entire economic system. That's what the country needs more than anything. And it would go a long way in ending corruption. Shit it'd fix almost all our major problems if we did it right. But unfortunately we would have to mostly withdraw from the global economy to do it right. maybe someone will get on with this when we inevitably (and likely soon) dip into a severe depression.
And everyone needs to get a fucking pony from the government. We need to switch to a pony based economy.
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yes i have. and it's mostly only the population that votes for 3rd party, not electoral.
it'd be awesome if more electoral votes were going towards to 3rd party, but sadly we live in a shitty world.
i'm not tryna say that the 3rd party is useless in anyway though.
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musiclover420
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sanchothestoner said: yes i have. and it's mostly only the population that votes for 3rd party, not electoral.
it'd be awesome if more electoral votes were going towards to 3rd party, but sadly we live in a shitty world.
Once again though 5% would have meant increased funding. Increased funding means bigger campaigns next time, a guarantee on all the ballots, and more publicity.
It may not change things immediately but not voting isn't going to change anything ever as is voting for either puppet that has been shoved in our faces.
It might as well be useless for now until more people get fed up and vote 3rd party...
That is why it is disheartening seeing all the people who couldn't be bothered to vote at all
I expected better from the Shroomery but then again this is the pub 
I almost didn't vote so I am not trying to be too judgmental but I sucked it up and did a little research, didn't take long at all.
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Trump is definitely a third party candidate with a "Republican" label. He knew he had to have the artificial label for any chance to win, but he was hated by damn near all of the republican establishment and a lot of religious conservatives that were Ted Cruz supporters. For example, I know 2 Ted Cruz supporters that voted republican for everything, but didn't vote for Trump. They voted third party.
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sanchothestoner said: yes i have. and it's mostly only the population that votes for 3rd party, not electoral.
it'd be awesome if more electoral votes were going towards to 3rd party, but sadly we live in a shitty world.
Once again though 5% would have meant increased funding. Increased funding means bigger campaigns next time, a guarantee on all the ballots, and more publicity.
It may not change things immediately but not voting isn't going to change anything ever as is voting for either puppet that has been shoved in our faces.
It might as well be useless for now until more people get fed up and vote 3rd party...
That is why it is disheartening seeing all the people who couldn't be bothered to vote at all
I expected better from the Shroomery but then again this is the pub 
I almost didn't vote so I am not trying to be too judgmental but I sucked it up and did a little research, didn't take long at all.
def unaware of that.
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: daytripper05] 1
#23817044 - 11/09/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: Trump is definitely a third party candidate with a "Republican" label...
I actually burst out laughing at that. Obama was a revolutionary too.
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daytripper05
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...that turned out to be a lame duck president.
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moonrockmushy
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: daytripper05] 1
#23817082 - 11/09/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh god I'm having as much fun as you fools. I need to go to bed.
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: ruaware] 2
#23817116 - 11/09/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ruaware said: The way i see it, we had two terrible options. But now at least taxes will go down
you know what will also go down?
Net neutrality.
Funding for education.
A number of things I would think would be important to people here, specifically.
But regardless, I respect anyone's right to choose whom they thought was truly best for the country, and the world. In the end we all want the same outcome and it pains me to see the immaturity that is our nation's divide.
I hope for us all that Trump is everything his supporters hoped he was.
Either way our system is broken and it'll be political gridlock. As always.
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Konyap

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teachers wouldnt need to get paid so much if they didn't spend 15 years in college
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: Konyap] 1
#23817146 - 11/09/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm talking about core curriculum public education.
Clearly we're not on the same page because when the fuck did you meet a 6th grade teacher who went to school for 15 years.
I'm talking infrastructure for public education, making sure kids have adequate schools, making sure some fucktard in Tennessee isn't trying to teach them that Dinosaurs were a myth or that the entire nation is not merely teaching them to pass completely insufficient standardized testing.
My guess is Konyap, based on the normal level I've observed you functioning at on these boards, that real, mature and unemotional conversation is probably lost on you. So don't feel too bad.
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Konyap

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nobody wants standardized testging because the teachers never get to teach anything and there is this huge pressure on them to get kids to pass when kids that don't want to be there show up and basically do nothing the "normal" people in american schools are there to be disciplined there isn't really any learning going on at all compared to the amount of time spent there vs. what they're actually tested on I'm positively sure that most of you could have completed 10th grade in the 6th grade with ease... I got a regents diploma and it got me 5 1/2 years of college and a choice between flipping burgers or on an assembly line also unless you get straight A's and can compete with educating the worlds rich kids a college degree is about as useful as a peice of toilet paper. I dare not get an english degree because as a male I am subject to C- grades for no apparent reason other than my sex and my style of writing
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