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CookieCrumbs said: We need very serious anticorruption laws and political party reforms to even have a chance at actually changing things. We need state laws in regards to ballots to be regulated in order for third party to even have a chance to win (many states have strict requirements on who is allowed on the ballot and who is a valid write in.)
Can we vote on any of that?
Why would politicians bother making any of that happen if no one is going to vote for or against them?
How is not voting going to help with any of that? How is voting going to hinder any of that...
By not voting all you are doing is being complacent. Like I said either the votes don't matter or they do.
I know I would rather take 10-20 minutes of my time to vote just in case... Not voting is basically giving up
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: ModestMouse]
#23816671 - 11/09/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: You shouldn't be proud You should be berated.
are you serious?
dude voting is absolutely POINTLESS, unless its for props and local shit.
voting for the president doesn't mean shit. this country doesn't care about the populations vote.
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CookieCrumbs
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Why would anyone that came into power want to change the system that let them do so ?
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musiclover420 said: Not voting is basically giving up 
Is it so bad to give up when you have to make a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich? To me it seems the sensible option.
If I was hungry, and was given the choice of two meals I hate, I'd just rather not eat, and instead fuck off into nature and eat berries and rabbits and mushrooms.
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musiclover420 said: Not voting is basically giving up 
Is it so bad to give up when you have to make a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich? To me it seems the sensible option.
If I was hungry, and was given the choice of two meals I hate, I'd just rather not eat, and instead fuck off into nature and eat berries and rabbits and mushrooms.
honestly the most logical course these days seems to be isolate yourself, by Christ don't reproduce, and try and get what entertainment you can before the shit hits the fan.
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musiclover420
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ModestMouse said: You shouldn't be proud You should be berated.
are you serious?
dude voting is absolutely POINTLESS, unless its for props and local shit.
voting for the president doesn't mean shit. this country doesn't care about the populations vote.
Yeah totally 
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In terms of financing, 5 percent will radically change the Libertarian candidate’s hand in the next election. Indeed 5 percent is the milestone set by the Federal Election Commission to be eligible for the Presidential Election Campaign Fund’s grant. The amount of public funding available to the minor party candidate is based on the the ratio of the party’s popular vote in the preceding presidential election to the average popular vote of the two major party candidates in that election.
If the libertarian candidate in the 2008 election had received 5 percent of the vote, Gary Johnson would have received approximately $9.5 million from the Presidential Election Campaign Fund. As of today, Governor Johnson has raised $2.3 million for his campaign, more than three times less than what he would have started with. If he had the additional grant money, he could have been on the ballot in every state, and would have been able to pursue a larger scale campaign.
By reaching 5 percent of the popular vote, Gary Johnson will secure approximately $10 million for the Libertarian candidate in the 2016 election. For a third party candidate, this is significant and justifies Gary Johnson’s recent quest to give him five.
Maybe if people had actually voted third party last election one of them might have had a chance this time around.... Way to help give us a better chance next time.
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CookieCrumbs said: Why would anyone that came into power want to change the system that let them do so ?
Because if they don't speak for the people we will elect someone that does... That is why not voting is ridiculous.
If you don't like the current system at least vote third party so we can try and end this 2 party madness...
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: Ezuma]
#23816696 - 11/09/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I hope trump helps fuck things up enough, and points to congress enough, we do away with the whole damn thing. #anarchybitchz 
i think a Trump presidency might be what america needs. Clinton and her ilk would keep the same shit running, and probably somewhat stable, for far too long, probably pushing us all past the point of no return. Trump though, he might just do enough damage that real change will HAVE to come, or at least piss off disenfranchised voters enough when he fails to deliver that they demand representation
I can agree. This is my only real hope. But then again whatever bad does happen he makes an excellent scapegoat and the media can say it's all our fault for letting less than a quarter of the country vote for him.
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#23816703 - 11/09/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I hope trump helps fuck things up enough, and points to congress enough, we do away with the whole damn thing. #anarchybitchz 
i think a Trump presidency might be what america needs. Clinton and her ilk would keep the same shit running, and probably somewhat stable, for far too long, probably pushing us all past the point of no return. Trump though, he might just do enough damage that real change will HAVE to come, or at least piss off disenfranchised voters enough when he fails to deliver that they demand representation
I can agree. This is my only real hope. But then again whatever bad does happen he makes an excellent scapegoat and the media can say it's all our fault for letting less than a quarter of the country vote for him.
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: Ezuma] 1
#23816712 - 11/09/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: honestly the most logical course these days seems to be isolate yourself, by Christ don't reproduce, and try and get what entertainment you can before the shit hits the fan.
My thoughts exactly. I'm gonna go isolate myself until I feel I can be a part of this culture again. Who knows, in 10 years, it might have become something more reasonable. Maybe never. Maybe collapse will come.
But right now I can't be a part of all this, so I'm gonna put all my energy into being self sufficient and far away from it, and hopefully on day common sense will prevail and I can return to live amongst the masses.
Right now though, the human traits I most despise seem to be the ones that prevail and are celebrated in our culture, and it breaks my heart to see it every day.
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self-sufficiency is a pipe dream. That would hardly even be considered human.
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CookieCrumbs
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You seem to not be aware of the problems that make what you propose to be impossible. How caan a third party get the grant funding if they weren't on half the ballots in the country and get almost no media coverage? Can someone pull up something from Wikipedia explaining how hard it is to even get on the ballot? I know there's an article there but it's too much hassle from my phone.
It has happened before but that ended up just causing more splits. Like what has usually happened before is one party splits. For example libertarian voters would mostly come from former democratic voters and that would almost certainly shoe in the republican candidate until one of those parties took over the other. And eventually they hold power long enough to become just as corrupt as the others because the system encourages it.
We need like a 16 party system like they have in India
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moonrockmushy said: self-sufficiency is a pipe dream. That would hardly even be considered human.
It's not when you have a farm to work on in the middle of nowhere which is run by a fucking cool dude who's your cousin. Plenty of meat to grow, hunt, kill. Veg grows easy in the climate.
I feel bad just saying it cause I know it's a blessing many don't have, but I wanted to point out that yes, total self sufficiency is a pipe dream, but getting out to the edge of the system is doable, if you're willing to make a bunch of sacrifices.
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musiclover420
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CookieCrumbs said: You seem to not be aware of the problems that make what you propose to be impossible. How caan a third party get the grant funding if they weren't on half the ballots in the country and get almost no media coverage? Can someone pull up something from Wikipedia explaining how hard it is to even get on the ballot? I know there's an article there but it's too much hassle from my phone.
It has happened before but that ended up just causing more splits. Like what has usually happened before is one party splits. For example libertarian voters would mostly come from former democratic voters and that would almost certainly shoe in the republican candidate until one of those parties took over the other. And eventually they hold power long enough to become just as corrupt as the others because the system encourages it.
We need like a 16 party system like they have in India
He was on 48 of the ballots.... This might have been our best shot...
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States control the election processes, and each of them have different rules regarding the requirements to have a third party candidate’s name on the ballot.
These state requirements will have to be met again in the next election, regardless of Gary Johnson’s results this year. However, as Johnson is already on the ballot in 48 states and a write-in on another (Oklahoma is the only state excluding him from the ballot), the financial rewards reaped from reaching 5 percent will most likely allow him to access the ballot in all fifty states in the next election cycle.
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CookieCrumbs said: We need very serious anticorruption laws and political party reforms to even have a chance at actually changing things. We need state laws in regards to ballots to be regulated in order for third party to even have a chance to win (many states have strict requirements on who is allowed on the ballot and who is a valid write in.)
Can we vote on any of that?
Why would politicians bother making any of that happen if no one is going to vote for or against them?
How is not voting going to help with any of that? How is voting going to hinder any of that...
By not voting all you are doing is being complacent. Like I said either the votes don't matter or they do.
I know I would rather take 10-20 minutes of my time to vote just in case... Not voting is basically giving up 
I guess that's true. You could vote for anyone. You could vote for Jim Carrey as a write in and see if he's elected if enough people vote for him
https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=2016+US+election+results&biw=360&bih=559#eob=enn/o//////////////
Btw, Hillary won in terms of vote majority. Trump won by electoral vote the same way Romney lost by electoral vote.
Tsk tsk why I even pay attention to this horse shit is beyond me
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CookieCrumbs said: You seem to not be aware of the problems that make what you propose to be impossible. How caan a third party get the grant funding if they weren't on half the ballots in the country and get almost no media coverage? Can someone pull up something from Wikipedia explaining how hard it is to even get on the ballot? I know there's an article there but it's too much hassle from my phone.
It has happened before but that ended up just causing more splits. Like what has usually happened before is one party splits. For example libertarian voters would mostly come from former democratic voters and that would almost certainly shoe in the republican candidate until one of those parties took over the other. And eventually they hold power long enough to become just as corrupt as the others because the system encourages it.
We need like a 16 party system like they have in India
How is India these days btw?
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: imachavel]
#23816768 - 11/09/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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musiclover420
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: imachavel]
#23816775 - 11/09/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not voting just seems worse then voting for Trump or Hillary... The 3rd parties got 4% total so if we had rallied behind one 5% could have been possible.
Hell if less people got caught up in this circus show we could have hit 10% and gotten both 3rd parties a huge boost in funding...
It amazes me how people can't see them playing both sides. Every election they make out as some huge deal and both sides are urged to vote for the lesser of two evils and not waste their votes on third parties... In reality voting either main candidate is the waste as nothing really changes either way. We could have given ourselves more options next time though.
But no people don't care enough to take a little time out of their days and bother voting...
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Re: official #didntvote thread [Re: imachavel]
#23816795 - 11/09/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck if I know. Maybe 16 is a bit much. They do have liike a billion people there.
8 would be a fair number.
Also holy fucking shit I had no idea Johnson was on so many ballots. That's pretty cool. Tho I'm sad it's probably only because of how terrible the 2 party played this time around. Still just the fact he was on so many ballots explains why he got so many votes.
Not all states allow write ins and even still there's usually only a handful of valid write ins.
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moonrockmushy said: self-sufficiency is a pipe dream. That would hardly even be considered human.
It's not when you have a farm to work on in the middle of nowhere which is run by a fucking cool dude who's your cousin. Plenty of meat to grow, hunt, kill. Veg grows easy in the climate.
I feel bad just saying it cause I know it's a blessing many don't have, but I wanted to point out that yes, total self sufficiency is a pipe dream, but getting out to the edge of the system is doable, if you're willing to make a bunch of sacrifices.
aka living in a community.
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musiclover420
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CookieCrumbs said: Also holy fucking shit I had no idea Johnson was on so many ballots. That's pretty cool. Tho I'm sad it's probably only because of how terrible the 2 party played this time around. Still just the fact he was on so many ballots explains why he got so many votes.
Not all states allow write ins and even still there's usually only a handful of valid write ins.
It just sucks becouse who knows if he will be on that many next year... If he had managed 5% he definitely would have been on them all.
I voted Jill becouse I liked her stances a bit more and didn't hear about any leanings one way or the other but I wish people would have rallied behind one.
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