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OfflineShroomDoom
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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23818991 - 11/10/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I say 400mg to 800mg is a desirable range for most to shoot for. Any less is a tease.

This came from 3 feet Bridgesii. 1.5 grams total



YMMV




So what is this then?  Pure mescaline?  Sure as fuck doesn't look like those tar balls I had to swallow down. Did you use an a/b extraction?

Maybe that's what I need to do next time to insure I trip...???



It's not pure mescaline it's mescaline and likely any other alkaloidal compounds in bridgesii that are grabbed when performing an STB extraction and still remaining in the following workup/recrystallization. You're getting the same thing in an alcohol extraction but also the tannins, waxes, terpenes, plant oils and other things that make it look like ball of tar.


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23819226 - 11/10/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If that's truly the case I either had really weak cuttings, or very small cuttings.  Again, I don't think the length means a god damn thing does it?




Bridgesii is pretty consistent in potency. Sure there is some variation between specimens and things like growing conditions and other factors matter, but with bridgesii you are generally guaranteed a solid dose at 12 inches unless the cutting is unusually scrawny or what not.




That's only based on anecdotal evidence. There's not much scientific data about bridgesii, but what little bit of data there is does not support this claim.

http://sci-hub.cc/10.1016/j.jep.2010.07.021


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: healing]
    #23819924 - 11/10/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There are reports of super potent pachanois out there, but bridgesii consistently outperforms pachanoi that people are actually buying online or finding in their local nurseries. It has long been speculated that bridgesii's powerful effects are coming from more than just the mescaline, i.e. other alkaloids or maoi's unique to bridgesii.


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23819962 - 11/10/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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There are reports of super potent pachanois out there, but bridgesii consistently outperforms pachanoi that people are actually buying online or finding in their local nurseries. It has long been speculated that bridgesii's powerful effects are coming from more than just the mescaline, i.e. other alkaloids or maoi's unique to bridgesii.




Unless you can provide a link to some research it's just anecdotal.


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23819964 - 11/10/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Only done the HCl once, all I can say is 300mg wasn't enough. I think 500mg would be better. I'll get back to you on that one.


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: krypto2000]
    #23820297 - 11/10/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I say 400mg to 800mg is a desirable range for most to shoot for. Any less is a tease.

This came from 3 feet Bridgesii. 1.5 grams total



YMMV




So what is this then?  Pure mescaline?  Sure as fuck doesn't look like those tar balls I had to swallow down. Did you use an a/b extraction?

Maybe that's what I need to do next time to insure I trip...???




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23775827




I'm very tempted to do this but I think I'm just going to try the alcohol extractions tek again but increase dosage and space it out.

I'm thinking 50g dried powder worth of tar, then waiting 60-90 mins and then eating another 25g dried powder worth of tar.

I'm drying out 48" right now :bigyesnod:


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: healing]
    #23820333 - 11/10/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Unless you can provide a link to some research it's just anecdotal.




See Trout's discussion of bridgesii in his 2013 publication The Cactus Alkaloids.  Here's the link: http://sacredcacti.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/CactusAlkaloids_2013.pdf

Specifically see page 101 where he goes in depth on bridgesii. "All forms said active in bioassays"... "In general it is a better choice for intensive propagation than are most pachanoi or peruvianus"... "occasional report as high as 2%"... "1.2% recovery"... "Isolation recovery values of 0.7 % & 1.16%"...

Yes there are reports of pachanoi with mescaline content as high as 5% however if you actually read through the literature it is clear that many of these reports are from older literature and/or instances in which the procedural methodology has been called into question.

Everyone knows that there are supposedly super potent pachanois in shamanic use deep in Ecuador somewhere...  Everyone also knows that here in the real world bridgesii is consistently the most active trich species available in trade.

Look I don't know that much about chemistry and I don't really care to know much about it either because it doesn't really matter.  When it comes down to it I keep seeing these posts on the Shroomery where people are trying to have a psychedelic experience with San Pedro cactus and it doesn't work out for them.  I think that's sad and it leaves me shaking my head.  It is very easy to have a strong psychedleic experience with trichocereus cactus.  All it takes is 12 inches of good bridgesii.  You despine it, chop it up, peel the skin off, and eat it.  It makes you trip hard everytime.


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23820405 - 11/10/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Unless you can provide a link to some research it's just anecdotal.




See Trout's discussion of bridgesii in his 2013 publication The Cactus Alkaloids.  Here's the link: http://sacredcacti.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/CactusAlkaloids_2013.pdf

Specifically see page 101 where he goes in depth on bridgesii. "All forms said active in bioassays"... "In general it is a better choice for intensive propagation than are most pachanoi or peruvianus"... "occasional report as high as 2%"... "1.2% recovery"... "Isolation recovery values of 0.7 % & 1.16%"...

Yes there are reports of pachanoi with mescaline content as high as 5% however if you actually read through the literature it is clear that many of these reports are from older literature and/or instances in which the procedural methodology has been called into question.

Everyone knows that there are supposedly super potent pachanois in shamanic use deep in Ecuador somewhere...  Everyone also knows that here in the real world bridgesii is consistently the most active trich species available in trade.

Look I don't know that much about chemistry and I don't really care to know much about it either because it doesn't really matter.  When it comes down to it I keep seeing these posts on the Shroomery where people are trying to have a psychedelic experience with San Pedro cactus and it doesn't work out for them.  I think that's sad and it leaves me shaking my head.  It is very easy to have a strong psychedleic experience with trichocereus cactus.  All it takes is 12 inches of good bridgesii.  You despine it, chop it up, peel the skin off, and eat it.  It makes you trip hard everytime.




It's fine to say that you believe that bridgesii tends to be more consistently potent than san pedro. I'm not disputing that many people believe this.

Your own source has evidence of a dried bridgesii cactus with mescaline content at 0.18%, so it's possible that while a higher percentage of bridgesii cacti are potent, there are still some that are not.

That's the whole point of this discussion. Not to say, "Bridgesii sucks." I would personally choose bridgesii if I were to consume a cactus. It's just that this particular person seems to have found one of the cacti that does in fact have low alkaloid content. That's the context of the conversation.


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: healing]
    #23820415 - 11/10/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's fine to say that you believe that bridgesii tends to be more consistently potent than san pedro. I'm not disputing that many people believe this.

Your own source has evidence of a dried bridgesii cactus with mescaline content at 0.18%, so it's possible that while a higher percentage of bridgesii cacti are potent, there are still some that are not.

That's the whole point of this discussion. Not to say, "Bridgesii sucks." I would personally choose bridgesii if I were to consume a cactus. It's just that this particular person seems to have found one of the cacti that does in fact have low alkaloid content. That's the context of the conversation.



Alkaloid content also depend on age. Could have been a young, fresh tip, they generally are pretty weak until a couple of seasons has gone by IME.


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23820648 - 11/10/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

300mg is good times all around without getting deep head space, perfect for 1st timers diving into the psychedelics or those times you want to stay functional and active.  Definitely has a great vibe and some nice 'tidal vision'. Dose sunrise at the beach and by sunset you'll be good to make your way home all while capturing stellar sunrise and sunset sky..the fish you catch in the mean time are definitely not the same as baseline. (everyone is different though so take that into account before you attempt or think you can drive) 300mg of off white xtals so other alkloids included. Two of which give effects (so I've read) probally others in the cacti as well. 500mg is good Swim prefers not to wash already formed off color xtals as to not lose these.  If oils/fats carry over they might be washed or just be rolled into balls put in a capsule then top off with xtals depending on how swim feels.  500mg is where things start to really get interesting.
With PC cuts enough can be utilized to produced mind blowing effects.


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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23832877 - 11/14/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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