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DustyBottoms



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Your ideal mescaline dosage...
#23813277 - 11/08/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I recently extracted some mescaline tar from 46g of Bridgesii powder. I made the powder myself and used the ENTIRE cactus, not just the skin. The 46g came from exactly 24" of cactus cuttings for those interested. I used an alcohol extraction tek.
I was a little disappointed with the trip itself and feel that I could have handled more. A lot more. But based on previous discussions with a few others from this site, they had me thinking that 40g would be more than plenty. Now I'm realizing this was maybe poor advice. I mean I had a good time but I feel like I didnt really get to experience all that mescaline has to offer.
I'm curious to know how much you guys take for a good, strong mescaline trip??? I just ordered another 48" and I'm thinking about ramping my next trip (over Thanksgiving) to 75g of powder this time.
Thoughts?
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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23813375 - 11/08/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who knows? The one thing about mescaline cacti is that they vary in potency far more than any other entheogen I have ever encountered. Ive had some cactuses that were 8 times stronger than other cactuses meaning 1 foot of one was equal to 8 ft of the other.
WIth that kind of variance, it is very difficult to tell someone how much to take. THe standard rule of thump is to start with a 12 inch cutting and work from there. Ive had many disapointing underwhelming cactus trips as well as four accidental overdoses that ended up being cosmic experiences.
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DustyBottoms



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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: Peyote Road]
#23813401 - 11/08/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: Who knows? The one thing about mescaline cacti is that they vary in potency far more than any other entheogen I have ever encountered. Ive had some cactuses that were 8 times stronger than other cactuses meaning 1 foot of one was equal to 8 ft of the other.
WIth that kind of variance, it is very difficult to tell someone how much to take. THe standard rule of thump is to start with a 12 inch cutting and work from there. Ive had many disapointing underwhelming cactus trips as well as four accidental overdoses that ended up being cosmic experiences.
Hey dude...yeah I've heard the whole "start with 12 inches too" but I also hear that length doesnt mean shit, and that it's more about the dried weight. But as I mentioned above, i give the dried weight (46g) and the wet length (24") and I was a little disappointed.
As you say cactus can vary wildly, but I also was under the impression that Bridgesii was supposed to be the strongest and most reliable...is this BS?
That said, I'm still planning on taking it up to 75 dried grams...or approx 3 feet assuming they are the same size as the last ones I ordered.
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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23813592 - 11/08/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its just so highly variable, its hit or miss ive always tripped from 5 0g dried flesh, but potency varies so much, id shoot for 75 grams that should garuntee a trip
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krypto2000
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This is another reason I favor extraction, though even then it varies quite a bit. I can tell you 400mg of an extract will be a good trip, but 400mg is not an exact dosage either because each extraction will always have a variable amount of mescaline in it. From what I have read synthetic mescaline has an average dose of 200mg where as extracts people commonly take 400-600mg.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: krypto2000]
#23813667 - 11/08/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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400-700mg mescaline hcl
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DustyBottoms



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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23813705 - 11/08/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: 400-700mg mescaline hcl
I realize this is a very tough question to answer but can you at least try...how many g of mescaline powder would this take to get that amount from using an alcohol extraction?
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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23813785 - 11/08/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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80g
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DustyBottoms



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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: krypto2000]
#23813799 - 11/08/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Grey Fox

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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23815740 - 11/09/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sad thing is 2 feet of bridgesii contains enough alkaloids for 2 people to both have a strong trip. Best of luck with your future endeavors. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole extraction thing.
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DustyBottoms



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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: Grey Fox]
#23816423 - 11/09/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Grey Fox said: Sad thing is 2 feet of bridgesii contains enough alkaloids for 2 people to both have a strong trip. Best of luck with your future endeavors. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole extraction thing.
If that's truly the case I either had really weak cuttings, or very small cuttings. Again, I don't think the length means a god damn thing does it?
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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23816554 - 11/09/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No. But that had to be weak bridgesii to have less than 1% mescaline. How much did you trip, what effects did you experience? Were there visuals, trippy head space etc. or just body effects? Knowing what you mean by being "underwhelmed" would be helpful.
People generally say 400-600mg is a solid dose. Hard to know how much you got, but unless you have a real high natural tolerance 40g dry of some good strong bridgesii should have been enough to have a satisfying trip.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (11/09/16 03:14 PM)
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ShroomDoom
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I say 400mg to 800mg is a desirable range for most to shoot for. Any less is a tease.
This came from 3 feet Bridgesii. 1.5 grams total

YMMV
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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: ShroomDoom]
#23817478 - 11/09/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ShroomDoom said: I say 400mg to 800mg is a desirable range for most to shoot for. Any less is a tease.
This came from 3 feet Bridgesii. 1.5 grams total

YMMV
That looks tasty as fuck.
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Pandemoon
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Very tasty indeed! 
There was this rather small bridgesii topcutting, very thin (1.5") and short, blowing my mind so hard! 8-10 inches have been stronger than any 4-5g mushroom trip I had so far. I put it aside for almost a year, wrapped up in a towel. It grew some small roots along it's side during that time and dehydrated quite a bit. But wow what a trip! Glad I saved the genetics and didn't eat the whole cutting. So powerful, I cannot imagine accidently ingesting two feet of such a potent plant. Eversince I mix quite a few different speciemen into one single brew / tar / mix, to get rid of these variations.
And again, those needles look so nice! 
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DustyBottoms



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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: ShroomDoom]
#23818284 - 11/10/16 03:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ShroomDoom said: I say 400mg to 800mg is a desirable range for most to shoot for. Any less is a tease.
This came from 3 feet Bridgesii. 1.5 grams total

YMMV
So what is this then? Pure mescaline? Sure as fuck doesn't look like those tar balls I had to swallow down. Did you use an a/b extraction?
Maybe that's what I need to do next time to insure I trip...???
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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23818454 - 11/10/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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DustyBottoms said:
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ShroomDoom said: I say 400mg to 800mg is a desirable range for most to shoot for. Any less is a tease.
This came from 3 feet Bridgesii. 1.5 grams total

YMMV
So what is this then? Pure mescaline? Sure as fuck doesn't look like those tar balls I had to swallow down. Did you use an a/b extraction?
Maybe that's what I need to do next time to insure I trip...???
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Grey Fox

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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23818720 - 11/10/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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DustyBottoms said: If that's truly the case I either had really weak cuttings, or very small cuttings. Again, I don't think the length means a god damn thing does it?
Bridgesii is pretty consistent in potency. Sure there is some variation between specimens and things like growing conditions and other factors matter, but with bridgesii you are generally guaranteed a solid dose at 12 inches unless the cutting is unusually scrawny or what not. While the 12 inch rule of thumb is certainly imperfect for guaranteeing a specific measurement of mescaline or alkaloid content, nevertheless 12 inches is a helpful standard in guaging the potency of a specific plant. In other words if someone has several different plants and always samples 12 inches of growth then that person gets a good feel over time for which plants are most potent. Of course young tip growth is not as potent as fat older growth, etc. But all those factors are taken into consideration. The point is that 12 inches is a very helpful standard for people who are actually interested in the PLANTS, not just in amassing tar and crystals.
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Grey Fox

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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: Grey Fox]
#23818737 - 11/10/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once a potent plant is identified and grown with care in good conditions a 12 inch cutting will always be strong.
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Grey Fox

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Re: Your ideal mescaline dosage... [Re: Grey Fox]
#23818914 - 11/10/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A high quality vendor should have already done all this work for the customer. And the reality is that most of the potent plants out there in circulation are bridgesii. Yes there are reports of very potent pachanoi out there but it seems like very few people have actually encountered that. Therefore the most reliable way to go right now is to order a 12 inch cutting of quality bridgesii from a quality vendor and just eat the thing, except for the skin and spines.
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