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I have truly grown to hate this forum. * 6
    #23812464 - 11/08/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] * 2
    #23812476 - 11/08/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have not seen such threads, but I do not bother you to feed such nonsense. Most people here are beautiful and respectful from my experience. And I personally love to hear from all perspectives of religion and otherwise. I love shroomery.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] * 8
    #23812479 - 11/08/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with you, the pro faggotry and tranny bias in this forum is out of control, considering they are less than one percent of the population.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] * 7
    #23812480 - 11/08/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




well flaming religious folks is all well and good, but I must point out there is a world of difference between being religious and being a homosexual.

1. being gay is not a choice as I understand it.
2. gayness is not an ideology that puts forth unfounded arguments about the nature and purpose of reality, or clings to certain principles of morality

while insulting religious people offhand is no good, challenging their poorly defended and reasoned beliefs is I think, a duty in the service of mankind and the preservation of logical discourse in the face of base emotional wishful thinking, and I would not be surprised if you've run into either of these, you've got every right to complain about the former and none to whine about the latter


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou] * 1
    #23812483 - 11/08/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with you, the pro faggotry and tranny bias in this forum is out of control, considering they are less than one percent of the population.




go somewhere you feel at home then, like stormfront maybe


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] * 8
    #23812488 - 11/08/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...



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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812494 - 11/08/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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greencrush420 said:
If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




that's not hypocritical sir
calling a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic is over the top, but somewhat justified if they in fact hold the beliefs of a mentally incompetent lunatic, or are incapable of grasping the simple principles of logical argumentation.

saying homosexuals are inherently unnatural and ought to suffer for eternity is baseless, hateful, and not founded in logic.


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    #23812497 - 11/08/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

One could say being gay is a poorly defended and reasoned belief.... yin and yang my friend. Perspectives  :yinyangtrip:


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    #23812500 - 11/08/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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One could say being gay is a poorly defended and reasoned belief.... yin and yang my friend. Perspectives  :yinyangtrip:




not even though, being gay is not a belief. Sexual orientation is a natural drive not an ideology. It's well demonstrated that homosexuality is naturally occurring, and even serves purposes among social animals like humans. Equating it to religious belief is just nonsense


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23812508 - 11/08/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Im not equating it to anything. Im just saying everyone is entitled to their own opinions and there are always multiple angles to everything. I do agree they everyone should just chill and treat everyone else with respect even if they disagree with core ideals :shroomeryhead:


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    #23812516 - 11/08/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23812519 - 11/08/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with you, the pro faggotry and tranny bias in this forum is out of control, considering they are less than one percent of the population.




go somewhere you feel at home then, like stormfront maybe




What does loudly proclaiming your unorthodox and abnormal sexual preference, have to do with growing mushrooms as a hobby?

Cute stormfront comment, lol.

Nazis are just as offensive as trannies and homosexuals considering most of the nazi leadership believed in neo pagan hellenistic pederasty, and held meetings in berlin gay bars, as referenced in the book the pink swastica.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #23812523 - 11/08/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Im not equating it to anything. Im just saying everyone is entitled to their own opinions and there are always multiple angles to everything. I do agree they everyone should just chill and treat everyone else with respect even if they disagree with core ideals :shroomeryhead:




mostly I agree, and see what you're saying, but I disagree that people are entitled to their opinions. If you have an opinion, and present it as an argument in discussion or a forum, you have to expect to defend it. If you can't defend your belief, it is a belief you shouldn't hold.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23812524 - 11/08/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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that's not hypocritical sir
calling a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic is over the top, but somewhat justified if they in fact hold the beliefs of a mentally incompetent lunatic



Case in point.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23812528 - 11/08/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Doesn't matter if it's not the best comparison, I think his point is that they're both considered flaming, yet one goes unpunished the majority of the time.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23812531 - 11/08/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:
I agree with you, the pro faggotry and tranny bias in this forum is out of control, considering they are less than one percent of the population.




go somewhere you feel at home then, like stormfront maybe




What does loudly proclaiming your unorthodox and abnormal sexual preference, have to do with growing mushrooms as a hobby?

Cute stormfront comment, lol.

Nazis are just as offensive as trannies and homosexuals considering most of the nazi leadership believed in neo pagan hellenistic pederasty, and held meetings in berlin gay bars, as referenced in the book the pink swastica.




dontcha know mushrooms make you gay brah?
The focus on trans people is a little odd, but i guess it comes with the territory. I wouldn't equate trans people with homosexuals myself, as homosexuals are far more common and an ancient phenomena, the trans thing I don't have a strong opinion on either way

good to hear you're not a nazi, but why such hate in you?


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812535 - 11/08/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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that's not hypocritical sir
calling a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic is over the top, but somewhat justified if they in fact hold the beliefs of a mentally incompetent lunatic



Case in point.




if people are indeed flaming you, then sure, they're in the wrong. If they're just calling out your unsupported and illogical beliefs in an argumentative context, that's different.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23812538 - 11/08/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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1. being gay is not a choice as I understand it.
2. gayness is not an ideology that puts forth unfounded arguments about the nature and purpose of reality, or clings to certain principles of morality

you've got every right to complain about the former and none to whine about the latter




Why? Why should someone have no right to complain about being personal attacked because of their spirituality?


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23812542 - 11/08/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Homosexuals and bu sexuals are more like 10% of the population.

Religious people get shit on because of the gruop the repersent. If you want to believe all that ridiculous cult money worship go for it.  Just expect the rest of the world that is evolving to continue to ridicule you. 

Dldr op and other people hate gays and think we should have a christ forum, because i am willing to bet both of you hate islam and say very negative things about it. That would be hypocrisy correct?

Why do people get concerned about how other people fuck?  That is a left over power and control trip of organizations of faith.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Eminence]
    #23812543 - 11/08/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Doesn't matter if it's not the best comparison, I think his point is that they're both considered flaming, yet one goes unpunished the majority of the time.



Yup


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou] * 7
    #23812547 - 11/08/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What does loudly proclaiming your unorthodox and abnormal sexual preference, have to do with growing mushrooms as a hobby?




How have you been here nearly 11 years and have no idea what growing mushrooms has to do with being gay?


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812554 - 11/08/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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1. being gay is not a choice as I understand it.
2. gayness is not an ideology that puts forth unfounded arguments about the nature and purpose of reality, or clings to certain principles of morality

you've got every right to complain about the former and none to whine about the latter




Why? Why should someone have no right to complain about being personal attacked because of their spirituality?




that's not what I said
I said you have every right to complain if someone insults you
You have no right to complain if however they debate your position and challenge your beliefs, if they do so respectfully. I am willing to concede 'respect' rarely enters into play in this forum and in that sense your complaint is justified, I just notice many religious people can't hold it together when someone challenges their reasoning, that may not include yourself I don't know, didn't even know you were religious


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] * 7
    #23812557 - 11/08/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm a flaming homo and a raging Man of God with an angel dust syringe up my ass. I'm also a community leader. Some things are not right about the Shroomery but most things are. Most things are quite allright here.

People TORCH admins here and dont get banned. People can generally speak their mind here, there is censorship yes but you have to draw the line somewhere.

The Shroomery won't sugarcoat, not for you and certainly not for me, I have been under hostile fire every day since I registered, but it made me a stronger and wiser man.

The Shroomery has heart and soul, yes, AND BS and dogma, but so does real life.

Can you handle that?

Plenty of places that are more censored to make you feel more secure.

Anti Gay, nay, God made me that way.

Can't handle it, sorry, all major species of animals have homosexual behaviors among them, so whether its overies or testicles, grow a pair.

I love you man. As a brother, nothing sexual.

The Gay is here to stay and won't go away and so is the Queer, dear.

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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou] * 3
    #23812559 - 11/08/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What does loudly proclaiming your unorthodox and abnormal sexual preference, have to do with growing mushrooms as a hobby?

Cute stormfront comment, lol.

Nazis are just as offensive as trannies and homosexuals considering most of the nazi leadership believed in neo pagan hellenistic pederasty, and held meetings in berlin gay bars, as referenced in the book the pink swastica.




Hi, welcome to the pub, where less than 1% of threads have anything to do with mushroom growing.


Also you really can't bitch about people being bias and upset about your lifestyle if you are bias and upset about others. I'm sure you would agree it is one thing to say you do not agree... Going out of your way to label a harmless lifestyle as evil and insane is hypocritical, immature, and something I and other reasoned people should no agree with.

...and the Nazi's murdered millions of accused homosexuals. It doesn't matter if many were closet homosexuals. So are plenty of Christians. That doesn't mean they condone or support it or that homosexuality has anything to do with their organization. :facepalm: it's like you don't even try to make sense with your hypocrisy.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Asante]
    #23812565 - 11/08/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's still hard for me to buy the whole "animals can be gay too" argument when I've seen a pig try to fuck an exhaust pipe. I think it's more likely animals are just stupid and are trying to fuck whatever they can fit their cocks into.


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    #23812566 - 11/08/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I truly dont hate anyone, not even fags or trannies. I am just sick of the media having an agenda to normalize lgbt lifestyles, and force feeding it to everyone via the media, hollywood, political correctness, public education and social justice warriors. Its gross, and 99 percent of the population shouldnt have to accomodate 1 percent's offensive and abnormal lifestyle. Isnt that the rational behind occupy wallstreet, and rich fat cats raping the world financially? Why doesnt this logic hold up with sexual perversion?


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou] * 3
    #23812578 - 11/08/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I truly dont hate anyone, not even fags or trannies. I am just sick of the media having an agenda to normalize lgbt lifestyles, and force feeding it to everyone via the media, hollywood, political correctness, public education and social justice warriors. Its gross, and 99 percent of the population shouldnt have to accomodate 1 percent's offensive and abnormal lifestyle. Isnt that the rational behind occupy wallstreet, and rich fat cats raping the world financially? Why doesnt this logic hold up with sexual perversion?




this is an example of a post deserving of being labeled idiotic.

homosexuality isn't only 1% of the population its usually thought to be about 10%
it ought to be normalized and accepted because it does no harm to include gays, and it does worlds of harm to ridicule and demonize them. What so offends you about it anyway? How does it affect you, if there are gay people out there not being beaten or arrested for how they were born?

if your answer includes god then that's a perfect example of why said envisioning of said deity is harmful and deserves to be challenged.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812580 - 11/08/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Whats your religious beliefs?

And what forums are u getting hate in?


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812584 - 11/08/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We ven let you speak your mind, don't we, supersaiyan?




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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Asante]
    #23812588 - 11/08/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The gay thing was just an example meant to demonstrate how attacking one demographic personally will get you banned, while attacking another is generally applauded.
I think you missed my point.
I get that, as a general rule, this forum has grown more relaxed, and bans are less common than when I first joined. I appreciate that, and it helps foster discussion in some instances.
I wasn't arguing that people who question religion should be banned. How could they ever learn if they cannot question?

I was arguing for a more tolerant approach to spiritual people in the forum, who are often suppressed by incessant flaming quicker than they can state their beliefs.

For instance, just earlier, someone bet that I hate gays, and Islam, with no knowledge of my religion. Who said my religion is not Islam? Anyone? Now, I happen to be Christian, but the point stands. The calling me a bigot and muslim hater started, before I even stated my religious beliefs.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23812594 - 11/08/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Also you really can't bitch about people being bias and upset about your lifestyle if you are bias and upset about others. .




Luke 6:31, biatch.

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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] * 1
    #23812595 - 11/08/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Religion doesn't exist, god doesn't exist, it's all just delusional thinking. That's why people bash it, because it's the same as believing in Santa Claus as an adult. The delusional thinking of religion has caused (and continues to cause) enormous amounts of suffering in the world.

Humanity needs to grow up and stop believing in make believe fairy tales, and that includes all of you. We can't just keep believing in pretend BS as a species for the rest of time. We need to grow up and confront the realities of the universe we actually live in.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: nooneman]
    #23812599 - 11/08/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Religion doesn't exist, god doesn't exist, it's all just delusional thinking. That's why people bash it, because it's the same as believing in Santa Claus as an adult. The delusional thinking of religion has caused (and continues to cause) enormous amounts of suffering in the world.

Humanity needs to grow up and stop believing in make believe fairy tales, and that includes all of you. We can't just keep believing in pretend BS as a species for the rest of time. We need to grow up and confront the realities of the universe we actually live in.




And if anyone gets triggered by this, go get your bible and read all of Luke.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812600 - 11/08/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't worry, I got your point and I hope you got mine. It isnt about one specific stance, its about the big things and the little things.

You feel you must stand for what you believe in and so do we.

We may agree or disagree on things but nothing but peace for you from me.


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    #23812601 - 11/08/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:
I truly dont hate anyone, not even fags or trannies. I am just sick of the media having an agenda to normalize lgbt lifestyles, and force feeding it to everyone via the media, hollywood, political correctness, public education and social justice warriors. Its gross, and 99 percent of the population shouldnt have to accomodate 1 percent's offensive and abnormal lifestyle. Isnt that the rational behind occupy wallstreet, and rich fat cats raping the world financially? Why doesnt this logic hold up with sexual perversion?



I sure wish stupidity would stop thinking it wasn't stupid.

Go read a bible and rejoin the dark ages... the reason people flame this stuff is because we are not in sunday bible study being brainwashed. 

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    #23812604 - 11/08/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou] * 1
    #23812607 - 11/08/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:
I truly dont hate anyone, not even fags or trannies. I am just sick of the media having an agenda to normalize lgbt lifestyles, and force feeding it to everyone via the media, hollywood, political correctness, public education and social justice warriors. Its gross, and 99 percent of the population shouldnt have to accomodate 1 percent's offensive and abnormal lifestyle. Isnt that the rational behind occupy wallstreet, and rich fat cats raping the world financially? Why doesnt this logic hold up with sexual perversion?



If you call trying to get people to understand that being with the same sex is not an abomination, then therein lies the problem. You may not like it but there is nothing wrong about it, period. There are new studies that say it is 10-12% of the population, and that is a VERY large amount of people in this world. Be of the world, not just in it.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812613 - 11/08/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We ven let you speak your mind, don't we, supersaiyan?




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    #23812615 - 11/08/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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One could say being gay is a poorly defended and reasoned belief.... yin and yang my friend. Perspectives  :yinyangtrip:



Yeah but the person saying that is a religious idiot so you can discount their beliefs as irrational magical thinking.


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    #23812616 - 11/08/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:

What does loudly proclaiming your unorthodox and abnormal sexual preference, have to do with growing mushrooms as a hobby?

Cute stormfront comment, lol.

Nazis are just as offensive as trannies and homosexuals considering most of the nazi leadership believed in neo pagan hellenistic pederasty, and held meetings in berlin gay bars, as referenced in the book the pink swastica.




Hi, welcome to the pub, where less than 1% of threads have anything to do with mushroom growing.


Also you really can't bitch about people being bias and upset about your lifestyle if you are bias and upset about others. I'm sure you would agree it is one thing to say you do not agree... Going out of your way to label a harmless lifestyle as evil and insane is hypocritical, immature, and something I and other reasoned people should no agree with.

...and the Nazi's murdered millions of accused homosexuals. It doesn't matter if many were closet homosexuals. So are plenty of Christians. That doesn't mean they condone or support it or that homosexuality has anything to do with their organization. :facepalm: it's like you don't even try to make sense with your hypocrisy.




The nazis supposedly only killed effeminate gays. They identified with ancient greek warrior cultures like sparta and beleived it to be manly to have sex with prepubescent boys, but they despised, adult effeminate gays which were the millions they supposedly killed. This is according to the book so read it if you want a better understanding of their ideology. The reich was supposed to be a reinstitution of ancient germanic warrior kings, thats why wagner was all about camelot and parsival and all that shit. Part of this cultural revival included pagan hellenistic warrior ideology which included pederasty as a way to train young boys to be soldiers. This was the underlying structure for the hitler youth.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23812617 - 11/08/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:
I truly dont hate anyone, not even fags or trannies. I am just sick of the media having an agenda to normalize lgbt lifestyles, and force feeding it to everyone via the media, hollywood, political correctness, public education and social justice warriors. Its gross, and 99 percent of the population shouldnt have to accomodate 1 percent's offensive and abnormal lifestyle. Isnt that the rational behind occupy wallstreet, and rich fat cats raping the world financially? Why doesnt this logic hold up with sexual perversion?




this is an example of a post deserving of being labeled idiotic.

homosexuality isn't only 1% of the population its usually thought to be about 10%
it ought to be normalized and accepted because it does no harm to include gays, and it does worlds of harm to ridicule and demonize them. What so offends you about it anyway? How does it affect you, if there are gay people out there not being beaten or arrested for how they were born?

if your answer includes god then that's a perfect example of why said envisioning of said deity is harmful and deserves to be challenged.




I'm in a twisted enough mood that I almost wish we did get into the God hates fags debate. Because the truth is there is absolutely no evidence of that in appropriately studied mainstream Christian literature. And I'd almost like to break someone's belief and to crack the foundation of ones self righteousness because of all the convoluted childish shit of "it's not fair that people don't accommodate and accept me... But we shouldn't accommodate and accept others because my Christian leaders said that God says we shouldn't... And besides there's not many of them anyway."


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23812618 - 11/08/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Stop saying stupid things and people will stop calling you stupid.




Well, I didn't say anything stupid. I guess that's all about perspective though, huh?


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23812619 - 11/08/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

dont like it then leave... Shroomery is literally filled with the most down to earth funniest fuckers i've ever known. how can you hate a site dedicated to good times and psychedelics? like hat the fuck...



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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] * 1
    #23812620 - 11/08/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The gay thing was just an example meant to demonstrate how attacking one demographic personally will get you banned, while attacking another is generally applauded.
I think you missed my point.
I get that, as a general rule, this forum has grown more relaxed, and bans are less common than when I first joined. I appreciate that, and it helps foster discussion in some instances.
I wasn't arguing that people who question religion should be banned. How could they ever learn if they cannot question?

I was arguing for a more tolerant approach to spiritual people in the forum, who are often suppressed by incessant flaming quicker than they can state their beliefs.

For instance, just earlier, someone bet that I hate gays, and Islam, with no knowledge of my religion. Who said my religion is not Islam? Anyone? Now, I happen to be Christian, but the point stands. The calling me a bigot and muslim hater started, before I even stated my religious beliefs.



Haha i hit the nail on the head huh?

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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23812626 - 11/08/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How quickly the waters get muddied.


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    #23812628 - 11/08/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:
I truly dont hate anyone, not even fags or trannies. I am just sick of the media having an agenda to normalize lgbt lifestyles, and force feeding it to everyone via the media, hollywood, political correctness, public education and social justice warriors. Its gross, and 99 percent of the population shouldnt have to accomodate 1 percent's offensive and abnormal lifestyle. Isnt that the rational behind occupy wallstreet, and rich fat cats raping the world financially? Why doesnt this logic hold up with sexual perversion?



I sure wish stupidity would stop thinking it wasn't stupid.

Go read a bible and rejoin the dark ages... the reason people flame this stuff is because we are not in sunday bible study being brainwashed. 

Stop saying stupid things and people will stop calling you stupid.



You are assuming i am religious because i think two dudes fucking is gross.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23812631 - 11/08/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:
Quote:

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rickpsfuckyou said:
I truly dont hate anyone, not even fags or trannies. I am just sick of the media having an agenda to normalize lgbt lifestyles, and force feeding it to everyone via the media, hollywood, political correctness, public education and social justice warriors. Its gross, and 99 percent of the population shouldnt have to accomodate 1 percent's offensive and abnormal lifestyle. Isnt that the rational behind occupy wallstreet, and rich fat cats raping the world financially? Why doesnt this logic hold up with sexual perversion?



I sure wish stupidity would stop thinking it wasn't stupid.

Go read a bible and rejoin the dark ages... the reason people flame this stuff is because we are not in sunday bible study being brainwashed. 

Stop saying stupid things and people will stop calling you stupid.



You are assuming i am religious because i think two dudes fucking is gross.




you're either a bigot, or a religious bigot. Which is it?


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812633 - 11/08/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Only if your gaze does not pierce them.

We all have a love hate relationship with this place, the place is a trip, a grand confrontation between the Self and the World.

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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23812634 - 11/08/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dude you can't even forumlate your position because it is completely hypocritical. 

Let me propose it this way.  I am a priest in the church cocksucking. It is all that is holy to me,  i personally don't hate people that don't follow my faith but can't they all just go back to their closets and stay there. 

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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812636 - 11/08/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well most of the mods and admins are either gay or trans, so what does that tell us?, it tells us that the shroomery is just as corrupt as the hollywood industry.. It's a a conspiracy i tell ya!..

But yea i agree op, tis irony, the way i see it tho everyone is mental to an extent, peeps who call other peeps retarded or wutevr for their religious beliefs and what not are only fooling themselves..


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23812639 - 11/08/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

your visceral reaction doesn't have to mean you demonize an entire 10% of the population though, I find the idea of gay sex gross, but no one is making me watch gay sex... so it's irrelevant isn't it?


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812643 - 11/08/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23812644 - 11/08/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Whats your religious beliefs?

And what forums are u getting hate in?




Well, you don't have to look far. :lol:
The bigots came out in full force rather quickly on this one.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou] * 1
    #23812647 - 11/08/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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ReposadoXochipilli said:
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rickpsfuckyou said:
I truly dont hate anyone, not even fags or trannies. I am just sick of the media having an agenda to normalize lgbt lifestyles, and force feeding it to everyone via the media, hollywood, political correctness, public education and social justice warriors. Its gross, and 99 percent of the population shouldnt have to accomodate 1 percent's offensive and abnormal lifestyle. Isnt that the rational behind occupy wallstreet, and rich fat cats raping the world financially? Why doesnt this logic hold up with sexual perversion?



I sure wish stupidity would stop thinking it wasn't stupid.

Go read a bible and rejoin the dark ages... the reason people flame this stuff is because we are not in sunday bible study being brainwashed. 

Stop saying stupid things and people will stop calling you stupid.



You are assuming i am religious because i think two dudes fucking is gross.




True. You could be one of those hideous looking straight guys who think that gay men want to fuck you despite being smelly and fat. Trust me we don't


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    #23812649 - 11/08/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes the bigots started with the op


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    #23812653 - 11/08/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




The door is right there.



:shrug: I now, at .6 posts a day, I sometimes leave for months at a time. I think 11 is the record. I'm nearing that point again, and you'll all still be here, bigoted as ever, when I come back with some silly question for the cult forum and start posting again.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812656 - 11/08/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Whats your religious beliefs?

And what forums are u getting hate in?




Well, you don't have to look far. :lol:
The bigots came out in full force rather quickly on this one.



:ahahaha:
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    #23812661 - 11/08/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes the bigots started with the op




How so? I'm not intolerant of those who disagree with me, just those who stifle any opinion which does not coincide with their own.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812662 - 11/08/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




If you dont like it dont post

That said, i agree. Perhaps everyone should just keep their mouths shut when it comes to religion.
Im not religious but i dont march around and piss in everyones pudding who is.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23812663 - 11/08/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Because we didn't agree with his pathetically small world view.  His ego asserts he is too great to be wrong hence we are all bigots. Living life is so much easier when you are rightious.


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    #23812665 - 11/08/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How quickly the waters get muddied.




Muddy water is exactly the point and problem. I personally don't like people who have the holier than thou anti religion attitudes either. That too is childish.

Christians aren't special though. Muslims and, yes even 'trannies' get plenty of hate here. I personally think that many pub comments cross the line on any number of lifestyle choices and should be disciplined or at least removed.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812666 - 11/08/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes the bigots started with the op




How so? I'm not intolerant of those who disagree with me, just those who stifle any opinion which does not coincide with their own.




as far as I can see nothing you've said is explicitly bigoted, rickpsfuckyou had that covered.


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    #23812667 - 11/08/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Religion doesn't exist, god doesn't exist, it's all just delusional thinking. That's why people bash it, because it's the same as believing in Santa Claus as an adult. The delusional thinking of religion has caused (and continues to cause) enormous amounts of suffering in the world.

Humanity needs to grow up and stop believing in make believe fairy tales, and that includes all of you. We can't just keep believing in pretend BS as a species for the rest of time. We need to grow up and confront the realities of the universe we actually live in.




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    #23812671 - 11/08/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think theres a perception of transgendered hate on this forum because the most vocal trans member is simply fuckin annoying :shrug:


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    #23812672 - 11/08/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The bigotry is clearly being displayed by the pro lgbt side of the argument. I have been called religious, fat & smelly, stupid, and a bigot for simply expressing a dissenting opinion than the so called "tolerant people" in this thread. Also let the record show my opinion is held by at least 90% of the global population.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou] * 1
    #23812673 - 11/08/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What does loudly proclaiming your unorthodox and abnormal sexual preference, have to do with growing mushrooms as a hobby?

Cute stormfront comment, lol.

Nazis are just as offensive as trannies and homosexuals considering most of the nazi leadership believed in neo pagan hellenistic pederasty, and held meetings in berlin gay bars, as referenced in the book the pink swastica.




Hi, welcome to the pub, where less than 1% of threads have anything to do with mushroom growing.


Also you really can't bitch about people being bias and upset about your lifestyle if you are bias and upset about others. I'm sure you would agree it is one thing to say you do not agree... Going out of your way to label a harmless lifestyle as evil and insane is hypocritical, immature, and something I and other reasoned people should no agree with.

...and the Nazi's murdered millions of accused homosexuals. It doesn't matter if many were closet homosexuals. So are plenty of Christians. That doesn't mean they condone or support it or that homosexuality has anything to do with their organization. :facepalm: it's like you don't even try to make sense with your hypocrisy.




The nazis supposedly only killed effeminate gays. They identified with ancient greek warrior cultures like sparta and beleived it to be manly to have sex with prepubescent boys, but they despised, adult effeminate gays which were the millions they supposedly killed. This is according to the book so read it if you want a better understanding of their ideology. The reich was supposed to be a reinstitution of ancient germanic warrior kings, thats why wagner was all about camelot and parsival and all that shit. Part of this cultural revival included pagan hellenistic warrior ideology which included pederasty as a way to train young boys to be soldiers. This was the underlying structure for the hitler youth.




Pedophilia =/= homosexuality


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: koods]
    #23812676 - 11/08/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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True. You could be one of those hideous looking straight guys who think that gay men want to fuck you despite being smelly and fat. Trust me we don't








There is almost nothing effeminate about me but, I will fight for the rights of the queers, the drag queens, the transgendered people, the third gendereds, everyone.

All minorities, black white religious atheist orirentation, the works.

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    #23812677 - 11/08/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Because we didn't agree with his pathetically small world view.  His ego asserts he is too great to be wrong hence we are all bigots. Living life is so much easier when you are rightious.



You literally know nothing about my worldview. You now know something of my spiritual beliefs, although, not nearly everything about them. It sure is, and you are so righteous dude. Good job.


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    #23812679 - 11/08/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think theres a perception of transgendered hate on this forum because the most vocal trans member is simply fuckin annoying :shrug:




Partly I agree but again I've seen many comments, many repeated comments from certain members in particular, that cross a line.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] * 1
    #23812681 - 11/08/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...



Right here you are bitching about how beat up you get for being Christian and how if you are going to be beaten up over it you should be able to shit and firstly gays and then following your logic any other completely irrelevant subgroup of people.

That comes across and firstly you having a persecution complex and secondly being a bigot.

But wait let me guess that is just an example you don't actually hate gays, you just want the right to openly.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Asante]
    #23812685 - 11/08/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23812686 - 11/08/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think religion gets bashed on the internet because it's kind of easy to do, same with homosexuality.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Asante]
    #23812689 - 11/08/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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True. You could be one of those hideous looking straight guys who think that gay men want to fuck you despite being smelly and fat. Trust me we don't








There is almost nothing effeminate about me but, I will fight for the rights of the queers, the drag queens, the transgendered people, the third gendereds, everyone.

All minorities, black white religious atheist orirentation, the works.

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    #23812690 - 11/08/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:

What does loudly proclaiming your unorthodox and abnormal sexual preference, have to do with growing mushrooms as a hobby?

Cute stormfront comment, lol.

Nazis are just as offensive as trannies and homosexuals considering most of the nazi leadership believed in neo pagan hellenistic pederasty, and held meetings in berlin gay bars, as referenced in the book the pink swastica.




Hi, welcome to the pub, where less than 1% of threads have anything to do with mushroom growing.


Also you really can't bitch about people being bias and upset about your lifestyle if you are bias and upset about others. I'm sure you would agree it is one thing to say you do not agree... Going out of your way to label a harmless lifestyle as evil and insane is hypocritical, immature, and something I and other reasoned people should no agree with.

...and the Nazi's murdered millions of accused homosexuals. It doesn't matter if many were closet homosexuals. So are plenty of Christians. That doesn't mean they condone or support it or that homosexuality has anything to do with their organization. :facepalm: it's like you don't even try to make sense with your hypocrisy.




The nazis supposedly only killed effeminate gays. They identified with ancient greek warrior cultures like sparta and beleived it to be manly to have sex with prepubescent boys, but they despised, adult effeminate gays which were the millions they supposedly killed. This is according to the book so read it if you want a better understanding of their ideology. The reich was supposed to be a reinstitution of ancient germanic warrior kings, thats why wagner was all about camelot and parsival and all that shit. Part of this cultural revival included pagan hellenistic warrior ideology which included pederasty as a way to train young boys to be soldiers. This was the underlying structure for the hitler youth.




Pedophilia =/= homosexuality



While this may be true, in the case of the nazis it did, because they were the only ones allowed to survive, since they killed the other gays in the camps.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23812699 - 11/08/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Fine if you want to conclude that. Not fine that you equate modern homosexuals and transsexuals to the Nazis.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23812701 - 11/08/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...



Right here you are bitching about how beat up you get for being Christian and how if you are going to be beaten up over it you should be able to shit and firstly gays and then following your logic any other completely irrelevant subgroup of people.

That comes across and firstly you having a persecution complex and secondly being a bigot.

But wait let me guess that is just an example you don't actually hate gays, you just want the right to openly.




I never said I should be able to flame homosexuals. Can you read? Even the gay man got that I wasn't attacking homosexuals with my post. It was an example of another commonly discriminated against subgroup, against whom, hate speech is not tolerated here. Damn, you're dense.


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    #23812707 - 11/08/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Am I a bigot if that creature in the video makes me want to vomit?





Not at all its OK, its supposed to disturb you, even by the performing artist. The purpose is to shake you.

Be rocked.

Its OK.

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    #23812712 - 11/08/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Fine if you want to conclude that. Not fine that you equate modern homosexuals and transsexuals to the Nazis.



But the nazi leadership were documented homosexuals...


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    #23812716 - 11/08/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well most of the mods and admins are either gay or trans...



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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23812725 - 11/08/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And Catholic priests are well documented to often participate in pedophilia. Would it be okay or wise for me to equate all Christians, or even just Catholics, as pedophiles?


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    #23812729 - 11/08/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well most of the mods and admins are either gay or trans...



:nodofunderstanding: . . . :peace:



We have 1 trans mod and 2-3 gay mods that I know of...


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    #23812731 - 11/08/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Please stop reducing everything to Hitler and Pedophiles.

Be the change you want to see.

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    #23812738 - 11/08/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You are missing the point man


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    #23812739 - 11/08/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm just gonna leave this here.



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    #23812750 - 11/08/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not disputed anything you say about the Nazi's homosexual activity. I'm saying that you can't compare modern homosexuals to Nazis anymore than I can compare modern Christians to Nazis. Who were Christian.


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    #23812760 - 11/08/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You are missing the point man



The point is there is a heavy pro lgbt bias here, whch if you disagree with, it gets you banned, flamed and insulted, by people claiming they are tolerant, and open  minded.


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    #23812769 - 11/08/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You are missing the point man



The point is there is a heavy pro lgbt bias here, whch if you disagree with, it gets you banned, flamed and insulted, by people claiming they are tolerant, and open  minded.





We don't as much have a pro-LGBT bias here as a strong PRO OUTCAST bias.

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    #23812775 - 11/08/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You are missing the point man



The point is there is a heavy pro lgbt bias here, whch if you disagree with, it gets you banned, flamed and insulted, by people claiming they are tolerant, and open  minded.





We don't as much have a pro-LGBT bias here as a strong PRO OUTCAST bias.

If you hurt some of us you hurt many of us.



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    #23812776 - 11/08/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well most of the mods and admins are either gay or trans...



:nodofunderstanding: . . . :peace:



We have 1 trans mod and 2-3 gay mods that I know of...




I know of only one or two mods that arent gay or trans..


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23812783 - 11/08/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well if that was your point you didn't demonstrate it very well.


But if that is your point I will indulge it. You may be right. But as far as I've seen people have been free to argue about homosexuality being right or natural or disgusting or a mental illness just as they are free to argue those in religion. Just because one topic or another isn't well defended at one time or another doesn't mean it's because there's some sort of bais. Like I said if it were up to me alot of the disrespectful comments that get thrown about on any of these topics would be removed. But they are thrown around in all.


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    #23812809 - 11/08/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Now you just sound like a juggalo, lol





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    #23812813 - 11/08/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well if that was your point you didn't demonstrate it very well.


But if that is your point I will indulge it. You may be right. But as far as I've seen people have been free to argue about homosexuality being right or natural or disgusting or a mental illness just as they are free to argue those in religion. Just because one topic or another isn't well defended at one time or another doesn't mean it's because there's some sort of bais. Like I said if it were up to me alot of the disrespectful comments that get thrown about on any of these topics would be removed. But they are thrown around in all.



I agreed with op, who was making this point about the bias in mod enforcement of rules. Everything else i said was in response to the insults and names i was being called by other more open minded and tolerant posters than i, that lose their shit the second someone challenges their pc brainwashing and libtard sjw views.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23812819 - 11/08/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Religion doesn't exist, god doesn't exist, it's all just delusional thinking. That's why people bash it, because it's the same as believing in Santa Claus as an adult. The delusional thinking of religion has caused (and continues to cause) enormous amounts of suffering in the world.

Humanity needs to grow up and stop believing in make believe fairy tales, and that includes all of you. We can't just keep believing in pretend BS as a species for the rest of time. We need to grow up and confront the realities of the universe we actually live in.




:thefuckisthis: Good enough example?




that's not flaming
he's expressing why he disagrees with religious people, he isn't saying they should suffer, he's saying why he thinks religion is misguided and a problem to be addressed rather than ignored. Very different


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23812831 - 11/08/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You are missing the point man



The point is there is a heavy pro lgbt bias here, whch if you disagree with, it gets you banned, flamed and insulted, by people claiming they are tolerant, and open  minded.




there is a bias. You don't get banned for disagreeing with it. You get banned for hate speech and flaming. For example, if you say 'i think homosexuality is gross' that's not hate speech. If you make an argument why you're not ok with it, that won't get you banned. What WILL get you banned is using words like faggot in a derogatory manner, or claiming homosexuals are deviant disgusting creatures that ought to burn in hell, that will get you banned, as well it should.

similarly, it should be ok to express disagreement on religious and philosophical points, but it shouldn't be ok to tell people they deserve to suffer for their beliefs etc


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23812857 - 11/08/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

b]ReposadoXochipilli said:

Religious people get shit on because of the gruop the repersent... Just expect the rest of the world that is evolving to continue to ridicule you...

Dldr op and other people hate gays and think we should have a christ forum, because i am willing to bet both of you hate islam and say very negative things about it.




The world is devolving, not evolving. One day, you'll see what I am talking about.


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    #23812863 - 11/08/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The world is devolving, not evolving. One day, you'll see what I am talking about.




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    #23812866 - 11/08/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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b]ReposadoXochipilli said:

Religious people get shit on because of the gruop the repersent... Just expect the rest of the world that is evolving to continue to ridicule you...

Dldr op and other people hate gays and think we should have a christ forum, because i am willing to bet both of you hate islam and say very negative things about it.




The world is devolving, not evolving. One day, you'll see what I am talking about.




its more complex than that. To my mind, if the world is indeed devolving it's due to the decay of education systems, the abandonment of reason in said systems, in public life, in politics, and in the media, along with the ridiculous level of power controlled by mega corporations who in turn control politicians and dictate policy.

decay of traditional values is, I think, one of the few good things going on in this chaotic mix.

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    #23812871 - 11/08/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




If you dont like it dont post

That said, i agree. Perhaps everyone should just keep their mouths shut when it comes to religion.
Im not religious but i dont march around and piss in everyones pudding who is.




Religions are just ideas and if you can't criticize ideas then there is no hope for humanity. Political correctness is killing this country. Someone said that recently.


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    #23812878 - 11/08/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




If you dont like it dont post

That said, i agree. Perhaps everyone should just keep their mouths shut when it comes to religion.
Im not religious but i dont march around and piss in everyones pudding who is.




Religions are just ideas and if you can't criticize ideas then there is no hope for humanity. Political correctness is killing this country. Someone said that recently.




exactly, man it bugs me when people go on about their right not to have their opinion questioned. This is how we move forward as a species, pit ideas against one another, and ideas deemed to be illogical, inconsistent or harmful ought to be shown to be so, not protected in a bubble

it's funny how some folks are so incensed by 'safe spaces' and yet demand a safe space of their own. No safety for anyone I say! :popcorn:


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    #23812891 - 11/08/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not only do they want their safe spaces, they want tax free safe spaces.


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    #23812905 - 11/08/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Not only do they want their safe spaces, they want tax free safe spaces.




don't remind me of that nonsense, to think I started today in a good mood :mad2:


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    #23812908 - 11/08/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I love when a Muslim says "I believe totally in free speech, but you have no right to criticize Muhammed"


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    #23812912 - 11/08/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

As humanity decends into the age of technology they lose not only a part of themselves but also the connectedness of the whole.


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    #23812915 - 11/08/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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As humanity decends into the age of technology they lose not only a part of themselves but also the connectedness of the whole.




psh, sure that may have been happening, but its not necessary. If we could get power out of the hands of corporate shills I honestly think we would be better off, and more connected than ever before. Look at history, there have been no enlightened cultures in my view, it's been the same shit from the get-go.


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    #23812928 - 11/08/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Illogical is subjective.
For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories.
Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh?
Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23812934 - 11/08/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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As humanity decends into the age of technology they lose not only a part of themselves but also the connectedness of the whole.




psh, sure that may have been happening, but its not necessary. If we could get power out of the hands of corporate shills I honestly think we would be better off, and more connected than ever before. Look at history, there have been no enlightened cultures in my view, it's been the same shit from the get-go.



The difference between the old days and now is technology. It has created a pseudo-connectedness.


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    #23812964 - 11/08/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In a way. In another way it really does help people connect and get a feel for people they would never meet in person. The connection is more tangible. We may now see how what happens here effects what happens over there. It is more than a feeling.


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    #23812971 - 11/08/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




The door is right there.



:shrug: I now, at .6 posts a day, I sometimes leave for months at a time. I think 11 is the record. I'm nearing that point again, and you'll all still be here, bigoted as ever, when I come back with some silly question for the cult forum and start posting again.




Here's what I think your problem is:

1. You click the threads that you know you will hate
2. You take it too seriously
3. You get mad.

There are two ways to the this. The grown up way and the kids way

The Kids way is to ignore and hide the threads you don't like without reading them

The Grown up way is this:

1. You click the threads that you know you will hate
2. You take it as someone else's opinion that has experienced life differently than you have
3. You brush it off.
3.1: If you're a kid on the inside, you laugh at their stupidity.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: koods]
    #23812975 - 11/08/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Religions are just ideas and if you can't criticize ideas then there is no hope for humanity.




Theyre beliefs, just like gay folks believe they are attracted to the same sex, it's same principal..


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    #23812976 - 11/08/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Words on a screen is not connecting all the way. You are just connecting mentally. Sure you could send money to help out a cause but again, that is not connecting. You have to be there physically, mentally, and emotionally.


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    #23813014 - 11/08/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How far you take the connection is always up to you. You and the other. Likewise it's completely possible (and common) to be physically around people and even engaged with them but not connected to them.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] * 1
    #23813023 - 11/08/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Illogical is subjective.
For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories.
Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh?
Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.




actually no, logic is not subjective that's what makes it logic, and what makes it superior to intuitive reasoning.

logical arguments can appear subjective simply because they start with different premises, and often when people examine a statement to determine it's worth, they don't deconstruct it along logical lines, rather they apply an intuitive judgement (everyone is guilty of this because intuitive judgments are much faster and require less effort, it's simply unfeasible to examine every statement along the rigorous lines of reason)

your deconstruction of evolution and the emergence of life is logical according to some assumptions of yours, but examined, they prove faulty.

if you want I'll go into an exhaustive accounting of why your example is flawed:


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    #23813051 - 11/08/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Illogical is subjective.
For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories.
Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh?
Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.




here you go: any conception of the universe breaks down to 'we don't know' at some point. The fact is, we don't know why things exist at all, where they came from, or what purpose they might serve. Anyone claiming they 'know' is deluded, including pro-science types who propose their pet theory with religious intensity.

from the perspective of non-logical intuitive belief, any argument is as valid as any other. This means any conception of the cosmos, without the application of logic, is just as 'right' as your own. Whether there are five gods, two, one, whether god is male, female, indescribable and unknowable, embodied in all of us, a physical unicorn on a distant planet etc, are all equally valid and useless theories, for the same reason: they are based on nothing, can't be proven or disproved through exploration of the world, and so ought not to influence our behavior.

god or gods may well exist, I can't know, but if I set myself believing in one particular deity, to the exclusion of others, I'm doing myself a disservice. That deity has no more reason to exist than any other conception of god, and so by believing in one god so as to adore and appease him, I could potentially anger a multitude of others who are just as likely to exist or not exist. This alone makes adherence to a particular vision of god illogical, but there's even more wrong with this approach.

Since the human mind can generate theory of such dazzling complexity and variety, and so many conflicting ideologies have risen and fallen over millennium (and most are now dismissed off hand, despite being just as likely as the Christian or Muslim conceptions), it becomes obvious most theories are false. If your own theory is not built upon observation and verifiable logic -and thus a provisional model that can adapt to new information rather than dogmatic- it is most likely false, and you then are wasting your time believing in it and letting it affect your decision making.
This is why the principle of Occam's razor is so important: the more assumptions one has to make in order for a theory to work, the less likely the theory is to be accurate, when it comes to a shortage of observable facts.

If you argue that god made the universe, it is therefore less logical than saying 'the universe just is'. Neither theory is very satisfying, but the second, being simpler in its assumptions, is more logical.

If you pursue with the 'there must be a god or how would the universe exist', you must then ask 'well if there is a god, where did it come from, and why does it exist?'. In either case it boils down to: no one knows.

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    #23813055 - 11/08/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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As humanity decends into the age of technology they lose not only a part of themselves but also the connectedness of the whole.




psh, sure that may have been happening, but its not necessary. If we could get power out of the hands of corporate shills I honestly think we would be better off, and more connected than ever before. Look at history, there have been no enlightened cultures in my view, it's been the same shit from the get-go.



The difference between the old days and now is technology. It has created a pseudo-connectedness.



sure, but that doesn't mean we can't have a connection to one another an to nature -and whatever spiritual forces may or may not be at work. It's not technology it's the misuse of technology by corporate overlords that is ruining us. Technology is just a tool, it's up to us how we use it.


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    #23813095 - 11/08/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23813101 - 11/08/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




well flaming religious folks is all well and good, but I must point out there is a world of difference between being religious and being a homosexual.

1. being gay is not a choice as I understand it.
2. gayness is not an ideology that puts forth unfounded arguments about the nature and purpose of reality, or clings to certain principles of morality

while insulting religious people offhand is no good, challenging their poorly defended and reasoned beliefs is I think, a duty in the service of mankind and the preservation of logical discourse in the face of base emotional wishful thinking, and I would not be surprised if you've run into either of these, you've got every right to complain about the former and none to whine about the latter




The problem I have with religious criticisms like these, is that while the criticisms are valid, the people who make them often hold equally irrational and absurd views based on their experiences with drugs.


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    #23813118 - 11/08/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Are you saying there are people who do drugs here?  :shocked:  My pastor would frown on that.  He is gonna molest me so hard if he finds out.


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    #23813138 - 11/08/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with you, the pro faggotry and tranny bias in this forum is out of control, considering they are less than one percent of the population.





Cant disagree there

Shit you even mention "God" and it triggers a shitstorm and everyone assumes you are talking about the God they picture in their head


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    #23813155 - 11/08/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity :banbanban:, but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...




well flaming religious folks is all well and good, but I must point out there is a world of difference between being religious and being a homosexual.

1. being gay is not a choice as I understand it.
2. gayness is not an ideology that puts forth unfounded arguments about the nature and purpose of reality, or clings to certain principles of morality

while insulting religious people offhand is no good, challenging their poorly defended and reasoned beliefs is I think, a duty in the service of mankind and the preservation of logical discourse in the face of base emotional wishful thinking, and I would not be surprised if you've run into either of these, you've got every right to complain about the former and none to whine about the latter




The problem I have with religious criticisms like these, is that while the criticisms are valid, the people who make them often hold equally irrational and absurd views based on their experiences with drugs.




often, in my case though I don't really have any beliefs based on my drug experiences, except my love of logic was kind of born from them, as I realized given the craziness of reality and the human mind, logic is the only way of keeping myself in check

my psychedelic conclusions almost seem the opposite to most, in that they affirm for me the value of philosophy, the fickleness of experience and belief, and the absurd nature of reality, and of positing meaning within such a reality


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    #23813164 - 11/08/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I mean what really used to get my goat is that there is a written anti-racist policy in the description of the pub (edit- oh wait I guess it is gone now, have at it racists), yet there are racists like qman and webster who have persisted for years.  That made me hate this place for a while.  I think in the end as long as you are an established poster and aren't melting all over the place you can pretty much get away with any sorts of opinions, which I guess is the way it should be in the end.


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    #23813167 - 11/08/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was speaking generally, not specifically about you.  Although you probably understood that.


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    #23813172 - 11/08/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

that's all very true


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    #23813177 - 11/08/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I was speaking generally, not specifically about you.  Although you probably understood that.




ya, you're quite right though one of the dangers of logic is that humans as emotional beings, will often think they are being logical when they are in fact not, which is why debate and argumentation are always valid and necessary

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    #23813210 - 11/08/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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As humanity decends into the age of technology they lose not only a part of themselves but also the connectedness of the whole.



I would say it is changing human interaction as a whole. There is no use fighting it, it's here, and it will only increase/mutate into something more.

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Illogical is subjective.
For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories.
Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh?
Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.




here you go: any conception of the universe breaks down to 'we don't know' at some point. The fact is, we don't know why things exist at all, where they came from, or what purpose they might serve. Anyone claiming they 'know' is deluded, including pro-science types who propose their pet theory with religious intensity.

from the perspective of non-logical intuitive belief, any argument is as valid as any other. This means any conception of the cosmos, without the application of logic, is just as 'right' as your own. Whether there are five gods, two, one, whether god is male, female, indescribable and unknowable, embodied in all of us, a physical unicorn on a distant planet etc, are all equally valid and useless theories, for the same reason: they are based on nothing, can't be proven or disproved through exploration of the world, and so ought not to influence our behavior.

god or gods may well exist, I can't know, but if I set myself believing in one particular deity, to the exclusion of others, I'm doing myself a disservice. That deity has no more reason to exist than any other conception of god, and so by believing in one god so as to adore and appease him, I could potentially anger a multitude of others who are just as likely to exist or not exist. This alone makes adherence to a particular vision of god illogical, but there's even more wrong with this approach.

Since the human mind can generate theory of such dazzling complexity and variety, and so many conflicting ideologies have risen and fallen over millennium (and most are now dismissed off hand, despite being just as likely as the Christian or Muslim conceptions), it becomes obvious most theories are false. If your own theory is not built upon observation and verifiable logic -and thus a provisional model that can adapt to new information rather than dogmatic- it is most likely false, and you then are wasting your time believing in it and letting it affect your decision making.
This is why the principle of Occam's razor is so important: the more assumptions one has to make in order for a theory to work, the less likely the theory is to be accurate, when it comes to a shortage of observable facts.

If you argue that god made the universe, it is therefore less logical than saying 'the universe just is'. Neither theory is very satisfying, but the second, being simpler in its assumptions, is more logical.

If you pursue with the 'there must be a god or how would the universe exist', you must then ask 'well if there is a god, where did it come from, and why does it exist?'. In either case it boils down to: no one knows.

Ya see?



Interesting POV, I like it. I like your posts.:grin:

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How far you take the connection is always up to you. You and the other. Likewise it's completely possible (and common) to be physically around people and even engaged with them but not connected to them.



I like how you seem to look at many facets of a situation and even if you disagree with them you can still discuss it logically. I like your posts too.:grin:



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Illogical is subjective.
For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories.
Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh?
Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.



You are very young still and have a lot more growing to do mentally. Sometimes peoples view(s) change after living longer. I don't think I would want to meet the 22yo me, I'm not sure, but it might be interesting. There are 4 major topics in the USA, gays, god, guns, and ganja. These are never ending arguments/discussions. Participate when you like, but don't get too offended when someone says something offensive, especially online. I have gotten pretty heated up before and realized I was being silly for letting an online persona get to me! LOL! This was when I first got into forums and didn't really know how they could be. This is my favorite place to waste time. Maybe you should frequent other places in here for a while.:shrug: Don't hate, appreciate, elevate, and try not to hate:nursemaryjane:!

Just for the record I'd like to say I have never flamed (maybe I have, IDK:shrug:) or gotten banned for flaming, and I hope no one misconstrued any posts I have made as flaming/insulting etc...


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23813244 - 11/08/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I mean what really used to get my goat is that there is a written anti-racist policy in the description of the pub (edit- oh wait I guess it is gone now, have at it racists), yet there are racists like qman and webster who have persisted for years.  That made me hate this place for a while.  I think in the end as long as you are an established poster and aren't melting all over the place you can pretty much get away with any sorts of opinions, which I guess is the way it should be in the end.




"racists like qman"

More like yourself.

"get away with any sorts of opinions"

Yeah, that's what people with open minds support, why you even question that process is very telling.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: qman]
    #23813255 - 11/08/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I more questioned the fact that at the time there was a written policy against racism.  I wouldn't have made an issue if I didn't see letting that slide as being a cognizant overlooking of the written anti-racist standing.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
    #23814489 - 11/08/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Illogical is subjective.
For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories.
Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh?
Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.




here you go: any conception of the universe breaks down to 'we don't know' at some point. The fact is, we don't know why things exist at all, where they came from, or what purpose they might serve. Anyone claiming they 'know' is deluded, including pro-science types who propose their pet theory with religious intensity.

from the perspective of non-logical intuitive belief, any argument is as valid as any other. This means any conception of the cosmos, without the application of logic, is just as 'right' as your own. Whether there are five gods, two, one, whether god is male, female, indescribable and unknowable, embodied in all of us, a physical unicorn on a distant planet etc, are all equally valid and useless theories, for the same reason: they are based on nothing, can't be proven or disproved through exploration of the world, and so ought not to influence our behavior.

god or gods may well exist, I can't know, but if I set myself believing in one particular deity, to the exclusion of others, I'm doing myself a disservice. That deity has no more reason to exist than any other conception of god, and so by believing in one god so as to adore and appease him, I could potentially anger a multitude of others who are just as likely to exist or not exist. This alone makes adherence to a particular vision of god illogical, but there's even more wrong with this approach.

Since the human mind can generate theory of such dazzling complexity and variety, and so many conflicting ideologies have risen and fallen over millennium (and most are now dismissed off hand, despite being just as likely as the Christian or Muslim conceptions), it becomes obvious most theories are false. If your own theory is not built upon observation and verifiable logic -and thus a provisional model that can adapt to new information rather than dogmatic- it is most likely false, and you then are wasting your time believing in it and letting it affect your decision making.
This is why the principle of Occam's razor is so important: the more assumptions one has to make in order for a theory to work, the less likely the theory is to be accurate, when it comes to a shortage of observable facts.

If you argue that god made the universe, it is therefore less logical than saying 'the universe just is'. Neither theory is very satisfying, but the second, being simpler in its assumptions, is more logical.

If you pursue with the 'there must be a god or how would the universe exist', you must then ask 'well if there is a god, where did it come from, and why does it exist?'. In either case it boils down to: no one knows.

Ya see?




I see. You haven't disproven anything to me though.
1. You never did anything to show why I am illogical for discounting evolution. I am right. The beginnings are not accounted for by evolution. Science can not answer my question.

2.. You're right, every theory boils down to, "we don't really know". That's the point, religion can't be disproven. Science can't be proven. It's all speculation based on the word of other human beings. That said, I know in my heart.
3. While I follow the Christian religion, I happen to believe that the deities in most world religions are one and the same, and that the religious texts of the varied religions are simply , slightly different interpretations of the same thing.

So, yes, I am a Christian, but to me that means I have chosen to follow a particular understanding of a god which is different from the understanding others have of the same god. See how the whole portion of your argument regarding discounting one religion while following another, does not apply here. I do not ever criticize others based on their religious view, or discount their beliefs.

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    #23814533 - 11/08/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:You are very young still and have a lot more growing to do mentally. Sometimes peoples view(s) change after living longer. I don't think I would want to meet the 22yo me, I'm not sure, but it might be interesting.





Well, for one thing, you severely underestimate my age. While you may be older, I don't see how it's relevant.
As far as changing points of view, I agree with you! :grin: They certainly do. I, for instance, was once an atheist. Crazy, huh? I was young and naïve back then, following popular culture (and atheism is what's popular) blindly. Then, I grew, I learned, I experienced many things (including things you will never experience, just as you have experienced things that I never will), I had children and raised them, I buried people close to me, and I changed.
For you to tell me that I am young and will change is silly. :lol: You don't even know me.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23814559 - 11/08/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If one can believe that "God" was just there in the beginning, it's really not a big stretch from that to believing an organism was just there.

The beginning/end is a human concept. maybe there doesn't have to be a beginning.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
    #23814580 - 11/08/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:You are very young still and have a lot more growing to do mentally. Sometimes peoples view(s) change after living longer. I don't think I would want to meet the 22yo me, I'm not sure, but it might be interesting.





Well, for one thing, you severely underestimate my age. While you may be older, I don't see how it's relevant.
As far as changing points of view, I agree with you! :grin: They certainly do. I, for instance, was once an atheist. Crazy, huh? I was young and naïve back then, following popular culture (and atheism is what's popular) blindly. Then, I grew, I learned, I experienced many things (including things you will never experience, just as you have experienced things that I never will), I had children and raised them, I buried people close to me, and I changed.
For you to tell me that I am young and will change is silly. :lol: You don't even know me.



I apologize, I thought you stated you were only 22. I also agree with the answer you gave ezuma, this is what debating/discussing is all about. :grin: (I'm agnostic leaning towards the gaia earth theory, and that is "god" to me) Congratulations on your accomplishments! :grin:


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: mycoprog]
    #23814627 - 11/08/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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mycoprog said:
If one can believe that "God" was just there in the beginning, it's really not a big stretch from that to believing an organism was just there.

The beginning/end is a human concept. maybe there doesn't have to be a beginning.




Yes yes, that is my point. If a single celled organism could just spring into existence, then why not god? Why so vehemently attack something you have no proof against? Fear?
It's silly and not in line with the supposed values of the community.


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    #23823893 - 11/11/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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greencrush420 said:
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Ezuma said:
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greencrush420 said:
Illogical is subjective.
For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories.
Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh?
Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.




here you go: any conception of the universe breaks down to 'we don't know' at some point. The fact is, we don't know why things exist at all, where they came from, or what purpose they might serve. Anyone claiming they 'know' is deluded, including pro-science types who propose their pet theory with religious intensity.

from the perspective of non-logical intuitive belief, any argument is as valid as any other. This means any conception of the cosmos, without the application of logic, is just as 'right' as your own. Whether there are five gods, two, one, whether god is male, female, indescribable and unknowable, embodied in all of us, a physical unicorn on a distant planet etc, are all equally valid and useless theories, for the same reason: they are based on nothing, can't be proven or disproved through exploration of the world, and so ought not to influence our behavior.

god or gods may well exist, I can't know, but if I set myself believing in one particular deity, to the exclusion of others, I'm doing myself a disservice. That deity has no more reason to exist than any other conception of god, and so by believing in one god so as to adore and appease him, I could potentially anger a multitude of others who are just as likely to exist or not exist. This alone makes adherence to a particular vision of god illogical, but there's even more wrong with this approach.

Since the human mind can generate theory of such dazzling complexity and variety, and so many conflicting ideologies have risen and fallen over millennium (and most are now dismissed off hand, despite being just as likely as the Christian or Muslim conceptions), it becomes obvious most theories are false. If your own theory is not built upon observation and verifiable logic -and thus a provisional model that can adapt to new information rather than dogmatic- it is most likely false, and you then are wasting your time believing in it and letting it affect your decision making.
This is why the principle of Occam's razor is so important: the more assumptions one has to make in order for a theory to work, the less likely the theory is to be accurate, when it comes to a shortage of observable facts.

If you argue that god made the universe, it is therefore less logical than saying 'the universe just is'. Neither theory is very satisfying, but the second, being simpler in its assumptions, is more logical.

If you pursue with the 'there must be a god or how would the universe exist', you must then ask 'well if there is a god, where did it come from, and why does it exist?'. In either case it boils down to: no one knows.

Ya see?




I see. You haven't disproven anything to me though.
1. You never did anything to show why I am illogical for discounting evolution. I am right. The beginnings are not accounted for by evolution. Science can not answer my question.

2.. You're right, every theory boils down to, "we don't really know". That's the point, religion can't be disproven. Science can't be proven. It's all speculation based on the word of other human beings. That said, I know in my heart.
3. While I follow the Christian religion, I happen to believe that the deities in most world religions are one and the same, and that the religious texts of the varied religions are simply , slightly different interpretations of the same thing.

So, yes, I am a Christian, but to me that means I have chosen to follow a particular understanding of a god which is different from the understanding others have of the same god. See how the whole portion of your argument regarding discounting one religion while following another, does not apply here. I do not ever criticize others based on their religious view, or discount their beliefs.

Namaste, we are one. It's in my sig.




I know I'm late to the party but just noticed you replied so here goes:
1. Evolution is demosntrable through logical observation. It does not explain the universe, nor is it supposed to, it's merely a theory attempting to explain why species transform into other species, over long periods of time, it does nothing to explain why, or where the leap from dead matter to life came in. For sure, if there is a divine spark, it could be present at that moment. We don't however, know what sort of spark, why it existed, if it is still active or aone time phenomenon, etc, so it is illogical to make judgement on it's intent and character, based on scant information. (I don't discount the divine offhand, so much as say I'm fairly sure something is going on somewhere in this process, but I don't have enough information to tell you what that is, so it's best not to throw your chips in).

2. Therein lies the problem, and the value of science. Since it is so hard to know truth, after all, different people feel very strongly, in their heart of hearts, that different things -conflicting things- are true. These ideas, when grounded enough in observable facts, can be proven false, definitively. A scientific theory can be demonstrated to be mostly likely true, and that's the best we've got, but it's a whole lot better than going on hunches. The value of logic and scientific approaches is that it's ideas can be changed, and are clearly defined to the point they can be tested and disproven. That small detail, make's all the difference between speculative and baseless fantasy -even if by chance some of it may be true- and an effective but provisional world model.

3. Sure, many think something like that, I'm inclined to agree to an extent, that all religions have at their center a really true spark, an experience which is translated -and mistranslated, and stretched to fit fickle human conceptions and pre-existing assumptions so that we ended up with the smorgasbord of religions we have today. In my view, science can also be seen as another expression of fascination with this inspiring central 'something'. I actually feel certain a lot of scientific thinking is wrong, or over-simplistic and missing an awful lot of context. However, by their nature, these theories have more rigor and more observable, testable integrity than any theology. Which isn't to say religious and spiritual beliefs have no value, far from it, but that they must be recognized as personal, fallible, and not as good a basis for achieving results in interaction with the external world, and society. Even your conception, that all these beliefs are the same, or referencing the same core, may well be true, but it in itself is another belief, not universally held by any means, and in asserting you must always provide proof (even though I suspect you are right myself)

ultimately I don't know if we disagree on as much as it first seemed, unless I am greatly mistaken.


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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: zZZz]
    #23823906 - 11/11/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Religions are just ideas and if you can't criticize ideas then there is no hope for humanity.




Theyre beliefs, just like gay folks believe they are attracted to the same sex, it's same principal..



Belief has nothing to do with attraction. :facepalm:


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    #23823960 - 11/11/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i would literally say fucking piss on christ's face and shit on the cross and blessed whore and the bastard son.

but then i might get banned.


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