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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: koods] 1
#23812878 - 11/08/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity , but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...
If you dont like it dont post
That said, i agree. Perhaps everyone should just keep their mouths shut when it comes to religion. Im not religious but i dont march around and piss in everyones pudding who is.
Religions are just ideas and if you can't criticize ideas then there is no hope for humanity. Political correctness is killing this country. Someone said that recently.
exactly, man it bugs me when people go on about their right not to have their opinion questioned. This is how we move forward as a species, pit ideas against one another, and ideas deemed to be illogical, inconsistent or harmful ought to be shown to be so, not protected in a bubble
it's funny how some folks are so incensed by 'safe spaces' and yet demand a safe space of their own. No safety for anyone I say!
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma] 1
#23812891 - 11/08/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not only do they want their safe spaces, they want tax free safe spaces.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: koods] 1
#23812905 - 11/08/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Not only do they want their safe spaces, they want tax free safe spaces.
don't remind me of that nonsense, to think I started today in a good mood
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: koods] 1
#23812908 - 11/08/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love when a Muslim says "I believe totally in free speech, but you have no right to criticize Muhammed"
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
#23812912 - 11/08/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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As humanity decends into the age of technology they lose not only a part of themselves but also the connectedness of the whole.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#23812915 - 11/08/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: As humanity decends into the age of technology they lose not only a part of themselves but also the connectedness of the whole.
psh, sure that may have been happening, but its not necessary. If we could get power out of the hands of corporate shills I honestly think we would be better off, and more connected than ever before. Look at history, there have been no enlightened cultures in my view, it's been the same shit from the get-go.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma] 1
#23812928 - 11/08/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illogical is subjective. For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories. Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh? Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
#23812934 - 11/08/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: As humanity decends into the age of technology they lose not only a part of themselves but also the connectedness of the whole.
psh, sure that may have been happening, but its not necessary. If we could get power out of the hands of corporate shills I honestly think we would be better off, and more connected than ever before. Look at history, there have been no enlightened cultures in my view, it's been the same shit from the get-go.
The difference between the old days and now is technology. It has created a pseudo-connectedness.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23812964 - 11/08/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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In a way. In another way it really does help people connect and get a feel for people they would never meet in person. The connection is more tangible. We may now see how what happens here effects what happens over there. It is more than a feeling.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23812971 - 11/08/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity , but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...
The door is right there.
I now, at .6 posts a day, I sometimes leave for months at a time. I think 11 is the record. I'm nearing that point again, and you'll all still be here, bigoted as ever, when I come back with some silly question for the cult forum and start posting again.
Here's what I think your problem is:
1. You click the threads that you know you will hate 2. You take it too seriously 3. You get mad.
There are two ways to the this. The grown up way and the kids way
The Kids way is to ignore and hide the threads you don't like without reading them
The Grown up way is this:
1. You click the threads that you know you will hate 2. You take it as someone else's opinion that has experienced life differently than you have 3. You brush it off. 3.1: If you're a kid on the inside, you laugh at their stupidity.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: koods]
#23812975 - 11/08/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Religions are just ideas and if you can't criticize ideas then there is no hope for humanity.
Theyre beliefs, just like gay folks believe they are attracted to the same sex, it's same principal..
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23812976 - 11/08/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Words on a screen is not connecting all the way. You are just connecting mentally. Sure you could send money to help out a cause but again, that is not connecting. You have to be there physically, mentally, and emotionally.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23813014 - 11/08/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How far you take the connection is always up to you. You and the other. Likewise it's completely possible (and common) to be physically around people and even engaged with them but not connected to them.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] 1
#23813023 - 11/08/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: Illogical is subjective. For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories. Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh? Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.
actually no, logic is not subjective that's what makes it logic, and what makes it superior to intuitive reasoning.
logical arguments can appear subjective simply because they start with different premises, and often when people examine a statement to determine it's worth, they don't deconstruct it along logical lines, rather they apply an intuitive judgement (everyone is guilty of this because intuitive judgments are much faster and require less effort, it's simply unfeasible to examine every statement along the rigorous lines of reason)
your deconstruction of evolution and the emergence of life is logical according to some assumptions of yours, but examined, they prove faulty.
if you want I'll go into an exhaustive accounting of why your example is flawed:
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420] 1
#23813051 - 11/08/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: Illogical is subjective. For instance, to me, it is illogical to postulate that all life evolved from a single,, self replicating, genetic code containing cell, and that this theory disproves all religion and all creation theories. Why? Well, from whence came this almighty, self-replicating, evolving, genetic code containing cell? Where the hell did this first cell that everyone is always babbling about come from? Oh, it just sprang into being, huh? Just like that "wacko" story in the Bible, huh? Funny how the thing that is supposed to be a flaw in my belief, is supposed to be a strength in yours. Quite the paradox.
here you go: any conception of the universe breaks down to 'we don't know' at some point. The fact is, we don't know why things exist at all, where they came from, or what purpose they might serve. Anyone claiming they 'know' is deluded, including pro-science types who propose their pet theory with religious intensity.
from the perspective of non-logical intuitive belief, any argument is as valid as any other. This means any conception of the cosmos, without the application of logic, is just as 'right' as your own. Whether there are five gods, two, one, whether god is male, female, indescribable and unknowable, embodied in all of us, a physical unicorn on a distant planet etc, are all equally valid and useless theories, for the same reason: they are based on nothing, can't be proven or disproved through exploration of the world, and so ought not to influence our behavior.
god or gods may well exist, I can't know, but if I set myself believing in one particular deity, to the exclusion of others, I'm doing myself a disservice. That deity has no more reason to exist than any other conception of god, and so by believing in one god so as to adore and appease him, I could potentially anger a multitude of others who are just as likely to exist or not exist. This alone makes adherence to a particular vision of god illogical, but there's even more wrong with this approach.
Since the human mind can generate theory of such dazzling complexity and variety, and so many conflicting ideologies have risen and fallen over millennium (and most are now dismissed off hand, despite being just as likely as the Christian or Muslim conceptions), it becomes obvious most theories are false. If your own theory is not built upon observation and verifiable logic -and thus a provisional model that can adapt to new information rather than dogmatic- it is most likely false, and you then are wasting your time believing in it and letting it affect your decision making. This is why the principle of Occam's razor is so important: the more assumptions one has to make in order for a theory to work, the less likely the theory is to be accurate, when it comes to a shortage of observable facts.
If you argue that god made the universe, it is therefore less logical than saying 'the universe just is'. Neither theory is very satisfying, but the second, being simpler in its assumptions, is more logical.
If you pursue with the 'there must be a god or how would the universe exist', you must then ask 'well if there is a god, where did it come from, and why does it exist?'. In either case it boils down to: no one knows.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23813055 - 11/08/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: As humanity decends into the age of technology they lose not only a part of themselves but also the connectedness of the whole.
psh, sure that may have been happening, but its not necessary. If we could get power out of the hands of corporate shills I honestly think we would be better off, and more connected than ever before. Look at history, there have been no enlightened cultures in my view, it's been the same shit from the get-go.
The difference between the old days and now is technology. It has created a pseudo-connectedness.
sure, but that doesn't mean we can't have a connection to one another an to nature -and whatever spiritual forces may or may not be at work. It's not technology it's the misuse of technology by corporate overlords that is ruining us. Technology is just a tool, it's up to us how we use it.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: greencrush420]
#23813095 - 11/08/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: Ezuma]
#23813101 - 11/08/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: The constant flaming anyone who is religious is the #1 reason why. Every "Religious people are stupid" post about sends me over the edge. If I said, "homosexuals are abominations and will burn in hell", it would be an atrocity , but call a religious person a mentally incompetent lunatic, and that's fine. How hypocritical...
well flaming religious folks is all well and good, but I must point out there is a world of difference between being religious and being a homosexual.
1. being gay is not a choice as I understand it. 2. gayness is not an ideology that puts forth unfounded arguments about the nature and purpose of reality, or clings to certain principles of morality
while insulting religious people offhand is no good, challenging their poorly defended and reasoned beliefs is I think, a duty in the service of mankind and the preservation of logical discourse in the face of base emotional wishful thinking, and I would not be surprised if you've run into either of these, you've got every right to complain about the former and none to whine about the latter
The problem I have with religious criticisms like these, is that while the criticisms are valid, the people who make them often hold equally irrational and absurd views based on their experiences with drugs.
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Are you saying there are people who do drugs here? My pastor would frown on that. He is gonna molest me so hard if he finds out.
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Re: I have truly grown to hate this forum. [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
#23813138 - 11/08/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rickpsfuckyou said: I agree with you, the pro faggotry and tranny bias in this forum is out of control, considering they are less than one percent of the population.
Cant disagree there
Shit you even mention "God" and it triggers a shitstorm and everyone assumes you are talking about the God they picture in their head
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